Windower Documentation Rewrite/Update

[Skjie]

It does not give the user any gain in using it aside from targeting through walls, which in this game is nothing special .... This game is not a first person shooter as I already said so it doesn't matter if you can see other mobs and players.

If you think that being able to look through a wall/door before it's opened isn't useful or broken, you're kidding yourself. Among other things, being able to see where a coffer is without having to open doors or travel through corridors, or find out if mobs are popped behind doors is incredibly broken. Making this public to the noobs of the world might finally be the straw that broke SEs back towards Windower.

[Wiccaan]

It does not give the user any gain in using it aside from targeting through walls, which in this game is nothing special .... This game is not a first person shooter as I already said so it doesn't matter if you can see other mobs and players.

If you think that being able to look through a wall/door before it's opened isn't useful or broken, you're kidding yourself. Among other things, being able to see where a coffer is without having to open doors or travel through corridors, or find out if mobs are popped behind doors is incredibly broken. Making this public to the noobs of the world might finally be the straw that broke SEs back towards Windower.

Too bad you don't need Windower do to this anyway.

[othellojr]

You can already see if mobs are behind doors anyways without needing any tools or exploits (well, you can see if any mobs are up), by either being a Thf, Rng, Nin, Bst, or having any of them jobs subbed... As to this being a huge deal, I really don't see it affecting much at all, lol.

[Paegan]

The average computer user today knows how to debug a process and see what is going on inside of it.

I don't know what world you live in, but it isn't the same one as anyone who has to deal with "average computer users" on a daily basis.

[Correction]

The average computer user today knows how to debug a process and see what is going on inside of it.

I don't know what world you live in, but it isn't the same one as anyone who has to deal with "average computer users" on a daily basis.

'average computer users' also don't download 3rd-party apps that hook into programs and execute scripts to do stuff like change gear. If you've lived on the internet for longer than 5 years and aren't a complete moron, you know what a debugger is.

And Wiccaan's right, seeing through walls in this game is not that big a deal. OMG Coffers in oztroja can be seen through doors! Now thieves will spend all their time camping them for...Safeguard Rings.

Apart from avoiding unwanted aggro HOW is this an advantage of any kind? I can think of exactly two places were seeing through walls gives a leg up to an unobservant player with slow reflexes, but if you're playing the game at any level of skill you can already do everything that's "broken" about this without having windower installed at all.

[Darkvalentine]

why dont u guys just leave Wiccan Alone If it wasnt for them we would still be in Fullscreen mode.Also there are ways To look Threw Walls if u postion your Cam. the (rigth way) just to be able to See whats inside.

[Khamsin]

Wireframe can get pretty abusive for a couple things I think...

1 good example is Bhaflau Remnants 2nd Floor. People have issues figuring out where the Rampart pops after killing the 4 Flans and don't know whether to choose the East or West Path (Rampart pops in one of 4 rooms I think? Something like that). With Wire Frame, you could simply look past the door and look for it (it will be within the 50' mark) before opening the door.

May be able to catch which path on first floor has the Mad Bomber NM as well. I'm not sure if that's even in range to see though.

Given that you have maps in Salvage, unlike Limbus and Dynamis, you could have just used Widescan. If I'm not mistaken, even /RNG without SJ unlocked can use Widescan.

[Jeryhn]

Wireframe can get pretty abusive for a couple things I think...

1 good example is Bhaflau Remnants 2nd Floor. People have issues figuring out where the Rampart pops after killing the 4 Flans and don't know whether to choose the East or West Path (Rampart pops in one of 4 rooms I think? Something like that). With Wire Frame, you could simply look past the door and look for it (it will be within the 50' mark) before opening the door.

May be able to catch which path on first floor has the Mad Bomber NM as well. I'm not sure if that's even in range to see though.

Given that you have maps in Salvage, unlike Limbus and Dynamis, you could have just used Widescan. If I'm not mistaken, even /RNG without SJ unlocked can use Widescan.

They patched that specifically because of Salvage.

[Zigma]

I've known about game_fillmode for a very long ass time. I think they removed it in 3.2?

It's nothing special imho.

[Blabj]

To be honest, this ain't some new thing, I can vouch for it.

I saw some screenshots in the windower site detailing this feature (I found them by changing some urls around because I was bored.) I never thought any thing more than something that looked cool and hax0rish. And to be frank, it makes it harder to see what the hell you're doing with fillmode1.

[Darkblood]

Ok, I'm sure some of you know who I am. Yes I am Wiccaan from the Windower forums. I have just now registered on these forums as I never come here. To me, its just another drama fest that I avoid...

Please forgive us oh royal highness.

He sure does sound like an ass irl.

[banhero]

if you're going to cheat, call it what it is. how much shit is going to be added to windower before the denial stops and people start grouping it with mrargus where it belongs? it's not even a windower anymore, it's a cheating program that happens to runs in windowed mode.

[Correction]

if you're going to cheat, call it what it is. how much shit is going to be added to windower before the denial stops and people start grouping it with mrargus where it belongs? it's not even a windower anymore, it's a cheating program that happens to runs in windowed mode.

You're a goddamn moron.

[Eaglestrike]

if you're going to cheat, call it what it is. how much shit is going to be added to windower before the denial stops and people start grouping it with mrargus where it belongs? it's not even a windower anymore, it's a cheating program that happens to runs in windowed mode.

lol

Maybe TParty would be seen as an actual "hack" but in other games you're given a better notice of recasts (latest Windower gem) and told the distance range of your own abilities. This just offers the customization "PS2 limitations" are unable to give us.

Although I do see where in the future it would be a fully made "hack" as it stands currently it's basically everything I could want from it.

[solsovly]

if you're going to cheat, call it what it is. how much shit is going to be added to windower before the denial stops and people start grouping it with mrargus where it belongs? it's not even a windower anymore, it's a cheating program that happens to runs in windowed mode.

lol

Maybe TParty would be seen as an actual "hack" but in other games you're given a better notice of recasts (latest Windower gem) and told the distance range of your own abilities. This just offers the customization "PS2 limitations" are unable to give us.

Although I do see where in the future it would be a fully made "hack" as it stands currently it's basically everything I could want from it.

Meat vs. Sushi / War vs. Mnk vs. Nin / CoP vs ToAU / DRK / Windower vs Full Screen retardedness.