Salvage: Bhaflau Remnants

[Frodorn]

Did you guys figure out how to pop the 4th floor frog in Zhayolm or something? Otherwise 2nd floor rampart is kind of a waste of time.

Na no frog...

It really was just something to do on the way to 4th floor, Need the 35 Drop for a Skadi's Body... just jumping right to the 4th floor seemed like a waste of a lot of time... Looking back I wish we had...

Next time we are heading right up the tower with the jobs for Long-Bow, that way with something happens on the warping gears or we have some extra time we can tickle LBC a bit...

[Map]

Liking bhaflau a lot less than the other zones now. First floor is a random shot if Mad Bomber is up. Second floor you can pop the rampart 100%, but let's face it the bee never actually pops. And I'm not seeing anyone saying that they've even seen the 3rd and 4th floor nms, which are pretty rediculous to pop in their own. Compound that with the fact that nobody knows how to get half the level 15 compliments in zhayolm, and Bhaflau seems like a big ol' waste of time (LBC's company excluded). Sure nothing in arrapago ever drops, but at least I get to see the nms that don't drop.

[aurik]

Been saying this for a long time :O but welcome to the club. Until someone figures out Zhayolm's lv15 conditions, Bhaflau's a waste except for LBC.

[Frodorn]

Been saying this for a long time :O but welcome to the club. Until someone figures out Zhayolm's lv15 conditions, Bhaflau's a waste except for LBC.

:wink: But Aurik... Level 15 body in Zhayolm is cake walk...

Hell you will most likely get more cards then you know what to do with just farming the level 35 Body on floor 4...

Here is my Question... I know you guys have a lot of extra time after beating Long Bow, when your making a Bee'line right to him farming just what you need ect... Are you left with enough time that you could have Pop 4th floor Rampart and still have beat LBC without timing out?

Though it would be Hard with your 10 man Strat to Kill those warping gears, being short on Blm's like that...

[divisortheory]

To be fair, 3 out of the 6 obtainable Lv. 15 pieces in Zhayolm are well understood. As long as you stick to Mad Bomber, Peryton, lol3rdfloor and ignore the rest of the ramparts, you can still complete Route 3 pieces without too much trouble.

Honestly though, for all practical purposes, only Route 1 and Route 2 are viable options right now until people bite the bullet and start dedicating some time to figuring out Zhayolm. I think people are just excited that Silver Sea -> Bhaflau -> Arrapago turns out to be so easy once you get the hang of it, and so people are just spamming it trying to get some pieces. It shouldn't be long before people start getting 5-6 of those completed pieces in the same shell, and when that starts happening I think people will be more eager to experiment.

[aurik]

Been saying this for a long time :O but welcome to the club. Until someone figures out Zhayolm's lv15 conditions, Bhaflau's a waste except for LBC.

:wink: But Aurik... Level 15 body in Zhayolm is cake walk...

Hell you will most likely get more cards then you know what to do with just farming the level 35 Body on floor 4...

Here is my Question... I know you guys have a lot of extra time after beating Long Bow, when your making a Bee'line right to him farming just what you need ect... Are you left with enough time that you could have Pop 4th floor Rampart and still have beat LBC without timing out?

Though it would be Hard with your 10 man Strat to Kill those warping gears, being short on Blm's like that...

I think we would definitely have time to kill gears on lv4 and try to pop the NM, and then take out LBC. We already have plenty of time to farm lv3 puddings for spare cells. The question is whether we would have the firepower to take out the gears reliably. If this was our goal then I would tweak the setup (add a blm?) to reliably down the lv4 gears.

[divisortheory]

A Distortion chain with 3 Freeze II or Blizzaga III bursting should 1 shot a gear I think.

[Frodorn]

I think we would definitely have time to kill gears on lv4 and try to pop the NM, and then take out LBC. We already have plenty of time to farm lv3 puddings for spare cells. The question is whether we would have the firepower to take out the gears reliably. If this was our goal then I would tweak the setup (add a blm?) to reliably down the lv4 gears.

Thats 1 thing good that came from last night's "Fun with Flans"

even though we ran out of time we Pulled and killed 8 of the warping gears with no Problem at all... we had 3 Blm none with Int Unlocked, using Ice Spells, They Pretty much Fire'd off 2 Nukes each... Wait for Mp/recasts before we pulled the Next.

Our Next run we are going to go even heavier on Blm and Rng and try a Kiteing Strat on LBC, The Gear should drop even faster...

