WHM Melee random crap

[RyaWHM]

Bump, is Izzy or RyaWHM still around. /sad

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I have been reading here and there and keeping up on things, but as you guys were saying earlier in this thread... WHM doesn't have much new melee stuff, other than upgrading Mjolly or a competing brand of killage. I will not switch brands, Mjolly is my baby!

Yes still active, just playing very very little, like once a month. I'm still on 1866 and it really made me hate the game.

But someday I'll come back in and get AF3's, when they're easier to get.^^

[nitsuj]

Is anyone actively working on Gambanteinn at this time? I may finish with Lamprey Lord tonight and have DMG:57 base club (which makes me pretty freaking happy) but I won't be focused very hard on the fistule discharges, just taking them as they drop to me in my linkshell.

I'd love to see one finished though, so get some sold Dagan info, and some hexa numbers with aftermath.

[nitsuj]

Still no feed back on my question = >.<

I'm still working on my Hexa build too, so I don't have a solid answer for you yet, sorry :/.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Not sure what kind of information you're looking for in regard to its total performance. There's essentially no way it can compete with a relic weapon, and probably isn't even that great in comparison to some of the other magian trials. Needing to forfeit a potentially destructive Hexa Strike to activate its aftermath is a pretty big wrench in the gears.

[nitsuj]

Not sure what kind of information you're looking for in regard to its total performance. There's essentially no way it can compete with a relic weapon, and probably isn't even that great in comparison to some of the other magian trials. Needing to forfeit a potentially destructive Hexa Strike to activate its aftermath is a pretty big wrench in the gears.

Well, a single Dagan would give you 180 seconds of aftermath, right? 3 minutes of occ. double hexa strikes could at least have the potential to be awesome, and at the very least interesting.

I'm also interested in Dagan stats, as I will end up using my WHM to solo stuff for fun, so significant HP/MP back is relevant to my interests, at least . The effort to upgrade Gambanteinn is awfully low to really expect it to *surpass* relic club, but it should at least hold it's own with the base dmg, I'd hope.

[Fredjan]

The Occasionally deals double damage aftermath does not apply to weaponskills, so Hexa's damage wouldn't be improved from that.

[Clave]

I didn't think the aftermath lasted that long either. I thought it was closer to relic aftermaths (20-40-60s duration based on TP). But yeah either way, Relic would outdo it.

[nitsuj]

The Occasionally deals double damage aftermath does not apply to weaponskills,

Damn.

Damn. Damn.

EDIT: progress!

[Fredjan]

Yeah, people initially thought it did I assume because of how strong the weaponskills that deal damage were in general (Fudo, etc) but that was proved wrong when WoE weapons had similar damage output on the WS's.

[Binckry]

If you're looking for Dagan testings, there's already some done here.
h ttp://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?fjob=1&mid=1288430100282414560&page=1
(cant post URLs. <.< )

[Tsuko_Asura]

Well, a single Dagan would give you 180 seconds of aftermath, right? 3 minutes of occ. double hexa strikes could at least have the potential to be awesome, and at the very least interesting.

I'm also interested in Dagan stats, as I will end up using my WHM to solo stuff for fun, so significant HP/MP back is relevant to my interests, at least . The effort to upgrade Gambanteinn is awfully low to really expect it to *surpass* relic club, but it should at least hold it's own with the base dmg, I'd hope.

Without looking at the stats, OAT/DA/STP/WSD% should all be competitive or better rly :s

One WS doesn't sound like a lot, but when you're looking at 2000-4000 damage loss per aftermath activation, it becomes a glaring disadvantage, especially when WS should be pretty high on the split for a WHM(drastically moreso if we're talking about offhanding KC).

[Khajit]

You guys seeing any point in devotion anymore? I've stopped caring about mp so much that I'm tempted to cap martyr in order to not have to stop and cure people while I'm engaged as much.

[jimbobsonofgod]

I have only ever had 1 point in devotion , I don't think i'd get rid of it though, comes in handy from time to time for those days I'm not inside abyssea...

[nitsuj]

Without looking at the stats, OAT/DA/STP/WSD% should all be competitive or better rly :s

One WS doesn't sound like a lot, but when you're looking at 2000-4000 damage loss per aftermath activation, it becomes a glaring disadvantage, especially when WS should be pretty high on the split for a WHM(drastically moreso if we're talking about offhanding KC).

I was slowly working on Empyreal and OAT for fun, so I'm sure I'll still get my kicks out of it at least for soloing. Gonna get faux-relic (latent) too hopefully. Oh well.

