Ice Age of Gil incoming?

[Lyramion]

With stuff going down and down is there an end?


Lets look into the average pocket of someone towards Endgame:

- 1-2x Limbus a week: 50k each
- 1-2x Dynamis a week: 16k-30k each
- Chocobo Costs for 1 week: hard to tell but sums up

All that gil is "lost" for the playerbase and taken out of the economy. On the other side the gil NPCs hand out isnt really much. Sure there are 100k rank 10 awards but that doesnt even last one week for people beeing active with dynamis and limbo.

The most gil you can get from NPCs regularly are Avatar fights for 10k each. All the ToAU ppl just hand out their own currency as reward.

They added all that stuff to get rid of gil - and it really worked over the months. But seeing all this I get the feeling there is no way to stop the gil drain unless SE really changes something. Maybe let you enter Dynamis on ToAU currency >>;

Will Limbo and Dynamis become a "rich ppl only" hobby?
Will ppl set up Avatar run days to get gils for it? lol


Any input?

[Kiro]

About damn time. Now everyone else can be poor like me.~

[Krandor]

With probably like 1 or 2 hours of farming a day max someone could get enough NPCable stuff to make 30-50k, so I would think the "rich ppl only" thing is likely something that won't end up happening.

[Xanthu]

Obviously what we need is some good 'ol rusty cap fish-botting.

But failing that, you can look at another bunch of sources. Every NM or HNM drops several thousand, BCNM crates as well. The beastmen drop about 50 gil a piece, and of course there's sellable items, I know of plenty of scrolls and weapons that can be NPCd for more than they AH for.

I think you can find sources for money-from-nowhere, it's just a bit harder these days.

[Kanodin]

Your economy will continue to deflate until it becomes lucrative for people to farm mobs for straight gil (e.g., Gigas mobs in Delkfutt's Tower). If the gil in circulation has not shrunk to that level, then you can anticipate more deflation. Basically, gil creation forces will have to meet or exceed gil removal forces in order to end deflation.

Low prices create unique inflationary forces when the supply of money gets low enough: e.g., farming for gil, black sole sold to NPCs, certain craft products sold to NPCs. When it becomes advantageous for a person to sell an item to a NPC instead of the AH, you have inflationary force.

Use your imagination when attempting to predict when deflation will end.

When you consider that the total cost of one full limbus alliance is 900k, you can see that limbus is supposed to be a limited size dynamis with similar costs. I would not be surprised if some groups institute a limbus sponsor system.

[Lyramion]

But failing that, you can look at another bunch of sources. Every NM or HNM drops several thousand, BCNM crates as well. The beastmen drop about 50 gil a piece, and of course there's sellable items, I know of plenty of scrolls and weapons that can be NPCd for more than they AH for.

The beastmen dropping gil - forgot that. Still tho... if you kill 10 HNM per week and they give you 3000 gil each and whore BCs and exp on Beastmen...thats wee.... 2x Limbus? The amount of bare cash those things spit out still seems so small

[Eaglestrike]

With probably like 1 or 2 hours of farming a day max someone could get enough NPCable stuff to make 30-50k, so I would think the "rich ppl only" thing is likely something that won't end up happening.

I posted about something like this a few months ago on the THF forums(on Alla lolz). I was wondering about some items that NPC for a pretty decent amount because I saw how gil was being sucked out of the economy and farming gil itself could become more efficient than items to sell. Only things I know of for this is Demons in Castle Zvahl with Orc Piercer/shellbreaker/yagudo freezer and the Wysteria Lumber Elder Goobbuee's drop.

SE needs to increase NPC sale prices of items. So far an added bonus of the Colibri merit camp is I actually profit while exping as opposed to losing 40-60k because of Red Curry, lol.

[Medivac]

the economy will stabalize because dumb ass's will always buy gil so there will always be some in circulation.

and what ls are you in that makes you pay for dynamis/limbus. or do you guys just do split drops no LS bank?

[bebeci]

and what ls are you in that makes you pay for dynamis/limbus. or do you guys just do split drops no LS bank?

Who is going to cough up 50k gil for MY soap?

[Krandor]

My LS has always had everyone pay for their own Cleanse in Limbus <_<

[Kaylia]

the economy will stabalize because dumb ass's will always buy gil so there will always be some in circulation.

