Ullikummi Duoing

[brezick]

We have a mule sitting at ulli from time to time. So We can just keep that mule (75 BLM)idle Sunday nights, and any NM LS that goes after Ulli should hand the stone over and save us the work? I like how that works thanks.....and as already mentioned, dont make it out like they are the victim. If this is the case, I know of at least 2 other LS that they should be happy to give over Ulli stones to.

So it being that late, assuming close to the end of their time, we coulda just not Raised them, let him HP and spend 30 minutes coming back to sky? God we are so evil....

[threevo]

won't gravity start to resist on blm?

theres no reason to gravity it, it stops to cast enough where u should never get hit, even w.o gaiters

[Isiolia]

Kill in question would have been early Tuesday morning. We killed Ulli after an extended camp around 4:30am Monday morning with some competition.

Oh, well that settles it. That's FBD's farming time in the Sky pact, which I know to be true because Kupo reached an agreement with them to leave sky at 10pm on Mondays so they could farm, much the same way you guys made an arrangement with Deskjet for Sundays in the past. So I imagine we'll soon be reading the happy conclusion to this story whereby you guys return the Ulli stone to its rightful owner? :D

I think people would be happy to, provided they return the stones they farmed on your, and other LSs time, using the same arguments. Let us know when you get it 8)

[Taku]

Nobody really understands the sky pact... -_-

It was made between Kupo, Impulse, Caffeine, DestinySeekers, and two other LSes I can't quite remember at the moment... and we all picked one day to farm with Saturday as a leftover day.

The agreement was made between those LSes, and those LSes ONLY so that we would basically stay out of eachother's hair since we were the only NA sky-farming LSes at the time. And still to this day, we only farm on Tuesdays and the aforementioned LSes for the most part don't farm on Tuesdays.

That is the end of the sky pact.

What people transformed it into, is that some of the linkshells within the pact all of a sudden felt they had control of the entire zone that day. When linkshells not involved with the pact at all farmed on their day, they used this magical sky pact as an excuse to threaten them out. I have no idea what complicated schedule the newer LSes made, but I certainly didn't agree to it. I was told that we were "popping god's on decimation's god day" on Tuesday and I don't even know who they are. >_>

Thank god the gilsellers are gone at the moment though, getting uli stones every week has been nice.

[Zigma]

won't gravity start to resist on blm?

theres no reason to gravity it, it stops to cast enough where u should never get hit, even w.o gaiters

Then anything/anything can solo it. Just stick a dot on it and run around.


right?

[Masterofshade]

Monday Night/Tuesday morning? or Sunday Night/Monday Morning? And for the record, I've never liked nor respected you. 8)

And you've always been a douche loving cock-bite, but I don't get in your grill about it and remind you, cuz you so adequately manage to display it for yourself.

Hopefully Jay doesn't have as bad of a problem with you as others have had...

[Taku]

Then anything/anything can solo it. Just stick a dot on it and run around.

right?

You'd probably need some kinda weak MP regen to keep up MP for doting over the course of 2 hours.

And then as long as you have a way to prevent/heal the damage from dia/banisha, yeah you could solo it as anything.

[Angels]

Monday january 8th, 1030ish cst...
ok. i was there. plain and simple(if i get in trouble with DS over this then i get in trouble i'll take it if it means getting this shit resolved and ended):

we finished jailers on monday. we were all pissed off because we lost a 6th virtue (brez lotted and somehow ended up going to someone else when they zoned and it got lost) and the GM was being a dick about it. so a few of us decided to blow off some steam and merit/exp to get back some of the exp we lost. Other areas were busy. we went to sky. we din't really have a pty set up for deco's, we went to statues. the ONLY person there was Kris. we camped in the room you port into and we STAYED there. we never ONCE moved our pty into the open room, never invised, NOTHING. we exp'd. kris and i were talking. about 1045cstish. i asked if he had a problem with us exping. now myself, i've been told by many ls's that the general time for the NA sky pact ends at 12est. and then moves into JP time.

