WHM Melee random crap

[Zarath]

It might be but it's small compared to my 110 DMG coffinmaker + steel bullets :D

But it looks like u need about 4-5 ATK+ for each +1STR to be more worthwhile.

I spent all morning at work writing down every damage calc I could find to hopefully better understand wtf is going on.

I'm still fucking clueless.

WS Base Damage = floor(( Weapon Base Damage + (Ammo Damage) + fSTR(2) + WSC ) * fTP)
WS Damage = WS Base Damage * pDIF

Using this formula:

(floor(( Weapon Base Damage + fSTR + WSC ) * fTP)) * pDif

Constants are fTP and WBD

(floor(57 + fSTR + WSC) * 2.75) * pDif

Can be further extended with pDif = ((atk/defence) - lvldiff * 0.05)

So...

(floor(57 + fSTR + WSC) * 2.75) * ((atk/defence) - lvldiff * 0.05)

First we'll see how much DMG we can get though Weapon Base Damage

(floor(156.75 + (2.75 * .25 * STR) + (2.75 * .4 * MND + 2.75 * .4 * STR))) * pDif
(floor(156.75 + 0.6875 * STR + 1.1 * MND + 1.1 * STR) * pDif
(floor(156.75 + 1.7875s + 1.1m) * pDif

So with that we can assume each STR increase in turns gains 1.7875 DMG where is every MND increase is 1.1 DMG so it's a you'll require 3 MND for every 2 STR you put in (verrrrrry roughly but it's in the ballpark range of plausibility for gear choices)

With that being said, how much is actually needed for each increase in atk to match that of STR's DMG mod

Assuming 300 defence mob

157 * p = 1.7875
p = .011

A/300 = .011
A = 3.3 ATK increase per STR increase (roughly... since STR also affects pDif as well, but more or less at most it'll be a 3.5 increase per STR increase)

So... each atk is approximately has a 7ATK to 2 STR collation. However this collation is based purely on the defense of the mob, the lower the Defence the more higher ATK+ has an effect on Weapon Skill Damage.

So... with all that bullshit:
every 3 MND = 2 STR
and
every 7ATK = 2STR
(Note this is really rough numbers but since it's choosing over gear, this should be pretty much come as a valid rule for all gear choices if it's good for Rand or not)

Which is what I assumed after number crunching the back pieces.

However this is purely only WS damage wise. If anyone wishes to correct my math, please do so lol.

[Max™]

WS Damage = WD * PDIF = ((D + fSTR + WSC) * fTP) * PDIF

1h Weapons don't get fSTR2 like Ranged does, small point but I think you fixed it in the later calculations.

So, looks like 7 Mnd would outweigh less than 5 Str at low attack then, roughly, should answer the Vsallet vs Healers +1 question huh?

Interesting thing about that, Aqua Rings are 5 Mnd 2 Str, if you already have them, they're nearly equivalent to Flame rings for Randgrith.

Wanna post your WS setup?

[Izzy]

WS Damage = WD * PDIF = ((D + fSTR + WSC) * fTP) * PDIF

1h Weapons don't get fSTR2 like Ranged does, small point but I think you fixed it in the later calculations.

So, looks like 7 Mnd would outweigh less than 5 Str at low attack then, roughly, should answer the Vsallet vs Healers +1 question huh?

Interesting thing about that, Aqua Rings are 5 Mnd 2 Str, if you already have them, they're nearly equivalent to Flame rings for Randgrith.

Wanna post your WS setup?

in order from left to right/top to bottom:

Tiphia Sting
Voyager Sallet
Breeze Gorget
Brutal Earring
Minuet Earring
Tabin Jupon +1
Healer's Mitts +1
Triumph Ring
Rajas Ring
Royal Army Mantle
Potent Belt
Blessed Trousers
Creek M Clomps

Thinking of replacing:
Voyager > Healers
Minuet > Spike
Royal Army Mantle > Bellicose Mantle

[Cream Soda]

WS Damage = WD * PDIF = ((D + fSTR + WSC) * fTP) * PDIF

1h Weapons don't get fSTR2 like Ranged does, small point but I think you fixed it in the later calculations.

So, looks like 7 Mnd would outweigh less than 5 Str at low attack then, roughly, should answer the Vsallet vs Healers +1 question huh?

Interesting thing about that, Aqua Rings are 5 Mnd 2 Str, if you already have them, they're nearly equivalent to Flame rings for Randgrith.

Wanna post your WS setup?

in order from left to right/top to bottom:

Tiphia Sting
Voyager Sallet
Breeze Gorget
Brutal Earring
Minuet Earring
Tabin Jupon +1
Healer's Mitts +1
Triumph Ring
Rajas Ring
Royal Army Mantle
Potent Belt
Blessed Trousers
Creek M Clomps

Thinking of replacing:
Voyager > Healers
Minuet > Merman's
Royal Army Mantle > Bellicose Mantle

k its fixed

[Izzy]

oh yea ROFL

[Izzy]

I finished testing on the WS. The results are here: http://wiki.bluegartr.com/Randgrith

100%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 20 sec.
200%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 40 sec.
300%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 60 sec.

[Max™]

Minuet vs Mermans is easy, go Attack.
Healers should edge out Vsallet as the numbers show.
R.K. though, vs 6 attack is a little harder to tell.

Another thing to look at for more attack whoring, Smart Grenade.

[Rena]

I finished testing on the WS. The results are here: http://wiki.bluegartr.com/Randgrith

100%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 20 sec.
200%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 40 sec.
300%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 60 sec.

The description of the WS makes it sound like it both lowers evasion of the target and raises accuracy of the wielder, is this not true? If so, +20 accuracy is kinda disappointing.