~Clear Floor 1 for Cells
~Clear Flans for Magic
~Pop Socket NM
~Skip rest of Floor 2
~Skip Floor 3
~Pop Floor 4 Rampart
~Kill Long Bow

[aurik]

A Distortion chain with 3 Freeze II or Blizzaga III bursting should 1 shot a gear I think.

3 solid mnk should have no problem taking out a gear in 30-40 sec just from punching, really. Add a BLM to seal the deal.

[Lindstrom]

You almost definately won't have time for LBC if you go for a Rampart. However, it's not a bad idea to prepare yourself for both and in the event you fail to pop the Rampart just ignore them and go to the boss. To be honest, the time it takes to get decked out enough to handle the 4th floor gears and the attention they require to pulling, you won't have time for anything else. We usually kill those gears in 30 seconds but typically we lose time waiting on them to not bunch up so we can pull them. Last time we tried this Rampart (which was well over a month ago), we had somewhere around 20 or 15 minutes left, and no Perytons popped.

Plus I wouldn't worry about the 35 til you get the 25 from LAC.

[Sci]

Did you guys figure out how to pop the 4th floor frog in Zhayolm or something? Otherwise 2nd floor rampart is kind of a waste of time.

I'm at the point where I'd feel bad wasting more runs in my group trying. But I'd like to see a group rush up to the 4F S, and clear it if there's no NM. The quirkiness of 4F N makes it hard to know the conditions there.

Seems like we'll just spend our time farming Arrapago for 35 pieces to complete a few people who are 2/3 minus pieces there. My group has been lucky and already have gotten 3 lvl35 drops from Ramparts in Bhaflau, I guess that's why karma is boning us in Arrapago.

[divisortheory]

I'm actually really starting to lean towards a random pop. I'm at the point where I think Zhayolm should go something like this:

1) Prepare for a boss run.
2) Get the bare minimum needed on 1F, rush to the 3rd floor, farm HP/MP cells, rush to 4F N.
3) If Madame isn't up clear shit asap and try to get to 5F.
4) If Madame isn't up race to 6F and go to boss, try to kill.

So you're really preparing for a boss run, and just doing the NMs if you get lucky.

Although I'd like to see someone clear the entire 6F. Most people ignore the 2 ramparts in the end rooms and don't bother clearing them, so we still don't know if that's the condition for the 6th floor.

I'm also still not sure if anyone has cleared 5F N.

Edit: Gonna copy this to the thread it actually belongs in, lol.

[safer]

quick question, as i cant seem to find where it was posted in this thread.. but what are the distance ranges on homing missle / other tp moves?
is it 25' on homing missile and 15' on all other AOE moves, with diffusion ray being conic?

[divisortheory]

quick question, as i cant seem to find where it was posted in this thread.. but what are the distance ranges on homing missle / other tp moves?
is it 25' on homing missile and 15' on all other AOE moves, with diffusion ray being conic?

It was in this thread somewhere, but hard to find. Homing Missile 20, Inertia Stream+Discharge 10 is what I think was agreed upon.

[Almalexia]

Didn't see drop screenshot for this piece in the thread, so /pix. May instill a little hope in those looking for Skirmish Pephredo. Popped three times: 6:xx, 9:xx and 11:xx on Iceday, Waxing Crescent.

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g6...s/img_0034.jpg

[Sci]

Didn't see drop screenshot for this piece in the thread, so /pix. May instill a little hope in those looking for Skirmish Pephredo. Popped three times: 6x, 9x and 11x on Iceday, Waxing Crescent.

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I've had the 35 feet for about 2 months now I think (I've had the 25 piece longer). It's the non popping frog lady in Zhayolm that's been cock blocking me forever. Until its conditions are figured out, the 2nd lvl rampart is useless to farm if you want to upgrade stuff now.

[divisortheory]

Just out of curiosity, how many times have you entered the 4th floor (North) in Zhayolm?

[Map]

Does keeping the bees out increase his pop rate, or could you just not kill them fast enough?

[divisortheory]

I'm curious about keeping the bees out as well. I know if you keep all 5 out he just won't summon anything else but continue to lose HP. But I wonder if you keep 4 out. If there's only 5 bees + NM in the DAT files, and it has to choose between however many bees are left + the NM, then perhaps by lowering the pool from 6 possible choices to 2 possible choices, you'll get more pops?

[Almalexia]

Does keeping the bees out increase his pop rate, or could you just not kill them fast enough?

Couldn't kill fast enough. We would get about 2-3 wasps backed up while killing an NM.