Warrior Merits

[Kaylia]

u dont need to open with steel cyclone to get hate on Fafnir as war/nin couple vokes and a couple ridills and you good to go

Yeah, you just need 15-30sec to get a good amount of hate. Not like anyone will pull hate off you in the first 15sec of the battle, unless blm are dumb enough to nuke.

You don't need to but if you have the time to build TP before hand...why wouldn't you?

Because swapping weapon for an additional 400dmg is going to save you 10sec in the end.

[NynJa]

You don't need to but if you have the time to build TP before hand...why wouldn't you?

Because swapping weapon for an additional 400dmg is going to save you 10sec in the end.

Wars rampage Fafnir for 1500 dmg now ??

Because I know 300TP Double Attacked steel cyclone will output around 1900 dmg.

[Zilong]

You don't need to but if you have the time to build TP before hand...why wouldn't you?

Because swapping weapon for an additional 400dmg is going to save you 10sec in the end.

Wars rampage Fafnir for 1500 dmg now ??

Because I know 300TP Double Attacked steel cyclone will output around 1900 dmg.

20 seconds.

[Khamsin]

The real question is: Why not?

Let's say your WAR is gimp and his 300TP Warrior's Charge Steel Cyclone only does 400 more damage than his rampage or a spirits within, and it only shaves 10 seconds off the battle or he doesn't need the extra hate. If you're going to have 300 TP anyway, it's not as if it takes any extra effort to open with Steel Cyclone rather than Rampage or Spirits Within, short of the macro to switch your weapons back. So why not?

[Kaylia]

You don't need to but if you have the time to build TP before hand...why wouldn't you?

Because swapping weapon for an additional 400dmg is going to save you 10sec in the end.

Wars rampage Fafnir for 1500 dmg now ??

Because I know 300TP Double Attacked steel cyclone will output around 1900 dmg.

If you have the condition to always reach 1900 with steelcyclone, you most likely have the condition to do 1200rampage every time. Unless I'm aiming for an epeen screenshot, I would rather use mighty strike for the last last 20-25% to get more hate and let everyone unload.

Kinda stupid to argue about dmg and hate on fafnir. Not like it's gonna change anything either way, and duration of the fight wouldnt change by a factor that matter. If you want to fight darter between interval to get your tp, go for it. I dont really care if fafnir last 30sec longuer if it can save me a couple of minutes building tp between interval. Not to mention I can't logout to do something else on my pc if I save tp.


Also, simply changing weapon is probably gonna make you miss one swing since delay is reseted, and some tp too. Considering you are on mightystrike, that's a good 200dmg+ you're missing. Hell, if it's a 5 swings attack with ridill, that's 500dmg you just missed

[NynJa]

blablabla unless blm are dumb enough to nuke.

I'm sure this extra 1900 damage hate staple will allow these blm's to nuke, instead of waiting for you to build up 100TP and rampage it.

[Kaylia]

blablabla unless blm are dumb enough to nuke.

I'm sure this extra 1900 damage hate staple will allow these blm's to nuke, instead of waiting for you to build up 100TP and rampage it.

If you engage with axe without tp and use mightystrike, your blm wont pull hate. >_> If you don't use MS and they insist on nuking before your first rampage 20sec in the fight, they are probably going to survive anyway if they have ss/blink, but it's still stupid.


I supose you are gonna tell me to build tp before genbu because it will shorten the fight by one minute? Dunno, there is time doing stuff worth the effort, but other time, it's pointless. I'm not arguing that you will do more dmg with axe, but difference just not worth the trouble.

[Kurp]

Warriors carry around Great Axes with them?

[Burginator]

Warriors carry around Great Axes with them?

I almost always carry wood/man, Byakko's Axe, Joytoy, Company Sword, Blau Dolch, and Destroyers >_>; Never know when you'll need what weapon D:

[Sadler]

Warriors carry around Great Axes with them?

I almost always carry wood/man, Byakko's Axe, Joytoy, Company Sword, Blau Dolch, and Destroyers >_>; Never know when you'll need what weapon D:

A true Warrior

I have every skill capped but Spear... not that it really matters for wars now they have Tomahawk lol

[Kurp]

I true warrior would have a Horrent Mace!

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[Sadler]

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[SassiAsura]

Warriors carry around Great Axes with them?

