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[Sekkite]

Inside joke or not, this is entertaining.

[Blackice]

i can't believe a drk would be dumb enough to spend their points on a w.body lol..

Well on our server there is a JP guy that runs his own shell that has full blood/crimson armor and sporting his Ridill/Kraken - i dont think he has to worry about 'dkp'

This thread needs a MNK that swaps in Shadow Mantle for Chakra on darksdays

I swap my mantle in for Chakra on Darksdays, lol.

[Kanodin]

this whole debate and I think the whole game comes down to the equivalent of riding shotgun or riding bitch. Mages ride bitch, melees ride shotgun. No one wants to ride bitch, and no one really gives a damn how well they ride bitch. Everyone wants to ride shotgun and do it in style, though.

The 'riding bitch' attitude ends when the RDMs convert and the mages run out of MP: everything stops working. Nobody is riding bitch, except for people warming the benches.

I seem to have missed the point of this thread. Who cares?

No one is forcing you to read the thread, so feel free to leave if you do not care.

[Stilgar]

this whole debate and I think the whole game comes down to the equivalent of riding shotgun or riding bitch. Mages ride bitch, melees ride shotgun. No one wants to ride bitch, and no one really gives a damn how well they ride bitch. Everyone wants to ride shotgun and do it in style, though.

The 'riding bitch' attitude ends when the RDMs convert and the mages run out of MP: everything stops working. Nobody is riding bitch, except for people warming the benches.

That's what rdms tell themselves to feel better when they can't come on their melee jobs.

[Kanodin]

this whole debate and I think the whole game comes down to the equivalent of riding shotgun or riding bitch. Mages ride bitch, melees ride shotgun. No one wants to ride bitch, and no one really gives a damn how well they ride bitch. Everyone wants to ride shotgun and do it in style, though.

The 'riding bitch' attitude ends when the RDMs convert and the mages run out of MP: everything stops working. Nobody is riding bitch, except for people warming the benches.

That's what rdms tell themselves to feel better when they can't come on their melee jobs.

It's not something that RDMs merely tell themselves to make them feel better. It comes from directly observing the impact of situations where a group had an insufficient number of mages and wiped. Recognizing the importance of all roles is a justified attitude, whereas saying that some are 'riding bitch' is not.

In addition, tell me if you have never heard this before:

"No dude, we need you on melee--we got enough mages..."

Based on where we are communicating and what you are alluding to, you should know about that thing called teamwork, and acknowledging the essential roles in a strategy. When you say 'can't come on their melee jobs,' you agree with my sentiment that mages are necessary. You probably call it 'riding bitch' because you don't want to do it. Amirite? Sooner or later you have to recognize that your delineation between 'bitch' and 'shotgun' is a personal preference. If you want to start a 'melee > mage' debate, first put it into practice. Try to laugh at the RDMs 'riding bitch' as they are soloing NMs that require teams to kill. Riding whatever--at least you're getting action (and the BST/NIN who also can do plenty of NM soloing).

There is a ranking of mage skill, but you probably are not paying attention and do not really care; who would pay attention to someone doing a bitch role? When it comes to groups swimming in mages, they have (lesser) mages sitting out. Skill matters.

Perhaps your attitude is due to the prevalence of jobs in your clique? Do you have more people competing for melee slots than mage slots?

[Ish]

this whole debate and I think the whole game comes down to the equivalent of riding shotgun or riding bitch. Mages ride bitch, melees ride shotgun. No one wants to ride bitch, and no one really gives a damn how well they ride bitch. Everyone wants to ride shotgun and do it in style, though.

The 'riding bitch' attitude ends when the RDMs convert and the mages run out of MP: everything stops working. Nobody is riding bitch, except for people warming the benches.

That's what rdms tell themselves to feel better when they can't come on their melee jobs.

It's not something that RDMs merely tell themselves to make them feel better. It comes from directly observing the impact of situations where a group had an insufficient number of mages and wiped. Recognizing the importance of all roles is a justified attitude, whereas saying that some are 'riding bitch' is not.

In addition, tell me if you have never heard this before:

"No dude, we need you on melee--we got enough mages..."

Based on where we are communicating and what you are alluding to, you should know about that thing called teamwork, and acknowledging the essential roles in a strategy. When you say 'can't come on their melee jobs,' you agree with my sentiment that mages are necessary. You probably call it 'riding bitch' because you don't want to do it. Amirite? Sooner or later you have to recognize that your delineation between 'bitch' and 'shotgun' is a personal preference. If you want to start a 'melee > mage' debate, first put it into practice. Try to laugh at the RDMs 'riding bitch' as they are soloing NMs that require teams to kill. Riding whatever--at least you're getting action (and the BST/NIN who also can do plenty of NM soloing).

