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    Samurai Weaponskills: STR+ versus ATK+

    EDIT: See page 4 for REAL fakenumbers.

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    Lots of numbers ;o Glad I'm decent at math. That's pretty cool though.. so as far as the +STR Build for SAM.. Hauby > Hachiman ;; I like WS'ing in Hachiman..

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    What do you all think?
    Need more simple drawing for people like me.


    Seriously, those result are pretty interesting. It's nice to see hachiman is never the right option, and that every sam tp'ing/Ws'ing with it should be shot. I thought it was obvious, but 95% of the sam out there don't seem to think so.


    Difference between osode/hauby isnt large enough in most situation to bother getting one. The 10acc/5dex is quite helpful if you are not /TA'ing.

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    I still love WSing in the Hachiman. It does look sexy and has decent stats to boot, but as he said.. if he's all right about the calculations and made no mistakes.. and the Hauby will always outdamage the Hachiman ;; Damn. May need to sell that thing off eh? I'll do some testing too in Dynamis or something.. and yeah. Haubergeon is the way I go either way when I'm Trick Attacking, but when I SATA or SA.. I usually use the Hachiman cause I've always though it'd do more damage. x.x

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    uhoh, a topic about sam WS's...wheres Chiz ?

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    [Trick Attack with Assassin] is 100% critical hit on 1st hit yes, but its not 100% chance to hit. rofl >.>.. go go Samurai WS debate.

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    This thread is making me emo. The only reason I have an osode if for my SAM's WS set...

    Well, i'm not going to jump to conclusions. Let's wait and see what the other mathematicians have to say. I'd really love to see some test results and screen shots now as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akiyama
    I'll do some testing too in Dynamis or something.. and yeah.
    Granted the ideal way to verify this would be to test it out in game, but I unfortunately don't have the time and gil to buy all these items

    I think an exhaustive test of the different armors against rabbits like Rukenshin does would probably be the best test, but I like doing math for 30 minutes while in Besieged, not wasting hours of my precious FF time;;

    And again, like I said this is ignoring the benefit of the accuracy on the Hauby, just targeting stat-boosts.


    edit: And agreed on the [email protected];; thing if true... I'm approaching the top of the list for an osode for myself finally, instead I think I might get Haidate <.<;
    Gotta work in the morning, going to sleep now ~

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    I've a question. What's the difference between Alk/Pallas/O.kote on WS?

    If byrnie is slightly better than osode, does that mean o.kote is on par with alk in most case?

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    Take care. Good math and calculations though dude. ;o As far as my WS gear goes, may have to evaluate it better now ;;.
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    Gogo possibly waiting to sell the Hachiman. x.x I'd miss it way to much T_T

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    I vote posting this on the sam alla boards to see how many heads explode.

    Side note, which WS is the one being used, or is it a "generic" WS? Some WS modifiers make for some <.> modifiers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Akiyama
    Take care. Good math and calculations though dude. ;o As far as my WS gear goes, may have to evaluate it better now ;;.
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    Gogo possibly waiting to sell the Hachiman. x.x I'd miss it way to much T_T
    Then don't sell it. Who fucking cares what other people say... the difference is very negligible at best anyway

    If its just gonna make you emo, don't do it haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylia
    I've a question. What's the difference between Alk/Pallas/O.kote on WS?

    If byrnie is slightly better than osode, does that mean o.kote is on par with alk in most case?
    I think that would fall under the first test I did, STR+40 vs. ATK+40. Meaning, Gigas > O.kote.

    ie: STR+11:

    (75 + (60+11 - 75 + 9)/2 + .83(.75)(60+11) ) * 2.5 * (371/300 - .15)
    = 330.6

    ATK+20 instead:

    (75 + (60 - 75 + 10)/2 + .83(.75)(60) ) * 2.5 * (391/300 - .15)
    = 316



    Gigas > O.kote on WS.

    edit:
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost_Wheel22
    Side note, which WS is the one being used, or is it a "generic" WS? Some WS modifiers make for some <.> modifiers
    It's for Yukikaze, Gekko, or Kasha. They all have the same modifiers. If you're level 75 and you're using a different WS, you're an idiot.


    Actually going to sleep now, I'll answer questions tomorrow

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost_Wheel22
    I vote posting this on the sam alla boards to see how many heads explode.

    Side note, which WS is the one being used, or is it a "generic" WS? Some WS modifiers make for some <.> modifiers
    all 3 of the big single hit Sam ws's are 75% str modifiers, so I don't think it matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterio
    Quote Originally Posted by Akiyama
    Take care. Good math and calculations though dude. ;o As far as my WS gear goes, may have to evaluate it better now ;;.
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    Gogo possibly waiting to sell the Hachiman. x.x I'd miss it way to much T_T
    Then don't sell it. Who fucking cares what other people say... the difference is very negligible at best anyway

    If its just gonna make you emo, don't do it haha
    I agree to a degree. The WS set seems to be right on. (in terms of what I thought was right before this thread) If this thread if correct though, he likely has a haub for TP build anyway that he could just keep wearing during WS.

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    Enter chiz to say they're different even though they're the same, and everything you know is wrong. Including TA 100% accuracy on normal hits.

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    That'd be pretty hillarious. "WTFUX OSODE IS BETTAR GOD! NOOBS!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Konchuu
    Quote Originally Posted by Mysterio
    Quote Originally Posted by Akiyama
    Take care. Good math and calculations though dude. ;o As far as my WS gear goes, may have to evaluate it better now ;;.
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    Gogo possibly waiting to sell the Hachiman. x.x I'd miss it way to much T_T
    Then don't sell it. Who fucking cares what other people say... the difference is very negligible at best anyway

    If its just gonna make you emo, don't do it haha
    I agree to a degree. The WS set seems to be right on. (in terms of what I thought was right before this thread) If this thread if correct though, he likely has a haub for TP build anyway that he could just keep wearing during WS.
    Yeah I do have a Hauby, lol. I was just saying it would make me sad is because it's really sexy to look at in my opinion. Wasn't gonna make me emo though Lol. It'd save me trouble on macro issues though as I don't use the Windower+Macro system.

    Thanks for the agreement though on the WS set. I try my best.


    Edit: Double post ftl -.-

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    Don't you guys get it?!! He's trying to bump the price of Byrnie up!!!

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    for single hit WSs it seems attk has quite an effect on SAM weaponskills, Neither Myself or Ruke have finished our testing, and neither of us have bothered with anything other than conventional sam ws gear, but if I had to guess based on my data I'd say you'd be correct mabye for Yuki but completely wrong for gekko, coulden't give you accurate info on kaiten tho.

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