Salvage: Zhayolm Remnants

[Antithesis]

Maybe there's something obvious were missing. Maybe we could get a clue as to how and why 5th floor Madame pops by looking at how the previous ones had poped. 2cd floor Madame is poped by trading X amount of cells to the socket in the 2cd floor. 3rd floor Madame's are poped by killing wave's of Mamool Ja's and 1 Archaic Rampart to spawn a Madame. One drops armor the other drops cells. 4th floor madame's are time based on a 30 minute timer. That just leave's us with the 5th floor Madame's. In my opinion either both 5th floor Madame's must drop sub-armor pieces in order for there not to be a 6th floor madame seeing as the last two floors are the only floors in zhayolm that aren split up where if you take one path you cant use the other. Or there could be a 6th floor Madame though I doubt it. But seeing as how the Archaic Chariot enemy in the 6th floor is the only enemy present at the time of entering and doesnt aggro unless engaged maybe the Madame COULD possibly pop somewhere here. Although I have my doubts seeing as how the patern sets 1 of the two Madame's on a floor drops cells while the other sub-armors there is the possiblity of the 6th floor one.

[Keider]

Anyone consider if simply aggroing certain mobs is part of the requirement, similar to how aggroing the 6th Floor Chariot causes all the gears to spawn? I only suggest this due to the cases where it wouldn't be up until someone goes and pulls some gears or flees past everything to the teleporter.

[alphacat]

One quick question, is there another way of doing 6F than sacing? I'm really tired of dying to the damn chariot just to pop the gears.

[Kaylia]

One quick question, is there another way of doing 6F than sacing? I'm really tired of dying to the damn chariot just to pop the gears.

Never done it like that, but you could probably pull on the side getting a single Gears to link. If your party is able to handle both at the same time, I guess you could do it without dying.

[Arthars]

gears at zhalyom either seem to be super high resistant to sleep, or our rdm sucks lol

and also correction to my bhaflau thread.........

GEARS HAVE HUGE AGGRO + LINK SIGHT WITH ANY WEATHER IN EFFECT..............

used to thought only wind weather >.>

take care of pulling(u will aggro prolly) on earth weather in zhalyom :O

[Kaylia]

Gears can't be slept afaik. Never seen one land, and rdm/brd try everytime (and die most of the time when voke is down..)

[Almalexia]

gears at zhalyom either seem to be super high resistant to sleep, or our rdm sucks lol

The only Zhayolm gears immune to to sleep are the 8 that assist the chariot on the 5th floor, and every gear on the 6th floor. The rest in the zone can sleep without a fuss.

take care of pulling(u will aggro prolly) on earth weather in zhalyom :O

A while ago, I was skeptical that you could walk along the edge of the room to avoid gears on the 5th floor. In recent runs I have done it without fail, but today the things had huge aggro range!

I died twice trying to get across the first room out of the portal because the gears were behaving so strangely. The whole room linked when I barely crossed the doorway. I made it through fine on the third attempt, and while I hadn't been paying attention to the weather, I am curious about whether (pun-tended) that really affects their detection radius.

[Julian]

Chariot can be pulled without links. (6F)

[divisortheory]

Chariot can be pulled without links. (6F)

It's mostly luck though, unless you want to stand around for an hour waiting for it to move to a good spot. The second you pull it all the gears pop around it, and they will all link instantly when the chariot walks into their line of sight. The only way to pull without link is for it to be near the very edge of the gears' roaming path, then pull and hope that the gears aren't also near the very edge fo their roaming path when they pop. The safest way is to just carby pull it and kill the chariot first.

[alphacat]

Problem with killing the chariot first is that there really isn't enough space in that little indent in the south to fight the chariot. Basically if you fight him there, everyone would be in range of the chariot's AoE.

[divisortheory]

Pull him the other direction and fight it next to the Rampart, which doesn't aggro.