[Izzy]

Damage Summary
Player               Total Dmg   Damage %   Melee Dmg   Range Dmg   Abil. Dmg  WSkill Dmg   Spell Dmg  Other Dmg
Artfuldodger             99327    15.99 %       52288           0           0       47023           0         16
Big                       5131     0.83 %        4414           0           0         712           0          5
Blackstar                  202     0.03 %         202           0           0           0           0          0
Carmisse                 84838    13.66 %         365       35765        4137       44571           0          0
Clemenim                 56169     9.04 %       23140           0           0       33029           0          0
Deadwalking                145     0.02 %           0           0           0           0         145          0
Galkapryme                  76     0.01 %           0           0           0           0          74          2
Guifroge                 15431     2.48 %       12149           0           0        3282           0          0
Izzy                    143128    23.04 %       53652           0           0       88603           0        873
Joyjamsk                  4516     0.73 %        4346           0           0         164           0          6
Kendar                    2754     0.44 %           0        1718           0         642           0        394
Nicolas                   1158     0.19 %           0           0           0           0        1158          0
Ryudomishma              56185     9.04 %       37835           0           0       18339           0         11
Sirjames                 45147     7.27 %       19943           0        5410       19794           0          0
Suzyss                    3897     0.63 %           0           0           0           0        3897          0
Tedz                     11588     1.87 %           0           0       11588           0           0          0
Buster                   11398     1.83 %        8880           0        2518           0           0          0
FlowerpotMerle           74316    11.96 %       68025           0        5730           0           0        561
SC: Darkness              1635     0.26 %           0           0           0           0           0          0
SC: Detonation               6     0.00 %           0           0           0           0           0          0
SC: Fusion                3818     0.61 %           0           0           0           0           0          0
SC: Gravitation             17     0.00 %           0           0           0           0           0          0
SC: Light                  234     0.04 %           0           0           0           0           0          0
SC: Reverberation           97     0.02 %           0           0           0           0           0          0
SC: Transfixion             57     0.01 %           0           0           0           0           0          0
Total                   621270   100.00 %      285239       37483       29383      256159        5274       1868


Melee Damage
Player            Melee Dmg   Melee %   Hit/Miss   M.Acc %  M.Low/Hi    M.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C.Avg     Crit%
Artfuldodger          52288   52.64 %    485/194   71.43 %     0/124    54.18    270    39/254  150.51   55.67 %
Big                    4414   86.03 %    181/818   18.12 %      0/43    17.71     32     21/79   55.47   17.68 %
Blackstar               202  100.00 %      17/15   53.13 %      0/23     7.40      2     45/46   45.50   11.76 %
Carmisse                365    0.43 %       11/6   64.71 %      0/40    15.38      3     77/83   80.67   27.27 %
Clemenim              23140   41.20 %    265/129   67.26 %     0/135    79.56     25    85/206  161.84    9.43 %
Guifroge              12149   78.73 %    445/406   52.29 %      0/51    24.95     35      4/84   54.80    7.87 %
Izzy                  53652   37.49 %   1482/201   88.06 %     0/338    32.68    171    16/488   63.22   11.54 %
Joyjamsk               4346   96.24 %    337/147   69.63 %      0/26     8.74     50     13/56   36.78   14.84 %
Ryudomishma           37835   67.34 %    488/143   77.34 %     0/152    66.24     70    89/268  144.94   14.34 %
Sirjames              19943   44.17 %     237/90   72.48 %     0/152    78.86     17    48/238  152.53    7.17 %
Tedz                      0    0.00 %        1/4   20.00 %       0/0     0.00      0       0/0    0.00    0.00 %
Buster                 8880   77.91 %     246/37   86.93 %      8/47    34.24     11     69/82   75.82    4.47 %
FlowerpotMerle        68025   91.53 %    780/112   87.44 %     11/69    48.62    405    53/153  122.95   51.92 %


Ranged Damage
Player            Range Dmg   Range %   Hit/Miss   R.Acc %  R.Low/Hi    R.Avg  #Crit  C.Low/Hi   C.Avg     Crit%
Carmisse              35765   42.16 %     260/10   96.30 %   123/392   132.38     36   158/476  169.81   13.85 %
Joyjamsk                  0    0.00 %        1/2   33.33 %       0/0     0.00      0       0/0    0.00    0.00 %
Kendar                 1718   62.38 %      47/33   58.75 %     26/51    36.45      3     36/42   38.00    6.38 %


Other Magical Damage  (Additional Effects and Spikes)
Player            M.AE Dmg  # M.AE  M.AE Avg   R.AE Dmg  # R.AE  R.AE Avg   Spk.Dmg  # Spike  Spk.Avg
Artfuldodger            16       3      5.33          0       0      0.00         0        0     0.00
Big                      5       1      5.00          0       0      0.00         0        0     0.00
Galkapryme               0       0      0.00          0       0      0.00         2        2     1.00
Izzy                   873      92      9.49          0       0      0.00         0        0     0.00
Joyjamsk                 6       1      6.00          0       0      0.00         0        0     0.00
Kendar                   0       0      0.00        373      40      9.33        21        3     7.00
Ryudomishma             11       2      5.50          0       0      0.00         0        0     0.00