>_> Gilseller dont create money, unless they dupe it. Almost none of them farm stuff and bring new money in the game, they just get it from players and resell it

and what ls are you in that makes you pay for dynamis/limbus. or do you guys just do split drops no LS bank?

What kind of LS bother giving 50k back to everyone for limbus? Just split the coin and it will even out...no? And no matter what you think, someone will have to throw 1million at the goblin to get a glass, so it's 1m that dissapear from economy.

[Alleya]

My linkshell pays for dynamis and limbus.

[Judai]

the economy will stabalize because dumb ass's will always buy gil so there will always be some in circulation.

and what ls are you in that makes you pay for dynamis/limbus. or do you guys just do split drops no LS bank?

I would think most LS's make you pay for Limbus, tbh idk of any who pay for it for you, on my Server. Never heard of that or even know how you would fund it other then from LS Bank from HNMs and such.

As for Dynamis, only LS only Dynamis's usually pay for you and there are plenty on non LS only groups. Like mine, we have sponsorships and stuff but usually members pay their own way. Also, like Kaylia said, someone has to give the Gob 1M.

The way things are going and looking, RMT is starting to crack under the pressure SE is finally putting on them. I have seen far less RMT oriented groups and prices have drastically dropped on our server. If things continue, prices should continue to drop. There are still plenty of ways to make a couple 100k a week to pay for Dyna and Limbus tho. Just have to work a little harder I guess.

[Stilgar]

I've stopped going to limbus. I have everything I want from it gear-wise, and the 100k a week has gotten to be quite a bit lately.

If you search hard enough, you can find items that you can sell to npc for a good bit of gil. Sometimes they're mob drops, sometimes synthed. The crafted ones are going to be something to watch, because ingredient prices will likely keep falling.

[Metah]

The secret is Puk Eggs.

[Lylie]

Well, on my server, there are almost only sponsored Dynamis Linkshells nowadays, and I do wonder, how the hell do these people find 2 million gil per week?

Economy is fine now though, it's not hard to get 100k a week for Limbus. Also, a lot of cheap items you can sell as much to NPC as you will sell them on AH. And what kind of LS pays for Limbus? Surely you guys don't make sponsored Limbus too... lol)

[Epical]

Kind of funny where things are now compared to a year ago. I think this downward trend is a good thing, and it brings more focus onto the crafting/farming/KS/BC/ISNM aspect rather than the campthiscertainmobuntilthecowscomehome aspect. Meh, it's "healthy" if you will.

[aurik]

Well, on my server, there are almost only sponsored Dynamis Linkshells nowadays, and I do wonder, how the hell do these people find 2 million gil per week?

Economy is fine now though, it's not hard to get 100k a week for Limbus. Also, a lot of cheap items you can sell as much to NPC as you will sell them on AH. And what kind of LS pays for Limbus? Surely you guys don't make sponsored Limbus too... lol)

I can make over 100k an hour crafting. It's boring as hell, but it's doable. Even in the "ice age" we have now, I tend to take in at least 1m a week in my various activities, and I don't even try to make money much since there's very little for me to buy. It would be easy for me to sponsor another relic if I needed to.

[Chips]

A long while back, a fairly large group of people in my LS were discussing this very same situation, and how it doesn't make any sense at all. First off, where did all of this money in circulation come from? There's no way you're going to convince me it was from people selling items to NPCs, money drops from Beastmen and HNM, doing missions, or anything else like that. So... lets be generous in this situation, and say someone has made 1.5 million gil in missions/selling to NPCs/etc etc etc.

That 1.5 million gil is most certainly not common amongst many players. I achieved rank 10, have sold some stuff to NPCs, etc. However, I have not come close to 1.5 million gil. Lets say I've made 500k. I've spent, however, numerous amounts of "lost" gil. I do limbus twice a week, dynamis once, use chocobos fairly often and use the Auction House tons. I wouldn't doubt it if I've spent over 3mil in lost gil through selling, etc.

Now, if we take that into consideration, there are certainly people whom have spent even more "lost" gil than that.

Something just doesn't quite add up here. I'm in the negative, so I should be fairly safe to assume that a large portion of end game players are, as well. Even if you do not do Dyna/Limbo, you utilize the AH frequently.

I just don't understand how we've gained these massive amounts of gil into the economy with so much more being taken out.

[Myrle]

I just don't understand how we've gained these massive amounts of gil into the economy with so much more being taken out.

Quite some time ago, people selling rusty and restored rusty caps to NPCs contributed to the influx of gil.