Salvage: Zhayolm Remnants

[Marinka]

Thought I'd contribute to the pool of knowledge from our run tonight in ZR.

Highlights:

•Popped 4th Floor South madame at 27 minutes, no 5th or 6th floor madames up.
•Mamool Kill Count: 10
•Killed Correct 4th floor rampart to port to 5th, no reinforcement summoned.

Entered Lightningsday, Waxing Crescent, 12 people in attendance

1st Floor:

Killed all enemies in four central rooms. (16)
Killed NE Mamool and looted chest for Dusty Pots (not completely) (1)
Killed 4 Ziz's in 1st "Magic Only" room at H-7 (4)
Ported up NE
No Recorded time of port, but about 12 minutes.
Total Enemies Killed: 21

2nd Floor:

Killed all enemies in NE room, 8 Dracu Lizard, and Mamool, looted chest (not completely) (9)
Killed exactly 1 enemy from each of the 3 remaining rooms, got 0 cell drops from each of them (3)
Ported to 3rd.
No recorded time of port, but at about 20-21 minutes.
Total Enemies Killed: 33

3rd Floor:

Killed 4 Mamools West of starting point. (4)
Ported South at 27 minutes into the run.
Total Enemies Killed: 37

4th Floor:

Poroggo Madame is up at 27 minutes into the run.
Killed 4 Mamools East of starting point (4)
Killed all but 1 Poroggo Gent (lost count--8 I believe)
Killed Poroggo Madame (dropped Chest with tons of good drinks)
Killed 3rd Rampart (entered on Lightningsday) no reinforcement called, no card dropped, killed while "Astral Doors" were open.
Ported up at 59:25 into the run.
Total Enemies Killed: 51 (est.--Depending upon Froggy count)

5th Floor:

Widescan clean, no Madame.
Slingshot sacked with 2 monks to the chariot. Aggro'd chariot. Opened porter door.
Widescan clean, no Madame.
Rest of ally came (mostly ^^) to the portal room.
Engaged Archaic Chariot inside of the Portal Room, and got every gear from the big room on us within 60 seconds.
We were no where near any of the gears in that large room for there to be any type of ordinary link.
Also, the Chariot aggro'd either sound or low HP after raising while it was facing away.
Widescan clean, no Madame.
Ported up at 1:25 into the run.
No enemies killed on 5th floor.
Total Enemies Killed: 51 (est. depending on Froggy count)

6th Floor

Widescan clean, no madame up. Just 2 ramparts and a chariot.
Killed eastern rampart, no reinforcement, no drops, widescan clean.
Killed western rampart, no reinforcement, no drops, widescan clean.
Engaged Archaic Chariot, widescan clean.
Left at time out. 1:40.

Conclusion:

Since this run met all of Divisortheory's Conditions A-C posting, I can confirm that none of us have even the faintest fricking idea how to pop 5th and 6th floor madames consistently.

Since we entered 4th floor south at 27 minutes into the run, I can confirm 100% that the "40-45 minutes" guideline for 4FS Madame is not 100% accurate.

It should never take a thief 6 minutes to figure out which way is west, and that he needed to port us up to the 4th floor 3-4 minutes before he did.

Popping all chests did not seem to affect 5th 6th.

Multiple of 5 mamools is not a factor, or at very least, is not the only factor. Or, the mamools on the 1st and 2nd floor are not included in the "multiple of 5" scenario.

Every mamool was pulled on 3rd and 4th floor with ranged, and only 1 linked. None aggro'd an alliance member.

[Subzero]

does the 35 morrigan's feet piece drop and this zone and if so from what? cant find where it drops, i am 2/3 just need that

[aurik]

does the 35 morrigan's feet piece drop and this zone and if so from what? cant find where it drops, i am 2/3 just need that

die

[Subzero]

What is your problem dude seriously. Sorry i dont spend half my life on forums, and btw your math sig is wrong.. its awesome that it will make you look smart but sorry it is far from correct.