I almost always carry wood/man, Byakko's Axe, Joytoy, Company Sword, Blau Dolch, and Destroyers >_>; Never know when you'll need what weapon D:

I carry Seiryu's, Joyeuse, Maneater, Juggernaut (RIP), Martial Bhuj, Fortitude Axe, Rune Chopper, Byakko's Axe, Skofnung and occaisionally a crossbow... ^^;

[careswww]

or you could 1700 SS without much trouble?

Or I could save my 2hr for sometime that I actually need it?
You know, something like wing, terror, terror, terror(right when it wears off so you're terror'd for quite a long time) and it has enough time to pound you in enough to lose hate to whoever is not tanking?

[Sidanoir]

There is a difference between Genbu with 16 min ??? repop...and the 5 mins it takes people to not pass loot for it to sort cause someone always seems to afk for us...and the 30 mins between fafnir where killing a spider for a seal or something is a good way to kill time and lo and behold you can get TP in the process.
Not to mention you have to actually exert the effort to teleport down and back up to get TP at Genbu! Plus its Genbu >.> usually fighting him naked is a lot more fun than zerging him..

Even without Mighty Strikes 300 TP steel cyclone with double attack is going to do nice damage...certainly more than Rampage at 300 TP with double attack...

[Retrieving/C.D/Searain]

blablabla unless blm are dumb enough to nuke.

I'm sure this extra 1900 damage hate staple will allow these blm's to nuke, instead of waiting for you to build up 100TP and rampage it.

Because when using Ridill in off-hand, if you get lucky with multi attacks, and have Haste gear/Haste/Haste belt/march on you you'll probably get the chance to Rampage 3 times in the first 30 seconds, starting with 100% TP and you're not going to hit for 10's in between either.

When I didn't have Ridill (and I was a great fan of Axe/Axe + DA gear/merits set up) I used to open almost every fight with Steel Cyclone, I stopped doing that when I discovered what kind of a waste is losing at least a few rounds of attacks + TP + chances of an additional 2hr'ed Rampage (which is going to do 1000+ on Faf if you have at least 1 minuet on and are geared properly) when Mighty strikes is up, because your /equip and weapon switching macros are lagging due to the 50+ clusterfucked people standing around the mob and this is true for Dynamis Lord damage spike too.

Hate on damage'able stuff like Fafnir isn't an issue for a RidillWAR, if you have enough support and/or skill to keep yourself alive while DDtanking going all out on damage nobody is going to pull the mob off you regardless, unless you purposedly allow that to balance hate with your tank partners.

[Septimus]

Warriors carry around Great Axes with them?

I always carry Byakko's Axe, Fortitude Axe, Mercurial Sword, and Indra Katars along with my axe and sword goodness.

You never know when you may need them. (Or have the opportunity to skill up in the case of Mercurial Sword.)

[RKenshin]

I don't know what some people are doing but it doesn't take long to change weapons, and sure as hell doesn't take 10 seconds... Maybe like 1-2 seconds if that. It really shouldn't take you much longer to change weapons than to change equipment, and arguing that changing weapons kills your damage doesn't sound any different to me than saying changing to WS gear kills your damage, because you'll take "10 seconds" to change back to melee gear and then lose attack rounds from the stats of Heca and such.

Honestly it's really simple.. It takes a little more effort, but it's nothing you can't pull off. If needed, you can add weapons into /equip macros and it'll work fine whether you have windower or not, there's a lot of different ways to do it. I usually start off DL fights when I'm on WAR doing MS WC Steel Cyclone > change gear fast > Icarus Wing > Rampage > melee to TP > Rampage all before MS wears off unless something goes wrong (IE, sleepga getting off or shadows getting cleared, etc), yet I suppose that shouldn't be impossible?

And yeah, I usually carry around Juggernaut, Maneater, Ridill, Byakko's Axe, Martial Bhuj, Kraken Club (never use it on WAR, but people often want to borrow it at events and such ), Horrent Mace, Terra's Staff, and Algol... Versitility is my best friend.

EDIT: Forgot, to be on-topic, as said in a link here I went with 3Ber/3Agg/4DA since I'm often using a lot of different weapons on WAR, and it's just my preference. Either way it's a small difference in the end so, whichever floats your boat.

[SassiAsura]

Oh yeah, forgot terra. Although I hardly ever use it, it's more of a mocodoty (find the refrence and win a cookie)