[Hanyoko]

Something else about the madame, what if it could also spawn as a result of someone dying? There are other mobs (mostly lamia/merrow) that spawn under those conditions; so the necessary coding is present.

Its a speculation based on the one individuals run where he sac'd to the porter door, reraise, widescanned and saw it. Were there player deaths on previous runs which had it spawn?

[Arthars]

yea those gears i mentioned about resistant to sleep r those at 6F >.> sorry if i didnt state clearly

and i can almost confirm gears aggro and link wider sight during weather

[alphacat]

Pull him the other direction and fight it next to the Rampart, which doesn't aggro.

Hmm that actually sounds good. I guess we'll camp in the rampart room then.

Also, I thought of maybe having the smn send carby on it and have him dc while carby is fighting. Worth a try.

[Shadida]

The 6F ramparts don't aggro? Most ramparts I've come across do. Is that unique to that floor or are there other cases I've just not encountered or can't recall?

[divisortheory]

The 6F ramparts don't aggro? Most ramparts I've come across do. Is that unique to that floor or are there other cases I've just not encountered or can't recall?

They definitely don't aggro here. The ones on the 5th floor near in the madame room don't either, nor do the 4th floor ramparts in Zhayolm. Not sure about 5F rampart in the gear room, or 3rd floor ramparts.

[Shadida]

Ah - you're right about the 5F ones, I knew that.

[Sagacious Sundi]

I was digging through the thread and found somewhat interesting things:

Three Madames listed before any of the 4th Floor mobs, all 3 Madames have been located (Socket, 3F South, 3F North). Appears to be that Madames with cells (Socket, 3F South) are listed at the top of the floor while Madames with armor (3F North, all the rest) are listed at the bottom.

Don't have any screenshots since I wasn't on this run, but one of my other LS' teams did zhayolm on saturday night and I just now found out they fought and killed Madame on 5th floor South. It popped in the same room Qiqirn Astrologer pops in from Arrapago. The info I have is somewhat lacking in detail since I don't think anyone on the run even realized what was happening since Muteki was following info from some JP forums he had and expected it to just be up and it was.

They aimed to spend the following time on each floor only to pop the 5th floor South Madame and kill the boss.

15>15>10>10>10>20>20mins

Muteki's english isn't the best but I think I am getting this correct. They would farm mobs on each floor up until the exact window was reached and warp up immediately so they didn't exceed the times listed above. Of course the side effect of those short times is they didnt kill any Frogs on 1st floor or 4th floor. They didn't kill any mamools on 1st floor but did kill some on later floor for HP/MP cells. Madame dropped nothing(big shock) and a chest with lots of meds.

The first one also applies to Jakko, but does not apply to 5F chariots, which leads me to believe that they don't drop gears (that's not to say stop trying), but maybe involved in 6F's popping.

[divisortheory]

Looking at the Arrapago thread I had a little light bulb flash go off with regards to Poroggo Madames. It seems that in every zone there is one "weird" or "hard" condition that is significantly more difficult than the rest, both to discover and to pull off successfully. I listed these out.

Silver Sea: Kill the rampart to pop Citadel Chelonian
Arrapago: Destroy all Archaic Machinery in the zone
Bhaflau: Kill all Archaic Gear on 6th floor without aggro
Zhayolm: ???

Putting these together, something hit me instantly. These map directly to objectives in Nyzul Isle assault.

Silver Sea: Eliminate enemy leader (the rampart that CC spawns from is the leader)
Arrapago: Eliminate specified enemies (archaic machinery or ramparts)
Bhaflau: Eliminate specified enemies, avoid discovery by archaic gears! (Note that just like in Bhaflau Remnants, in Nyzul Isle assault pulling a gear with ranged attack does not count as aggro).

Am I overanalyzing, or am I onto something?

[Sagacious Sundi]

Zhayolm: Eliminate specified enemy? Do not destroy archaic gears? (The latter would probably be a secondary objective.)

Fitting your idea that there is a certain monster that triggers it or something. Also note that all of these are on the penultimate floors.