shortly before ulli popped, one of our ls members noticed that cyanide was up at ulli. and i know me, i was standing far enough back in the room where you come up from faust that NO ONE showed up there. no one invised themselves or used a powder...and i have ALL of my filters off. he just ... showed up...

ulli popped. our puller mentioned ulli popped and that kris and cyanide were pulling it to porter room. we kept pulling. then all of a sudden, while we were killing a statue, one blm disappears (new d/c symbol sucks btw because it looks like a person just disappears, like they're going down porters or PoS hacking) and the other is dead. We discuss what we should do. keep in mind, we're STILL in the room you pop in from faust. quick side note: we have a mule up there tryign to figure out ulli's window because the 9 hour thing once he pops is BS. so they are sitting in the porter room watching kris and cyanide). we never immediately followed them or ANYTHING. we decided since one was dead, and had not rr, and one was gone, it was fair game technically speaking. how would a weakened lvl 72 blm solo ulli after all unless they held it or hacked? we went into room, and sure enough, ulli was yellow and the blm was lying there dead. according to the person controlling the mule, the blm took 2 hits and was dead. i was nice enough and raised the dead blm as it didnt appear they had RR up. the other blm was no where in sight still. we took the claim. somewhere in the middle of the fight (not sure what ulli's percent was) kris pops back and tells us to give ulli back and not steal ulli. we killed we got stone. he died around 230est. now, based on what i was told by OTHER ls's IN the sky pact, NA sky pact time ends at 12est. to me, even though i wasn't happy about the situation because kris was threatening to post on alla and have us removed from teh sky pact, technically when we claimed we were within our rights. technically, we didn't feel they would have been able to kill ulli with 1 weakened blm and 1 not weakened blm.

ALSO: kris WAS up there alone. and by his own admission cannot kill ulli solo YET. he can get it down to roughly 40% with full mp. there was NO FBD up there. thus, the natural assumption, they are done with farming. it's a little ridiculous to try and claim your farming still when no one else from your ls is up there. and using the "our time ends at 3EST" when it's already been made known to DS that FBD NEVER goes that late and are ALWAYS done before that....

now. i talked to kris that night. for a long time. i told him i wasn't a leader and couldn't just tell ppl to give the stone back, as much as i wanted to because drama and all this bullshit isn't worth it over a stupid f'ing stone ESPECIALLY considering they just did 5 byakko's and can get 3 in a night etc etc. there are a lot of grey lines, misunderstandings and misinformation given out that make it all sketchy. i told him to talk to the leaders. he asked who they were, i told him who the leaders were, and told him to start with brezick. so he told me he wouldn't do anything about posting or saying anythign to anyone until he spoke to DS leaders. 2 days go by and the ONLY leader he has tried to contact is Brezick. and every day, he sends me a tell asking if i had heard anything. i tell him that they are discussing it. i'm not a leader i do not have privy to their conversations. i told him i didn't think he was really putting in an effort to contact the leaders if he was only trying to brezick tells. we do have other leaders after all. he had not made an effort to go to our forums and PM the leaders, in fact he said "i don't have the website i dont' have those kind of contacts" and any leader of any sky/hnm/sea ls would know that our website is posted ont eh sky pact thread with everyone elses.

NOW i'm being told that Kara is tryign to get involved. FBDis threatening to take up to 30 ppl and overcamp us on our time to teach us a lesson. they have threatened to "talk to the other pact leaders" to have us removed and/or see about having us removed from the pact. whereas we weren't INTENTIONALLY campign on their time and considering only ONE PERSON was up there, they want to INTENTIONALLY come and over camp us with another ls that isn't even involved in this.

and Kris, if you want to post all our conversations from monday and last night fine. idrc at this point in time. yes i felt bad, yes i would have loved to have returned the stupid f/ing stone if only to quelch all this BS. i explained to kris that nothing has been decided so why woudl we contact him if nothing has been decided?

