Ridill Priority

[Ayn]

THF, SAM and RNG.. it is a toy to play with on occasion... WAR and DRK would both use for merits, while a WAR might be able to play with it at HNM given the proper LS. Honestly, a well geared dual Axe WAR can hold with a ridill, so it isn't thier end all piece. But I just don't see any other job getting as much out of Ridill as WAR.

Thieves, if not idiotically geared, can use it just fine for merits too.

But needs more Nyst pics. Make with 'em, Taru.

[Zilong]

Doubly fixed.

Um, no? Zilong obviously indicated the innate +Acc from RNG Accuracy Bonus trait.

Which is better than skill for accuracy, but does shit for ATK, so it's kinda off anyhow .. but still, RNG effectively get A+++ Sword skill as far as Ridill accuracy goes.

Even so, with job trait and full +skill gear and merits, they aren't beating a WAR who also has +skill gear and merits. At best, RNG is barely above A+, hardly A+++.

RNG uses Ranged WS for their TP, ridill just works like kraken for them (with slower TP gain but higher DPS), so as far as the utilization of ridill as a TP gaining weapon, they're not that much behind WAR or DRK.

That and since the recent ranged attack patch, meleeing for TP along with shooting is more than viable, so RNG can benefit a good amount from ridill too...more than "just a toy" anyway

All things considered, you can say that Ridill is just a meriting toy for WAR, because that's what it will be used 90% of the time anyway (granted that might be caused by the revamp your merit to accomodate ridill clause, but still...)

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Priority:

Maxx>Normal DRKs>WAR>FUCK YO COUCH BITCHES

[Kirschy]

NO AND NO. I have 75DRK and would never fucking merit with ridill/nin unless it was just to mess around.

After plenty of parses with optimal Scythe and Ridill builds(in different scenarios), I can tell you for certian that it's increadibly effective even for DRK

With regards to the original topic. Although a standard loot system that everyone agrees on works for a majority of items... I think certian loot just has a horrible drop rate (ie; Ridill/D. Ring) and you need to bring in multiple factors like senority/dedication to the LS, and it's usefulness to the player.

Every LS is free to distribute loot in any manner they see fit. Linkshell members should be in agreement, and understand the system beforehand.

[Falaras]

RNG uses Ranged WS for their TP, ridill just works like kraken for them (with slower TP gain but higher DPS), so as far as the utilization of ridill as a TP gaining weapon, they're not that much behind WAR or DRK.

That and since the recent ranged attack patch, meleeing for TP along with shooting is more than viable, so RNG can benefit a good amount from ridill too...more than "just a toy" anyway

All things considered, you can say that Ridill is just a meriting toy for WAR, because that's what it will be used 90% of the time anyway (granted that might be caused by the revamp your merit to accomodate ridill clause, but still...)

Ding ding ding we have a winner, offhanding a Mkris is even better since they are even multi hit wise. Lets you spam your WSs which might not out damage a Ridill war but it'll up your damage alot, maybe more then giving a Axe/Axe war a Ridill.

[Ravenlokk]

i hoping to test ridill/joy with max sword merits and fortitude torq. on Nidhogg (lol if we claim)... screenshots to follow! :D

[Khamsin]

i hoping to test ridill/joy with max sword merits and fortitude torq. on Nidhogg (lol if we claim)... screenshots to follow! :D

Should try ridill/axe for half the fight, then switch to ridill/joy for the second half and see how it compares.

[Ravenlokk]

I dont have an axe with me
Got Ridill/Joy/Byakkos/Algol with me ; ;

ihave 273 Sword skill and 269 Axe skill..

+41ACC +40ATK +8%HASTE
71+26STR
69+36DEX for TP...

+15ACC +15ATK
71+62STR
69+36DEX for WS

edit: i did a heavy acc TP set for fafnir... might change the ws set for a bit more acc instead of STR (-5str/dex +10acc)

[VZX]

SWD Skill accuracy:

WAR 250
DRK 240
SAM 230
THF 210
RNG 210 +54

Fixed.

Doubly fixed.

triply fixed.

[Exoduso]

Well, since DRK was my first job I would always have to say DRK... but seriously, if you don't give it to a good WAR first it's kind of a waste.

Ridill IS just a toy, for the most part...but at least WARs can put it to more use than other classes.

[Falaras]

SWD Skill accuracy:

WAR 250
DRK 240
SAM 230
THF 210
RNG 210 +54

Fixed.

Doubly fixed.

triply fixed.

+54? how? Its +48 from natural Accuracy Bonus IV

[Zilong]

SWD Skill accuracy:

WAR 250
DRK 240
SAM 230
THF 210
RNG 210 +54

Fixed.

Doubly fixed.

triply fixed.

+54? how? Its +48 from natural Accuracy Bonus IV

Considering post 200 each skillpoint = .9 ACC, it would take 54 skills to get 48 ACC I guess

[Falaras]

Oh that makes sense thanks for clearing that up.

[Jhun]

I don't know why THFs wants Ridill when they have M.kris or can /WAR or /DRK for high dmg against HNMs

[Sendra]

I don't know why THFs wants Ridill when they have M.kris or can /WAR or /DRK for high dmg against HNMs

Same reason why a SAM wants a sash. Or a WAR wants a Hydra Haubert and a Shadow Ring.

[Senoska]

I don't know why THFs wants Ridill when they have M.kris or can /WAR or /DRK for high dmg against HNMs

Same reason why a SAM wants a sash. Or a WAR wants a Hydra Haubert and a Shadow Ring.

aka epeen.

[draxyl]

I don't know why THFs wants Ridill when they have M.kris or can /WAR or /DRK for high dmg against HNMs

Since the dagger update over the spring/summer, m kris has become a complete joke. They didn't update the damage rating on it, so the dps is extremely low when compared to ridill - or even other viable offhand daggers (blau, sirocco, behemoth+1, harpe, etc). TP gain is supposedly faster by a noticeable amount over ridill, but the low damage during tp gain still gives the edge to ridill.

By and large for most thfs, ridill isn't that uber. You really need top notch WS gear to maximize the effects, and fairly decent accuracy gear during TP gain. Also, you're stuck eating sushi and going /nin if you want to make use of it ;;

note: this is mostly going off the thf forum asshattery on KI, I have not tested ridill vs. m kris myself.

[SassiAsura]

Ask Bella to test it... before he gives me back my ridill.

As for Asuran Ridill priority... Sassi should be number 1 then you may fight over the scraps.

[Ploid]

I love using ridill on thf. Haven't touched m.kris though lol. Got it right after maintenance that removed the tp floor. I use ridill more on thf (because my war is only needed for exp and maybe ulli camping/killing aura statues). If only I didnt level rdm.

Thf/nin: solo/nms, dynamis, solo EM-T chains for buffer, exp in party situations, sea stuff.

War: Exp, used to in limbus but rdms became rare.

[Ayn]

If you have enough accuracy gear, there are select situations where you can get away with eating attack food and offhanding a Ridill. I think it's been alluded to plenty of times before, though: The weapon alone doesn't make you uber, you have to make a build / merits around the weapon.

If only I didnt level rdm.

You're an awesome RDM, though.