Raise 3 = Serious Business

[SassiAsura]

Didn't feel like reading 2 pages in between. but regarding OP. If the person was so close to deleveling he shouldn't have been on merit mode to begin with. And an Exp buffer should be more important for an event like dynamis (which I believe is what's referenced here) rather than merits. This war's just a crybaby and he's getting ls favoritism. Besides, there's always a bajillion merit parties exping in those areas, it's hard to believe that there wasn't a Whm nearby.

[Garret]

So maybe I'm mistaken here, but what good would an R3 even do him if he got it?

If he was that close to delevelling to begin with then chances are a couple more deaths would put him back into 74 even if he did get an R3, and if you are off to Dynamis Xarcabard there's a decent chance he'll get a couple of deaths.

Being in top form for DL should mean having enough buffer that you don't have to worry about delevelling during an important LS event.

One of our standard Dynamis LS rules has always been being able to equip the AF2 you want to lot, the only exception we do provide is if someone delevels during Dynamis we go by the level they originally entered at. Before a Xarcabard run someone was talking about lotting Pld Body, they were 74 at the time because they had delevelled weeks ago & never bothered to re-level to 75, they then threw a fit when it was pointed out they couldn't lot body since they weren't 75, so they bailed on the run to go XP instead.

That type of mentality is pretty stupid imo.

[Lordwafik]

I'm more strict than that, I tell people they're not allowed to lot even if they delevel inside from their original level they entered - if they rise and are still 74, tough, that usually keeps buffers up.

Also the fact that in manaburn, you can't get a raise2/3 due to no whms so it's RR pins for all!

[Garret]

Well that's valid too, but I feel that if people are expected to take R1's if the need calls for it that they shouldn't be penalized if they get severely screwed & lose like 10k xp in a standard Dynamis.

I don't think I've ever actually seen someone in my Dynamis LS permanently delevel during the run & then have it potentially matter for a piece of AF2 they are trying to win, so it's really more of a theoretical rule.

[Ivaden]

Also the fact that in manaburn, you can't get a raise2/3 due to no whms so it's RR pins for all!

Honestly, that's how I feel it should be in any Dynamis LS, but that's just me. People have enough time to get buffer between Dynamis runs, they should. I'm such a hypocrite saying this though because I pretty much never party until my buffer is below 10k (I'm another one of those who keeps it capped), but if my Dynamis LS would only hand out Raise 1, I'd get to party a lot more.

[Garret]

I'm obviously just a nicer person than you Wafik =P

[Scythiroth]

I'm crazy and I have never set myself to merit mode. >_> All my jobs will have capped exp all the time and no fear of levelling a job to 75 and finding out I accidently left myself in merit mode and get 0 buffer for that new 75 job.

Capped exp might be overkill on buffer, but idc, I like it being capped.

edit: Harleydragonldy is a bitch.

[aurik]

It's seriously not hard to keep your buffer up / capped if you leave yourself on xp mode. I never switch, and I'm constantly recapping from r1/r2 or even homepoints through random killing, enms, etc etc.

When I hit 75 for the first time, I switched to merits after 5k buffer and ended up delevelling in dyna a few weeks later. After that I just set it to xp mode, and the lowest I've been since then is in the low 20s, after things like dynamis-tavnazia (where the strategy twice includes me intentionally dying and homepointing, re-entering, dying and reraising).

[Silka]

I'm crazy and I have never set myself to merit mode. >_> All my jobs will have capped exp all the time and no fear of levelling a job to 75 and finding out I accidently left myself in merit mode and get 0 buffer for that new 75 job.

That's happened to me before lol ; ; When my brd first hit 75... found out I was still on merits so couldn't get a buffer. >_> Was so paranoid I'd die and delvl til I was able to go out and get a buffer lol

I started not ever setting it on merit mode and just let my buffers cap and it's so nice lol Feel so funny when not capped...

[Nystul]

I think the person obviously overreacted- but they do have a seed of sense buried under the melodramatic rantings. Perhaps I just feel indebted because of the number of times some poor friendly whm trapsed to the ass end of SSG or pso xja or Ulegeurand or whatever remote backwards spot I found to xp my beastmaster to give me a raise. But one SHOULD be willing to help out your LS mates, and to say "no one helps me I'm sitting here waiting for MY help" is kinda backwards. You give THEN you get. It's favors retunred not favors expected.

[Scythiroth]

Oh wow, just realized I said merit mode. I meant exp mode full time, stupid monday morning. ;/

No point in editing since its already quoted.

[Jeryhn]

You give THEN you get. It's favors retunred not favors expected.

One could say that goes both ways, into a paradoxal abyss where "favors" are never given, nor returned.

Anyway, fuck the guy with no buffer. Even my SMN has a capped buffer just from Besieged and free EXP scrolls on my way to Bahamut, and keeping those JS Merits active 24-7 is a good reason to do so. In fact, I probably would have went out there with a BLM subjob and cast Tractor over any Reraise effect he may have had to prove a point.

[Kuponut]

Lol, don't think ATF was ever taken seriously, even more so now that Capone stole their LS name.

[Nystul]

You give THEN you get. It's favors retunred not favors expected.

One could say that goes both ways, into a paradoxal abyss where "favors" are never given, nor returned.