for as long as i have been in DS we have always tried to be courteous to other ls's on their sky time by even offering assistance to other ls's if we notice they are short in numbers etc. DJ was attempting jormy for the first time and instead of just rush claiming it when they wiped we helped them recover and they took another go at it. how else will they learn unless they are given a chance at it? our leaders have always made it clear that we are to stay back from ppl killing faf or KB or whatver and not crowd minus the couple ppl that can keep us informed on what's going on.

in this case, we didn't even try to claim ulli immediately. kris wasn't even there when we finally DID claim. there was only a dead lvl 72 blm that received a raise by me because i was trying to be nice and give him a R3 since he was only lvl 72(exp becomes very precious when you are tryign to reach 75 on a job).

we have offered our assistance to euph and impulse in killing ulli. we have never intentionally tried to steal ulli from any LEGIT ls. RMT maybe, but then again, who doesn't try to steal from RMT.

again, there are a lot of grey lines. misinformation, misunderstandings, etc. to come back from not being there and just right out tell us not to steal ulli when technically we were in the right upon claiming (because again, what could a lvl 72 blm do weakened when there is NO ONE ELSE from his ls in sky to come help him?).

dragging other ls's and other ppl into this is totally unnecessary. if they want to threaten us by taking kara and overcmaping us, that makes them absolutely no better than what they perceive us to be, ESPECIALLY since they would be doing it INTENTIONALLY. i've been told that FBD does not tolerate drama, it's even under their charter. they try to keep a clean name to themselves etc. realistically, it would look MUCH better upon FBD if you just took it as a shitty incident, and walked away with your heads up high. because all this is really doing is CREATING EXCESSIVE DRAMA because NOW, you're dragging other ls's into it that aren't even involved. ALSO, your ls PURPOSELY called for help on unger at 10% when they knew they were going to wipe simply because DS was there and things are strained between the two ls's right now. all this does, is result in shit spiraling out of control.

so, i've said my 100 pieces. this is ALL i'm going to say, so have at it all you want. post the conversations. idc. all this shit IS NOT F/ING WORTH IT. nuff said.

/huggles to everyone on pandy.

[threevo]

won't gravity start to resist on blm?

theres no reason to gravity it, it stops to cast enough where u should never get hit, even w.o gaiters

Then anything/anything can solo it. Just stick a dot on it and run around.


right?

ive gotten a statue to 50% as drk/nin just dot kiting it around after parade gorget was introduced, but the room is glitched and to mobs go passive and unclaimed so easily stolen, and if your in the wrong spot the porter gives you the "you cannot see target" message when u attempt to reclaim it. Its not fast, or efficient, but it can be done easily

[brezick]

See, i got others to do the 7/8th of Alve's posts (I havent read yet)....

[Khamsin]

See, i got others to do the 7/8th of Alve's posts (I havent read yet)....

I think angelseyes' was 1/2 of an alveh post right there.

[Angels]

well you DID say i was your secretary brez

[Palin]

If it was FBD's farm time, how do you know Kris wasn't getting more people to come up and kill Ulli? Its not like its a rare occurance for shells to finishing everything but Ulli and leave a person or a group up there soley for Ulli. If Kris wanted to solo it, thats his choice, its their farm time, they can kill it or attempt to kill it however they want. You guys were in the wrong to jack it during their farm time, whether or not they wiped, its still their perogative to it.

Edit: This should be Alla drama or have been dealt with in /tells, bringing this to BG under a topic like this is stupid.

[Griselda]

/stirs the pot gently

(Hey I'm Griselda, from Impulse on Pandy server /wave~)

In regards to having small numbers in the Ulli room... I have duo'd statues in there with another member of my ls so we could get a head start on farming sky that day and yes, I consider us two as representing my whole linkshell. We didn't kill at a fast rate but we made progress and had arrived about 1.5 hours before our farming time, a time which doesn't interfere with the farming time of other linkshells in the pact or not. Ironically another LS in the pact who doesn't even farm that day came and killed the Ulli that popped and it took us five hours to pop it again. -_-;