There is a ranking of mage skill, but you probably are not paying attention and do not really care; who would pay attention to someone doing a bitch role? When it comes to groups swimming in mages, they have (lesser) mages sitting out. Skill matters.

Perhaps your attitude is due to the prevalence of jobs in your clique? Do you have more people competing for melee slots than mage slots?

Jesus Christ Stilgar you just got plowed lol.

RDM can tank too so, they never 'ride bitch' wtf. We never use pld anymore and fuck it's depressing (b/c I had to finish pld to get in wtf) but frankly RDM does it all and is the most overpowered job in this game.

God I love it. RDM tanking is so much more fun than anything else RDM does. Even solo NMs I think.

[Lordender]

who cares who rides bitch and who rides shotgun? a successful linkshell does what it takes to get the job done, good and smart players will come as what job needed depending on the current situation. I would break someones pearl if i said look i need you on RDM and you show up as WAR just cause you want to showboat.

[Stilgar]

this whole debate and I think the whole game comes down to the equivalent of riding shotgun or riding bitch. Mages ride bitch, melees ride shotgun. No one wants to ride bitch, and no one really gives a damn how well they ride bitch. Everyone wants to ride shotgun and do it in style, though.

The 'riding bitch' attitude ends when the RDMs convert and the mages run out of MP: everything stops working. Nobody is riding bitch, except for people warming the benches.

That's what rdms tell themselves to feel better when they can't come on their melee jobs.

It's not something that RDMs merely tell themselves to make them feel better. It comes from directly observing the impact of situations where a group had an insufficient number of mages and wiped. Recognizing the importance of all roles is a justified attitude, whereas saying that some are 'riding bitch' is not.

In addition, tell me if you have never heard this before:

"No dude, we need you on melee--we got enough mages..."

Based on where we are communicating and what you are alluding to, you should know about that thing called teamwork, and acknowledging the essential roles in a strategy. When you say 'can't come on their melee jobs,' you agree with my sentiment that mages are necessary. You probably call it 'riding bitch' because you don't want to do it. Amirite? Sooner or later you have to recognize that your delineation between 'bitch' and 'shotgun' is a personal preference. If you want to start a 'melee > mage' debate, first put it into practice. Try to laugh at the RDMs 'riding bitch' as they are soloing NMs that require teams to kill. Riding whatever--at least you're getting action (and the BST/NIN who also can do plenty of NM soloing).

There is a ranking of mage skill, but you probably are not paying attention and do not really care; who would pay attention to someone doing a bitch role? When it comes to groups swimming in mages, they have (lesser) mages sitting out. Skill matters.

Perhaps your attitude is due to the prevalence of jobs in your clique? Do you have more people competing for melee slots than mage slots?

I agree with everything you say. I think you misinterpreted my post, though. I'm just commenting on something that is undeniable. I hold this truth to be self-evident. Every single event my ls does, we have those people that say "should I come whm or war," "brd or drk," "rdm or mnk," and then sigh and bitch and moan when their told to ride bitch and get on their mage job.

Nowhere am I downplaying the importance of mages and support, I have a whm, too, and I fully understand how necessary healing is. The thing is, people don't want to haste and refresh and ballad, people want to kick ass.

And I've completely forgotten what it was in this thread that made me bring it up, but there it is.

[Kanodin]

The thing is, people don't want to haste and refresh and ballad, people want to kick ass.

Alright. I want to challenge your view on this. I really don't think this is a self-evident truth that you can apply to everyone, but it probably is the sentiment that you see in your linkshell. I believe it is a matter of personal preference that you call one 'bitch' and the other 'shotgun'. I could easily tell a story around how DD melee are riding bitch in that they have to invest considerably more gil in equipment than BLM, and many players complain about melee equipment expenses. Overall, the game and people's tastes are far more complex than for me to concede to your sweeping generalization.

Some people enjoy melee over maging. Others have no preference. There are also people who desire the mage job over meleeing. The latter two groups would disagree with you Stiglar.

[Luke]

Playing different jobs is what keeps this game fun; playing the same job for 95% of things just isn't fun, at least for me. IMO not having fun is a pretty good reason to bitch. On the other side of the coin though, you should be what's needed..but always playing something you don't enjoy would no doubt take its toll on your game experience.

How is this current topic even related to the OP btw?