[aurik]

lol?

[Francisco II]

Macha Pigaches do indeed drop in this zone, but no one is sure what drops them - or how to pop the NMs we suspect might drop them (Floor 5 & 6 Poroggo Madame).

That's what the last 15-45 pages of this thread have been about.

[Sagacious Sundi]

4th Floor:

Poroggo Madame is up at 27 minutes into the run.

Is it possible that what we thought 4FN's pop condition was was a lie, too?

[Subzero]

Awesome thank you Francisco. I am at school all day and work most nights, sorry i dont have time to read 500 posts. I checked the 1st 10 pages..and saw nothing about the feet. Aurik yeah thats right, I have a degree in mechanical engineering and your math sig fails. But yeah it makes you look smart so rock on buddy.

[divisortheory]

btw your math sig is wrong.. its awesome that it will make you look smart but sorry it is far from correct.

This one has to go down in the record books.

I have a degree in mechanical engineering and your math sig fails. But yeah it makes you look smart so rock on buddy.

I wonder if someone should explain the joke to you, lol. With a "mechanical engineering" degree I would have thought you would have gotten it.

[Sci]

Most of Subzero's posts would make one wonder if he graduated from Subway University. My favorite was when he made a second post asking where Morrigan's robe pieces dropped after his first was locked for being so dumb.

[Jaceot]

4th Floor:

Poroggo Madame is up at 27 minutes into the run.

Is it possible that what we thought 4FN's pop condition was was a lie, too?

I dont understand where the Window idea came from? did anyone ever port up before the time limits of 45 mins and not have the madame be up? I know the wiki says 40-45, I'll go change it if no one else does or can provide contradiction by the end of the day.

[Marinka]

I wonder if someone should explain the joke to you, lol. With a "mechanical engineering" degree I would have thought you would have gotten it.

Ok, I'll bite, I have no idea what the hell Aurik's sig is talking about. What's the joke?

[aurik]

[cos90, sin90; -sin90, cos90] is the transformation matrix for a clockwise 90-degree rotation. Multiplying it by [a1;a2] gives you [a1;a2] rotated clockwise 90-degrees.

[divisortheory]

Just hope this douchebag never has to "mechanically engineer" something that isn't a perfectly straight line.

[Seditedi]

4th Floor:

Poroggo Madame is up at 27 minutes into the run.

Is it possible that what we thought 4FN's pop condition was was a lie, too?

I dont understand where the Window idea came from? did anyone ever port up before the time limits of 45 mins and not have the madame be up? I know the wiki says 40-45, I'll go change it if no one else does or can provide contradiction by the end of the day.

That would explain why myself and others have seen Madame on 4FS pop later than 45 minutes into the run. I know my time was 100% accurate when entering and we missed the 45 min window by about 2 minutes exactly.

[divisortheory]

That would explain why myself and others have seen Madame on 4FS pop later than 45 minutes into the run. I know my time was 100% accurate when entering and we missed the 45 min window by about 2 minutes exactly.

Others have seen it not be up at like 46 though. There's something a little fishy with that particular NM.

[NynJa]

just tried to YY the 2 ramparts (not the manticores though) and no madame popped on 6th.
Trying to kill chariot first now


bear in mine, were not waiting for 10 min warning.

[Seditedi]

Yeah divisor, we got it at like 46:50 almost 47, it could have 2 conditions to pop when only 1 needs to be met to get it, maybe the 5F have 2 conditions also and both need to be met, these madames are so strange.

[Xanthu]

Just out of curiousity, when these frogs are boiled you're gonna change the title or make a new thread, right?

[divisortheory]

Just out of curiousity, when these frogs are boiled you're gonna change the title or make a new thread, right?

Personally I'm starting to think this shit is never gonna get solved until SE ninjas the fucking pop conditions. Speaking of which, we should all go submit feedback through POL.