Relic horn and Jorm

[Sheeba]

Happy New Year everyone!

I am requesting opinions on fighting Jormungand with the aid of a relic horn.
First off, my ls has killed at least 8 Jorms with no relic help, but the fight is usually a bit longer (shortest was 70 minutes). Recently we finished off our relic horn and some disagree over which party it should be placed in. Tank party or BLM party?

I am on the side of tank party for hate purposes, in my experience the more mp the PLD's have to cure alliance, the more the hate is focused on tanks and free's BLM's to nuke more thus resulting in stable hate and a faster fight.
Others are on the side of BLM party have the horn so they can have more mp to nuke the adds and Jorm.

BTW we use 2 PLD/NIN to tank this, and we have the BLM's nuke the adds with Jorm.

Your opinions would be appreciated kthnx :D

[Obev]

Here's a crazy idea. Rotate the relic bard so that both parties get uber-ballad.

[Darkblood]

Here's a crazy idea. Rotate the relic bard so that both parties get uber-ballad.

pfft, why would anyone do such a crazy thing?! If you didnt want to keep 2 parties at 5 peeps each so you can trade the brd around, I'd give the brd to the tank pt anyday. BLMs rest MP uber fast as it is, tanking pld's cant :D

[Darkblood]

Gratz on the horn btw ^.^

[Pergo]

isn't the point to make the kills faster?
rotate brd

[Alleya]

Rotate!

But since people are usually lazy and stupid, give it to the tanks. As was previously pointed out, blms can rest (even on low mp they can hold the adds with sleeps while they recover, I have seen an LS that held the adds rather than killing them), paladins cannot.

[Asy]

when you sell the ore, and buy that Bard an HQ Light staff to match his/her relic.

[Maguspk]

Rotate!

But since people are usually lazy and stupid, give it to the tanks. As was previously pointed out, blms can rest (even on low mp they can hold the adds with sleeps while they recover, I have seen an LS that held the adds rather than killing them), paladins cannot.

ya BLM can sleep adds. Also rotate BRD between SMN party and the Tank party. SMN are the best DD for Jorm. Killed Jorm in like 30 minutes with 9 or so SMN once.

[Faranim]

Depends on what your major roadblock with Jorm is. If you often have Tanking problems and hate is everywhere, or tanks run out of MP and die, you'll want to put the BRD with them. If you already have a stable Tank PT with non-relic BRD, rotate the relic BRD between all the mage parties and put another non-relic BRD with the tanks.

It's relatively easy for a BRD to rotate between 3 mage parties and give them ballad.

If you put the BRD in the Tank PT, don't rotate them. The BRD would have to run around to ballad anyone not in the tank PT, could be a problem if it disrupts Jorgs positioning, or worse (Tank gets roared, BRD has 2nd highest hate but he's ballading the mages elsewhere, hello Spike Frail)

[Jeryhn]

A Relic Horn Bard needs 4 macros:

/so "Mage's Ballad"
/so "Mage's Ballad II"
/join
/pcmd leave

Basically, yeah, rotate the Bard.

[spooky]

Why would you need to rotate to any PTs when you can kill it with just one! :P

[Jeryhn]

Why would you need to rotate to any PTs when you can kill it with just one!

I was wondering when someone was gonna say this.

[Sidanoir]

If you want a faster fight and want to put the bard in only one party, stick it with the BLMs.

If you want a safer fight, with more stable hate put it in the tank pt.

If you want a busier fight for the bard, whore him/her out to every pt.

I use /ma "Mage's Ballad" <me> >.>
I use /ma for everything pretty much lol

[Judai]

Put the horn to use, Rotate it.

[solsovly]

If you want a faster fight and want to put the bard in only one party, stick it with the BLMs.

If you want a safer fight, with more stable hate put it in the tank pt.

If you want a busier fight for the bard, whore him/her out to every pt.

I use /ma "Mage's Ballad" <me> >.>
I use /ma for everything pretty much lol

Hell if the bard is really lazy you could do all of this with 2 macros

ctrl-1
/ma "Mage's Ballad" <me>
wait 1
/ma "Mage's Ballad II" <me>
/join

ctrl-2
/pcmd leave

orrr if he wants to be really really lazy and do it the 1 macro way while watching tv just have him press this every minute or so.

ctrl-1
/join
/ma "Mage's Ballad" <me>
wait 15
/ma "Mage's Ballad II" <me>
/wait 15
/pcmd leave

[frozenx]

A Relic Horn Bard needs 4 macros:

/so "Mage's Ballad"
/so "Mage's Ballad II"
/join
/pcmd leave

Basically, yeah, rotate the Bard.

Meh 4 macros

Use 2!

Macro 1
/ma "Mage's Ballad" <me>
/ma "Mage's Ballad II" <me>

Macro 2
/pcmd leave
/join

Or maybe even combine both of those macros into something like

/join
/ma "Mage's Ballad" <me>
/ma "Mage's Ballad II" <me>
/pcmd leave

EDIT: WTF lol nvm poster above me beat me to it ><

[MF Perm]

A Relic Horn Bard needs 4 macros:

/so "Mage's Ballad"
/so "Mage's Ballad II"
/join
/pcmd leave

Basically, yeah, rotate the Bard.

Yeah because chances are your relic brd can't land elegy or threnody.

[Jeryhn]

A Relic Horn Bard needs 4 macros:

/so "Mage's Ballad"
/so "Mage's Ballad II"
/join
/pcmd leave

Basically, yeah, rotate the Bard.

Yeah because chances are your relic brd can't land elegy or threnody.

lol, you take me too seriously.

[Aviendha]

On that note, though, how significant a boost is having the singing/wind skill on the gjhorn for songs like elegy compared to a horn+1 (elegy+2 only)?

Any old threads I don't know about where someone with Gjhorn has tested this? Obviously it'll be boost, but is it enough to consistently land those songs on endgame mobs that are normally pretty resistent?

[Bkbahamut]

I am in the same LS with Sheeba, and me and her argued a little over it.

I voted BLM pt, only reason why some were against BRD rotating parties is too much hate, but if PLD's can hold hate off nuking BLM's and shit, i see no problem with holding it from singing BRD. Not to mention this BRD has max - enmity etc etc.

Reason why I didnt want it in the tank party is, our PLD's have almost no problem keeping hate as is, and half the time are at full mp on Jorm. Sorry hes a joke, our biggest problem we ever maybe encounter on Jorm is stupid adds buliding up and BLM's are always low on mp trying to nuke them down and keep them slept/rest etc. Maybe for Tiamat or something, but im sorry Jorm is a joke...lol not needed for tank party when they already flawlessly tank. BRD in pt with SMN + BLM = faster kill = yes plz. Not only do SMN do awesome dmg, we use them to keep the freakin alliance alive, BLM's dont normally heal themselves because they get enough hate as is, so gettin most MP to SMN's is best imo.