When did FFXI jump the shark?

[Khamsin]

Potential to limit 3 Kings "exclusive" gear to ridill and d. ring.

Don't forget Black belt.

Black Belt isn't limited to 3 Kings, I didn't forget it, its not.

297 Kindred Seals can get you a Black Belt. 297 Kindred Seals will not get you a Ridill or D. Ring.

Don't forget E.Body, M.Body, A.Body. No amount of Assault Points, Kindred Seals, invisible NMs, or Limbus or Dynamis runs will get you those. Something similar, maybe, but they're still exclusive.

[Jeryhn]

Potential to limit 3 Kings "exclusive" gear to ridill and d. ring.

Don't forget Black belt.

Black Belt isn't limited to 3 Kings, I didn't forget it, its not.

297 Kindred Seals can get you a Black Belt. 297 Kindred Seals will not get you a Ridill or D. Ring.

Don't forget E.Body, M.Body, A.Body. No amount of Assault Points, Kindred Seals, invisible NMs, or Limbus or Dynamis runs will get you those. Something similar, maybe, but they're still exclusive.

He meant exclusive in the sense that there's nothing comparable, which for Ridill and Defending Ring, there are not. For everything else, there is.

[NynJa]

Who the fuck cares about M.Body ??

[Lordender]

This game has a long way to go before its even close to being balanced SE still has jobs that are left back in 2004, 2h weapons are still broke and forcing drk and drg to sub sam to get the best out of them was a lame way to go about it, nice they gave /sam a defensive ability though. I think BST is another one of those jobs that got left behind but then again they could still adjust this stuff in future patches.

Absorb-tp concept is nice but it fails horribly on HNM's.

[Terrance]

Release of CoP. Expansion was released LONG after Zilart and the lazy Japanese developers did not include the entire expansion right ouf of the box but took over a year to patch in a meager amount of content. Also CoP should have freed people from doing old content and given them new things to do, but it didn't, Kings was not obsoleted like it should have been. Release of ToAU is looking like a rerun.

[Jeryhn]

Expansion was released LONG after Zilart and the lazy Japanese developers did not include the entire expansion right ouf of the box but took over a year to patch in a meager amount of content.

All of the expansions, and the original game itself, have been treated this way.

[Ryko]

That's the way any recent worthwhile MMO to date that actually comes with a disk has been released.

[shihei]

/points at the broken platform that people can cheat, bot, hack, etc from.

[Zigma]

/points at the broken platform that people can cheat, bot, hack, etc from.

where you been fag

[Khamsin]

/points at the broken platform that people can cheat, bot, hack, etc from.

/points at the broken platform whose memory is too limiting.

[Luke]

Gaiters not worth it? That's probably the most useful item that came from CoP. Even in this shitty economy, you can get ~65M for them.

[Sagacious Sundi]

All CoP wyrm loot sucks, I'll fight them any day for fun, though.

Actually all CoP wyrm loot except for Ouryu and Bahamut, they actually got that one right.

I think Bahamut classifies as an avatar. So, since a lot of drama and controversy surrounds Fafhogg, and since a lot of people have bad luck with Cloud Evokers, I think it's safe to say that "lolwyrms" has a lot more truth than most "loljokes". Exceptions including, but not limited to, lolsash and lolpup. But, I guess Bahamut is to blame since he is the Wyrmking. Plus, your luck with Cloud Evokers also affects you fighting Bahamut.

(Mr. Completelyoriginalgenericwyrmname and Cynoprosopi are not included 'cuz I said so.)

[Septimus]

Potential to limit 3 Kings "exclusive" gear to ridill and d. ring.

Don't forget Black belt.

Black Belt isn't limited to 3 Kings, I didn't forget it, its not.

297 Kindred Seals can get you a Black Belt. 297 Kindred Seals will not get you a Ridill or D. Ring.

Don't forget E.Body, M.Body, A.Body. No amount of Assault Points, Kindred Seals, invisible NMs, or Limbus or Dynamis runs will get you those. Something similar, maybe, but they're still exclusive.

That was only part of the quote.

- "Salvage", while I wish it were more like the original dynamis, that is, you enter with all of your gear and simply strategically clear the zone, has the saving grace of eventually rewarding players with gear that not only rivals 3 King gear, but in a lot of instances surpasses it. Potential to limit 3 Kings "exclusive" gear to ridill and d. ring.

The Morrigan's Robe drags Dalmatica out behind the bar, beats the snot out of it, then takes a huge dump on it.

[Khamsin]

Potential to limit 3 Kings "exclusive" gear to ridill and d. ring.

Don't forget Black belt.

Black Belt isn't limited to 3 Kings, I didn't forget it, its not.

297 Kindred Seals can get you a Black Belt. 297 Kindred Seals will not get you a Ridill or D. Ring.

Don't forget E.Body, M.Body, A.Body. No amount of Assault Points, Kindred Seals, invisible NMs, or Limbus or Dynamis runs will get you those. Something similar, maybe, but they're still exclusive.

That was only part of the quote.

- "Salvage", while I wish it were more like the original dynamis, that is, you enter with all of your gear and simply strategically clear the zone, has the saving grace of eventually rewarding players with gear that not only rivals 3 King gear, but in a lot of instances surpasses it. Potential to limit 3 Kings "exclusive" gear to ridill and d. ring.