[Keston]

I think if you have put in the work (ie. contribution to LS), you deserve to prefer whatever you wish. Most of the events I attend, I do it was BLM or RDM... however I prefer/lot gear for my DRG PLD or NIN. I use the job that helps the team most, but gear the jobs I love to play the most. Thought its not always fun, wiping/losing due to imbalance of jobs is even less fun. Also, gear is alot less important to mage jobs than to melee. So the gear I have on my BLM or RDM isn't as important/useful as the gear I'd have on my NIN for example.

If a DRK has put in his work, its his right to prefer/get a w.body in my view... for all anyone knows he could plan to lvl RDM next and chose it because it would be useful to both those jobs etc. Just because a job is your main (used most to help the team) doesn't mean you should be restricted to only gearing that.

What I think is bad, is when its thought that simply leveling a certain job, has earned someone the right to certain gear over other's who have worked harder.

[Klia]

Gogo list system based on attendance and job priority.

[Stilgar]

I could easily tell a story around how DD melee are riding bitch in that they have to invest considerably more gil in equipment than BLM, and many players complain about melee equipment expenses.

touche.

Overall, the game and people's tastes are far more complex than for me to concede to your sweeping generalization.

Some people enjoy melee over maging. Others have no preference. There are also people who desire the mage job over meleeing. The latter two groups would disagree with you Stiglar.

Again, you're absolutely right. I just contend that the people who want to melee more than be a mage are in the majority, and by a big margin; so much so that it seems 'everyone' is that way, and it's easy to make a big generalization. It's like saying 'people like sports, no one wants to go to the opera,' which is not exactly true, but is mostly true.

[Kanodin]

I just contend that the people who want to melee more than be a mage are in the majority, and by a big margin; so much so that it seems 'everyone' is that way, and it's easy to make a big generalization. It's like saying 'people like sports, no one wants to go to the opera,' which is not exactly true, but is mostly true.

It is not a generalization when you are talking about your own group. I just think it is a good idea for you (and your LS recruiter) to look out for players that have a passion for mage/support jobs, recruit them, so that you can balance out the desires of your linkshell. There are plenty of people who prefer mage over melee (e.g., me), and getting a solid number of those people in your LS is a good strategy. The plus of this strategy is that when you have mages competing with mages for spots in the fights, you encourage those people to competitively improve their skills/equipment. This will cut into the competition among the melee folks, but I believe the cost is worthwhile.

Bottom line: if you don't like playing mage, then you should not completely surround yourself with people that are seeking your slot in the big fights.

[Vinen]

Ahh, this is why I <3 my Linkshell... because we try not to take anything srsly >.>|

[Grey Jorildyn]

Ahh, this is why I <3 my Linkshell... because we try not to take anything srsly >.>|

We take Hydra pretty sirius.

[Vail]

people that prefer being a mage over a melee are so rare, and far and few inbetween

and overtime, those mages more often then not, get tired of babysitting people with 5+ melee jobs, and eventually will level a melee job, and 9 times out of 10 I swear that mage will end up loving thier melee job more then thier mages jobs.

It's not also about preference of jobs always either, alot of it revolves around equip: many linkshells focus mostly (sometimes exclusively) on equiping melee and mages getting virtually nothing, this tends to make people really bitter.

Seeing hectacomb caps goto PLDs cause those people play pld over giving someone who is 2+ mages jobs who wants a cap for his drg, but despite his attendence is told he can't lot. (I'm talking an attendence rate considerably higher then the PLDs that are getting these caps)

The comments of "playing bitch" to me more so has to do with people no matter thier efforts having to play second best to someone else's gains, which is totally unfair to anyone. The sad thing is most linkshells I've seen (about half a dozen) operate in this manor.

Recruiting poeple who "love being mages" and taking advantage of them for helping with everything but giving them little(nothing) is just taking advantage of good hearted people. And in time they are gonna want something for themselves and in some linkshells people will refuse to help them.

[StaplerGuy]

The sad thing is most linkshells I've seen (about half a dozen) operate in this manor.

Houses of melees, eh?

>_>

[Fng]

If I was smart enough to make a poll, I would make one that says

"Which job is the hardest to get people to come to an event as"

I would gander to say its WHM.

If you can keep your WHM's happy and attending events, the rest is just cake. There are 5 diffrent acceptable tanks for just about ever monster in the game, and just about anyone can DD, sure some do it better w/ lesser consequences.

But if you don't have happy WHM's you might as well forget having continuously successful events. (I am in no way saying SMNs or RDMs can't effectively heal)

[Nikopiko]

WHM's are expendable at our ls events, lol, it's more DD's that we need got everything else haha.