We are very much a working man's linkshell... we have very small numbers during the day and a heavy PST member base but if my LS can only muster up 2 people or even one, it is of our concern not yours. Kris, from the little I've seen, is capable of handling Ulli perhaps not solo but a duo certainly so that shouldn't be an issue. How would you have known if FBD was lacking in numbers that particular night or if people were pre-occupied and were going to be a bit late? Some linkshells farm very early in the day or very late... there are linkshells out there that are EU so be mindful of that as well. Yes it is awfully confusing and frustrating dealing with linkshells who weren't part of the original pact but at the same time, it isn't too difficult to obtain the necessary information on who farms when and such.

Maybe I'm also naive in thinking this but why did DS have an xp party in the Ulli room? I could have understood it on Monday night but why Tuesday afternoon? Merit camps at that hour of the day aren't that hard to find so again, why the Ulli room? I was thankful and appreciative that DS offered to help claim Ulli for us (against the gilsellers that later left anyway) but it concerns me a bit that your LS had people there in the first place. Xping in the Ulli room indicates to me there was some expectation or hope of popping it. Also that party was in the hallway to the porter and not in the room you zone into (referring to two posts above mine).

I would just like some clarification on the issue and while there wasn't any drama, I would like to avoid it at the same time. While we have been lucky in getting stones lately, it is very frustrating when people pop Ulli an hour or 30 minutes before we get there - yes we can get the other pops but we aim to be efficient in what we choose to get pops for. It's annoying to have the Ulli pop delayed by another LS but zomg, it's not like Ulli is going anywhere. I think people forget how lucky our server has been with the SE bannings - so why the mad rush for stones? Be thankful and remember to be courteous, we're lucky we have the pact in the first place.

[Angels]

no gris. when we were there late monday night we were in teh room you pop into. i wasn't referring to whenever DS was there tues. i'm talking about when we were there on monday night/tuesday morning early.

[Delekii]

won't gravity start to resist on blm?

Gravity is irrelevent, Porter pathing means you have ample time to DoT, if nothing else that is enough. If you are good you can low tier nuke aswell.

And threads that imply they are about something that they really arent are very annoying - this is a drama thread dressed like an ugly drag queen. Kris should have taken it up directly with you directly really..

In any event, the fact that Kris was in the area should be enough for you to just atleast say "sorry, we fucked up", if not even give the stone back, for the sake of the sanctity of the pact. Even if he cant kill it solo, it was his farm time and he is entitled to do whatever the hell he wants with it for as long as he wants - it only takes 10 minutes to get to Ulli now.

[Falaras]

Well, on our server(pandy) there is a NA sky pact where every shell has set hours to farm freely w/o competition (unless JP show up) so there is the possibility of killing solo w/o others there.

HAHAHAHAHAHA...................wait are you serious?
You'll never find a empty ulli, Ulli basically doesn't count in the sky pact, any LS will screw any LS over while any mob turns yellow here.

[ringly]

ok, I have really been trying not to respond to this retarded post. here are a few facts, kris says there time slot ends at 3am est, seems to me though, he isnt really sure himself.(FBD website info)

also, ulli was down at 3:34 am est for any of you folks not in ds or fbd that would like to get involved.(nice way of me saying mind yofb)

[Delekii]

Well, on our server(pandy) there is a NA sky pact where every shell has set hours to farm freely w/o competition (unless JP show up) so there is the possibility of killing solo w/o others there.

HAHAHAHAHAHA...................wait are you serious?
You'll never find a empty ulli, Ulli basically doesn't count in the sky pact, any LS will screw any LS over while any mob turns yellow here.

I think that youll find that apart from the occasional misunderstanding such as seen in this thread, the majority of the shells in the pact respect the times of the majority of other shells the majority of the time - I know that people in Kupo get actively told not to go to Ulli camp outside of our time when it is suggested in linkshell chat.

[careswww]

some JP solo'd ulli a few times without losing claim on it back in the day when there were only 12 GS instead of 230 in ullis aery.
Not sure if he had gaiters though