The Morrigan's Robe drags Dalmatica out behind the bar, beats the snot out of it, then takes a huge dump on it.

The only problem with Morrigan's Robe is that Refresh is the only stat on there that does anything for you. At least Dalmatica has MDB and Resist Paralyze... it's not much, but it at least does something.

Unless you mean to suggest a RDM would actually enfeeble in Morrigan's Robe and not Errant/Mahatma Houppelande.

[shihei]

/points at the broken platform that people can cheat, bot, hack, etc from.

/points at the broken platform whose memory is too limiting.

yea well that is nto when it jusmped the shark in my eyes........
that was when the shark was born....
anyway lol at ps2limitations ppl
that was an excuse about inventory limitations and they even said they werer working around it, which they did. hi2u mog lockers after the fact.

[Jeryhn]

The only problem with Morrigan's Robe is that Refresh is the only stat on there that does anything for you. At least Dalmatica has MDB and Resist Paralyze... it's not much, but it at least does something.

Unless you mean to suggest a RDM would actually enfeeble in Morrigan's Robe and not Errant/Mahatma Houppelande.

I wouldn't enfeeble in anything besides my Warlock's Tabard +1 unless it was Slow or Paralyze.

+5 MDB on RDM isn't too thrilling because of our natural MDB trait + Stoneskin + Phalanx + Barspells and lolResist traits. An RDM would wear Dalmatica for the precise reason he'd wear the Morrigan's Robe... for Refresh.

[shihei]

/points at the broken platform that people can cheat, bot, hack, etc from.

where you been fag

all around the world :wink:
i will tell you if you PROMISE to not get mad, laugh and/or make fun of me.......

[Septimus]

The Morrigan's Robe drags Dalmatica out behind the bar, beats the snot out of it, then takes a huge dump on it.

The only problem with Morrigan's Robe is that Refresh is the only stat on there that does anything for you. At least Dalmatica has MDB and Resist Paralyze... it's not much, but it at least does something.

Unless you mean to suggest a RDM would actually enfeeble in Morrigan's Robe and not Errant/Mahatma Houppelande.

Unless something has changed recently the resist traits from armor is very weak, weak to the point of nigh non-existence.

And who said I was talking only about Red Mage? Plus 8 INT and plus 5 MAB and refresh effect is hot for Black Mages. And who says I am only talking about HNMs and such? Plus 5 ATT and plus 8 STR and refresh effect is hot for solo.

I would suggest casting enfeebles in Morrigan's Robe before I would suggest casting them in Dalmatica witch does absolutely nothing for your casting abilities. Sure Errant is better for enfeebles, but if I had Morrigan's Robe and Crimson Scale Mail, I would dump it in a heart beat and never look back.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

How can anyone argue that morrigan's body is hands down a ton better than any other single bodypiece, by far, for the jobs that can equip it (yet to see if BLU AF body is better, and I have my doubts about the common 'Blue Magic Skill>*' theory.)

[Khamsin]

I wouldn't enfeeble in anything besides my Warlock's Tabard +1 unless it was Slow or Paralyze.

Well, I meant enfeebling in errant in situations where you would enfeeble with a MND build. Naturally, things like Silence, Gravity, Bind, Sleep etc. are a +skill/m.acc deal. Speaking of Warlock's Tabard +1, does that have anything on it worth upgrading for? I have a RDM set of materials, but I can't think of anything worth upgrading. It has the same amount of +enfeebling skill on it, and no MND or anything so I never really gave any thought to upgrading the body.

Unless something has changed recently the resist traits from armor is very weak, weak to the point of nigh non-existence.

And who said I was talking only about Red Mage? Plus 8 INT and plus 5 MAB and refresh effect is hot for Black Mages. And who says I am only talking about HNMs and such? Plus 5 ATT and plus 8 STR and refresh effect is hot for solo.

I would suggest casting enfeebles in Morrigan's Robe before I would suggest casting them in Dalmatica witch does absolutely nothing for your casting abilities. Sure Errant is better for enfeebles, but if I had Morrigan's Robe and Crimson Scale Mail, I would dump it in a heart beat and never look back.

I only threw the MDB and Resist Paralyze out there because it has a chance of doing something sometime, if only a small insignificant percentage of the time you wear it. +MND/INT/acc/atk/MAB/etc. doesn't do anything unless you enfeeble, nuke, or whack something with it on.

For enfeebling, mahatma houppelande will give you higher +MND/INT.

For nuking, I'd almost rather use Nashira Manteel or lolchasuble due to RDM's low elemental magic skill, though if you aren't getting resisted, Morrigan's Robe is best, I suppose.

For melee, pahluwan and SH surpass morrigan's on accuracy, Assault Jerkin surpasses it on attack, and Akinji Peti surpasses it on both (not counting the STR). Though you are right, for meleeing with refresh on, nothing beats Morrigan. That is a detail I hadn't thought of.

So I suppose you are right, in that Morrigan will give you more uses than Dalmatica. I guess it just bothers me that it has +MND/INT that will never be used (by a RDM).