[Amele]

I finished testing on the WS. The results are here: http://wiki.bluegartr.com/Randgrith

100%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 20 sec.
200%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 40 sec.
300%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 60 sec.

The description of the WS makes it sound like it both lowers evasion of the target and raises accuracy of the wielder, is this not true? If so, +20 accuracy is kinda disappointing.

20 accuracy is 10% hit rate. that's pretty big no matter how you slice it honestly.

[Rena]

I finished testing on the WS. The results are here: http://wiki.bluegartr.com/Randgrith

100%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 20 sec.
200%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 40 sec.
300%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 60 sec.

The description of the WS makes it sound like it both lowers evasion of the target and raises accuracy of the wielder, is this not true? If so, +20 accuracy is kinda disappointing.

20 accuracy is 10% hit rate. that's pretty big no matter how you slice it honestly.

It's disappointing because it's not much of an improvement (accuracy-wise) over other setups, if an improvement at all... I was hoping it'd allow you to eat meat easier on things like colibri. You probably could do so with limited success if you off-hand a seawolf cudgel, but it has such horrible DPS.

[Charismatic]

IZZY!!

I wasn't going to say anything, but my brain can't take it anymore.
edit the title man... It's melee!!!

[Izzy]

IZZY!!

I wasn't going to say anything, but my brain can't take it anymore.
edit the title man... It's melee!!!

Done lol.

Also, the +20 Accuracy is NOT including the -evasion on the mob. Technically after the WS, I should have somewhere around +40 accuracy if I'm still fighting the same mob.

[Amele]

I finished testing on the WS. The results are here: http://wiki.bluegartr.com/Randgrith

100%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 20 sec.
200%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 40 sec.
300%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 60 sec.

The description of the WS makes it sound like it both lowers evasion of the target and raises accuracy of the wielder, is this not true? If so, +20 accuracy is kinda disappointing.

20 accuracy is 10% hit rate. that's pretty big no matter how you slice it honestly.

It's disappointing because it's not much of an improvement (accuracy-wise) over other setups, if an improvement at all... I was hoping it'd allow you to eat meat easier on things like colibri. You probably could do so with limited success if you off-hand a seawolf cudgel, but it has such horrible DPS.

whitemage *is* A B+ we're not likely eating meat on an exp mob regardless of how sick the ws is. *shrugs*

[Rena]

I can reach ~70% acc rate on colibri... with Mjollnir/kraken, assuming Randgrith gives +20 acc/-20 eva, that'd make for ~80% acc, which would be enough to start eating meat.

[Amele]

I can reach ~70% acc rate on colibri... with Mjollnir/kraken, assuming Randgrith gives +20 acc/-20 eva, that'd make for ~80% acc, which would be enough to start eating meat.

20 acc and 20 evasion would be 90% accuracy (just 20 acc is 80%) but are you reaching 70% with sushi? without the sushi you'd be at ~55% if you are.

[Rena]

Sorry, that includes 20 acc from weapons, which you wouldn't get with relic/KC, I should have mentioned. And no, that's with no food whatsoever.

67 DEX as mithra, 272 skill, 62 acc from equipment, makes for 359 total acc. Level 82 colibri have 339 evasion, add 7*4 due to level correction, is 367, with acc equaling evasion meaning a 75% hit rate, and a difference of 8 acc less than evasion, that comes out to 71% accuracy. The times I've tested, that's roughly what I got, give or take a percent or two.

[Amele]

Sorry, that includes 20 acc from weapons, which you wouldn't get with relic/KC, I should have mentioned. And no, that's with no food whatsoever.

67 DEX as mithra, 272 skill, 62 acc from equipment, makes for 359 total acc. Level 82 colibri have 339 evasion, add 7*4 due to level correction, is 367, with acc equaling evasion meaning a 75% hit rate, and a difference of 8 acc less than evasion, that comes out to 71% accuracy. The times I've tested, that's roughly what I got, give or take a percent or two.

yeah, ok. I agree with your values.

[Fredjan]

I finished testing on the WS. The results are here: http://wiki.bluegartr.com/Randgrith

100%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 20 sec.
200%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 40 sec.
300%: 2.75 Damage Multiplier / Accuracy +20 for 60 sec.

Moreso of a lurker but I just saw this.

Good info to know. I'm upgrading this myself and I had been wondering about its increased accuracy.
Even have this >.> http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/h...7/Fragment.png

I find WHM melee to be pretty fun sometimes not to mention Mjollnir's been a goal of mine for a long time since starting WHM, regardless of the relic's usefulness overall (which I admit to be limited). Grats on it, hope you're enjoying it so far and I hope to enjoy it myself.

In before someone notices my Bard's level and asks why I'm upgrading Mjollnir over Gjallarhorn - and here's some fun trivia: My BRD wasn't even 10 when I got Dynamis Maul.

[Izzy]

Yo!

Ok, I have a hypothetical question. Below is my current gear setup.

Mjollnir           Kraken            Blank                 Tiphia Sting
Walahra Turban     Prudence Torque   Suppanomimi           Merman's Earring (Brutal if not using Kraken)
Goliard Saio       Blessed Mitts +1  Snipers Ring +1       Snipers Ring +1
Bellicose Mantle   Swift Belt        Blessed Trousers +1   Blessed Pumps +1

Now, lets say by some act of god I got a Ninurta's Sash. I would be at 28% haste. What piece of haste gear should I dump if I get a Ninurta's Sash? I was thinking of dumping the Blessed Pumps +1 and replacing them with the Hydra Gaiters from Dynamis-Tavnazia that gives +6 accuracy. I don't wanna remove the Turban/Mitts/Trousers as that's +5/+6/+4 haste.

[Nirokun!]

(I have no idea but..)

I LOVE YOUR AVATAR :D