One could say but then it would be the opposite of what I said. You help others, you don't sit around when asked to help and say "well, no one has done anything for me so get bent." I know that is a hyperbole as it relates to this situation but it still applies. Your job in the LS, at least from where I stand, is to help other members of your LS. If you do that, if everyone else does that, then all of a sudden things seem to happen. People are there to raise you, people are there to help you get blu spells or do KS runs or whatever the case may be. In this case, it seemed to me as if the person objected to helping out someone else because he wasn't getting the help he wanted. Let me tell you from personal experience that the more you go out of the way for others, the more others are likely to do so for you. Saying no means when you need a hand you won't get it.

[Jeryhn]

Your job in the LS, at least from where I stand, is to help other members of your LS. If you do that, if everyone else does that, then all of a sudden things seem to happen. People are there to raise you, people are there to help you get blu spells or do KS runs or whatever the case may be. In this case, it seemed to me as if the person objected to helping out someone else because he wasn't getting the help he wanted. Let me tell you from personal experience that the more you go out of the way for others, the more others are likely to do so for you. Saying no means when you need a hand you won't get it.

Ok, that's all fine and dandy.
I get the prospect of favors and was being facetious in my reply.

But to go to the extremes of threatening to kick someone from a linkshell because the dead guy out somewhere didn't get r3? What did the guy die doing in the first place? EXP? He certainly died from some mob that decided to eat him out there... Is the dead guy incapable of taking an r1 and making back the EXP with the sackholder in his party?

I know when I'm in Whitegate, there are lots of times when I'm actually doing something worthwhile or important to me, when someone in my LS might just go /sea linkshell whitegate and see me there and assume I'm doing absolutely nothing just because I'm currently in Whitegate. I know I can handle a favor or two someone might ask of me, but if the OP complained about never getting any help from his linkshell in the screenshot, it might be safe to assume that could have happened repeatedly.

Let's take a for-instance:
OP died instead of the now currently level 74 guy, and asked the LS for an r3. Would he have gotten it? The answer to this question is that we do not know, but an answer we can provide is to simply eat r1 and make up the piddily amount of EXP back.

[Sady]

My philosophy is "bring RR2 items or you're taking an R1" and I stand by it. If get KOed in a raid I don't wan't the WHMs wasting precious time/mp just minimize my exp loss... R1 isn't so base these days, they've nerfed the exp loss to a mere inconvenience and I don't mind at all. Then again, I'm not dumb and I keep my exp capped. :wink:

[Nystul]

Your job in the LS, at least from where I stand, is to help other members of your LS. If you do that, if everyone else does that, then all of a sudden things seem to happen. People are there to raise you, people are there to help you get blu spells or do KS runs or whatever the case may be. In this case, it seemed to me as if the person objected to helping out someone else because he wasn't getting the help he wanted. Let me tell you from personal experience that the more you go out of the way for others, the more others are likely to do so for you. Saying no means when you need a hand you won't get it.

Ok, that's all fine and dandy.
I get the prospect of favors and was being facetious in my reply.

But to go to the extremes of threatening to kick someone from a linkshell because the dead guy out somewhere didn't get r3? What did the guy die doing in the first place? EXP? He certainly died from some mob that decided to eat him out there... Is the dead guy incapable of taking an r1 and making back the EXP with the sackholder in his party?

I know when I'm in Whitegate, there are lots of times when I'm actually doing something worthwhile or important to me, when someone in my LS might just go /sea linkshell whitegate and see me there and assume I'm doing absolutely nothing just because I'm currently in Whitegate. I know I can handle a favor or two someone might ask of me, but if the OP complained about never getting any help from his linkshell in the screenshot, it might be safe to assume that could have happened repeatedly.

Let's take a for-instance:
OP died instead of the now currently level 74 guy, and asked the LS for an r3. Would he have gotten it? The answer to this question is that we do not know, but an answer we can provide is to simply eat r1 and make up the piddily amount of EXP back.

Yea like I said in my first post, it's entirely overblown, and the shell/sackholder whatever obviosuly overreacted. I just wanted to point out that while they did totally go off the deep end with it, the root of the issue, regarding helping others in your linkshell rather than sitting around waiting for them to help you, does ring true. Now, whether the OP did this or was unfairly denied help, etc I can't, did not, and won't comment on. I just wanted to put in that the issue isn't about the xp so much as the idea behind it. It's like if a restaraunt shorts you a dollar. I'd ask for it back. Sure, it's just a dollar big shit but...it's mine.

That being said though....reraise items are your friend. Never travel without them. RR2 is negligibly more xp loss than a 3. I go through 1-2 a week on average, sometimes more if I get in to a lot of events. A taru blm and bst that gets adventurous while soloing has made me a big time consumer of RR items.

[HAcoreRD]

Lol, don't think ATF was ever taken seriously, even more so now that Capone stole their LS name.

He claims he's reviving it with some ATF originals.

Let it die, ATF was dead when we had ATFthuggin

[BRP]

Haha, Capone

*wipes tear from eye*

[Credos]

Why didn't the SMN have RR on?

And why the fuck are they just going to get staging points now?

I've hped tons of times on my jobs because I was a dumbass and didn't use RR. I don't expect anyone to baby me when I screw up, therefore people don't expect me to baby them. While I do agree that helping out your LS mates is important, your LS mates need some sense and use RR ffs. There is no excuse not to, and it should be automatic the minute that your going anywhere that needs sneak/invis.

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