WHM Melee random crap

[Izzy]

I hate that I'm totally fucking clueless when it comes to any clubs besides Mjollnir Q_Q. I never got to use a Morgenstern in a merit party to know if it's better than having a Prudence Rod.

[drwaffles]

You're essentially looking at slightly stronger WS vs. ~x1.5 TP gain rate, it should be obvious.

[Pocketrockets]

What's the delay on Prudence and Morgenstern? I can't look it up because I'm at work and every gaming site in the world except BG is blocked.

<edit> 288 for Prudence, 310 for Morgenstern, making total delays 504 for Perdu+Prudence, 526 for Morgenstern+Perdu. Also, offhanding Prudence only makes you swing 1.25x as much per attack round, not 1.5x, so thats more like a 1.3x increase in TP. Makes it a bit closer, especially with Hexa Strike being a crit WS.

[Classikmage]

I have a question about Mystic Boon for the WHM melee vterans out there. *eyes Izzy*.

Is it better to stack STR on MND on Mystic Boon? I see the Secondary modifiers on it are 30% STR and 50% MND, but does that 50% MND outweigh stack STR even counting in the primary modifier?

[Neosutra]

Str > Mnd, as it serves 2 purposes (Pdif calc). Use Mnd if you can get twice as much mnd in that spot, and even then it is close.

[Ultimagi]

Mystic Boon does't get an accuracy boost, so you need to equip a lot of that. Attack boosts the damage more than Strength or Mind does, so equip Attack, Strength, since it also adds Attack, then Mind.

[Neosutra]

How would attack boost the damage more than the Pdif from str and 30% str modifier?

[Ultimagi]

I don't know, that's just what I've seen from using it.

[Izzy]

For some reason, attack doesn't affect Mystic Boon very much for me. I found stacking mods works better for it.

Follow Neo's general rule of thumb: If you can get higher than a 2:1 MND:STR ratio in that spot, use MND. If not, use STR.

[Ultimagi]

Maybe I'm just not stacking enough of it? Could also be harder for me as a Tarutaru.

[Neosutra]

Im having Izzy melee Pandemonium Warden so he can parse agaist his GF's Yoichi this week, Ill let you know how it goes.

Spoiler: show

Not really izzy..

[Izzy]

Maybe I'm just not stacking enough of it? Could also be harder for me as a Tarutaru.

Mystic Boon isn't going to do a whole bunch of damage. It does a lot more damage the more TP you have, but you shouldn't be pulling 400+ WS's with it consistently at 100 TP unless you have a Mjollnir or something.

[RyaWHM]

05.16.2009@What'sBetter
fSTR makes STR mod slightly above MND mod, point for point, before even adding attack. In general, I would say 1 mnd gives 90-95% as much overall damage as 1 STR. Yes, they're rounded down, but I wouldn't worry too much about figuring out exactly where.. just use whichever piece has the better stats.

...and...

05.16.2009@What'sBetter
in all reasonable situations adding 1 STR will beat adding 1 MND, but not by enough to consider 1 str over 2 mnd ever :X

... [and surrounding posts] gave me the impression that MND and STR were roughly equal -- that whichever you can get more of, you should take.

Even 6 MND would beat 5 STR for example!

If that's not true, then I misunderstood what was written, and I will quietly weep into a pillow for a few minutes.

[TummieGaruda]

Mystic Boon isn't going to do a whole bunch of damage. It does a lot more damage the more TP you have, but you shouldn't be pulling 400+ WS's with it consistently at 100 TP unless you have a Mjollnir or something.

That depends on single wield vs dual since you get the extra hit on dual. It won't do omg dmg but I've gotten 600-700 on TW mobs and 300 on campaign mobs.

[Ultimagi]

That depends on single wield vs dual since you get the extra hit on dual. It won't do omg dmg but I've gotten 600-700 on TW mobs and 300 on campaign mobs.

Would Dual Wield add an extra hit to Mystic Boon? I don't think it's a normal weapon skill.

[Izzy]

Would Dual Wield add an extra hit to Mystic Boon? I don't think it's a normal weapon skill.

Yea it does.

[Tubbers]

@Rya it works like this:

Speaking from a purely base damage point of view

1 MND = Mod affects = (1 * 0.5 * 0.83) = +.415 Base Damage
6 MND = +2.49 D

1 STR = Mod affects + fSTR affects = (1 * 0.3 * 0.83) + (1 * 0.25) = 0.499 D
5 STR = +2.495 D

Those are both going to round to the same thing, so as far as base damage, they are equivalent. However, the 5 STR will give +2-3 attack, making it better than the MND.

In short: Take 7 MND over 5 STR, take 5 STR over 6 MND.

[Izzy]

I almost don't believe some of the mod percentages that are on the wiki. For example, the Randgrith mods were on the wiki before anyone even completed a Mjollnir. Everyone assumes STR is a mod for Hexa/Randgrith/Mystic Boon, but I haven't seen any really good tests proving it is.

[Tubbers]

Well, that's assuming the info is correct, if you think it's not you can always go test it yourself, Izzy

[Ultimagi]

If Mystic Boon is affected by Dual Wield, does that mean it's affected by Double Attack too?