Other Physical Damage  (Counterattacks and Retaliations)
Player            CA.Dmg  CA.Hit/Miss  CA.Low/Hi  CA.Avg   Ret.Dmg  Ret.Hit/Miss  Ret.Low/Hi  Ret.Avg
FlowerpotMerle       561          5/0     47/236  112.20         0           0/0         0/0     0.00


Weaponskill Damage
Player                 WSkill Dmg   WSkill %  Hit/Miss   WS.Acc %   WS.Low/Hi   WS.Avg
Artfuldodger                47023    47.34 %      50/0   100.00 %     81/1929   940.46
 - Mistral Axe                319     0.68 %       1/0   100.00 %     319/319   319.00
 - Primal Rend               2173     4.62 %       4/0   100.00 %      81/970   543.25
 - Rampage                  44531    94.70 %      45/0   100.00 %    220/1929   989.58
Big                           712    13.88 %       7/1    87.50 %       9/261   101.71
 - Blade: Jin                 712   100.00 %       7/1    87.50 %       9/261   101.71
Carmisse                    44571    52.54 %      65/3    95.59 %     643/944   685.71
 - Namas Arrow              34806    78.09 %      53/3    94.64 %     643/665   656.72
 - Refulgent Arrow           4170     9.36 %       6/0   100.00 %     676/730   695.00
 - Sidewinder                5595    12.55 %       6/0   100.00 %     917/944   932.50
Clemenim                    33029    58.80 %      50/2    96.15 %    414/1003   660.58
 - Tachi: Gekko              5016    15.19 %       8/0   100.00 %    414/1003   627.00
 - Tachi: Kasha             28013    84.81 %      42/2    95.45 %     429/926   666.98
Guifroge                     3282    21.27 %      24/0   100.00 %       0/453   136.75
 - Atonement                  155     4.72 %       4/0   100.00 %       2/141    38.75
 - Savage Blade               499    15.20 %       4/0   100.00 %      72/174   124.75
 - Swift Blade               1191    36.29 %       9/0   100.00 %       0/247   132.33
 - Vorpal Blade              1437    43.78 %       7/0   100.00 %      44/453   205.29
Izzy                        88603    61.90 %     101/0   100.00 %    125/1633   877.26
 - Hexa Strike              79879    90.15 %      79/0   100.00 %    506/1633  1011.13
 - Mystic Boon               6310     7.12 %      19/0   100.00 %     125/523   332.11
 - Randgrith                 2414     2.72 %       3/0   100.00 %     600/928   804.67
Joyjamsk                      164     3.63 %       1/0   100.00 %     164/164   164.00
 - Pyrrhic Kleos              164   100.00 %       1/0   100.00 %     164/164   164.00
Kendar                        642    23.31 %       2/0   100.00 %     296/346   321.00
 - Slug Shot                  642   100.00 %       2/0   100.00 %     296/346   321.00
Ryudomishma                 18339    32.64 %      31/0   100.00 %    139/1046   591.58
 - Raging Rush               4533    24.72 %       7/0   100.00 %     139/875   647.57
 - Rampage                  13806    75.28 %      24/0   100.00 %    258/1046   575.25
Sirjames                    19794    43.84 %      40/1    97.56 %     228/957   494.85
 - Penta Thrust             12678    64.05 %      26/0   100.00 %     228/957   487.62
 - Wheeling Thrust           7116    35.95 %      14/1    93.33 %     361/867   508.29
Tedz                            0     0.00 %       0/5     0.00 %         0/0     0.00
 - Slug Shot                    0     0.00 %       0/5     0.00 %         0/0     0.00


Ability Damage
Player                  Abil. Dmg    Abil. %  Hit/Miss    A.Acc %    A.Low/Hi    A.Avg
Carmisse                     4137     4.88 %       8/0   100.00 %     127/832   517.13
 - Barrage                   4137   100.00 %       8/0   100.00 %     127/832   517.13
Sirjames                     5410    11.98 %      30/3    90.91 %       0/464   180.33
 - High Jump                  749    13.84 %      10/2    83.33 %       0/156    74.90
 - Spirit Jump               4661    86.16 %      20/1    95.24 %      96/464   233.05
Tedz                        11588   100.00 %      46/0   100.00 %     243/301   251.91
 - Ice Shot                 11588   100.00 %      46/0   100.00 %     243/301   251.91
Buster                       2518    22.09 %      35/0   100.00 %      24/245    71.94
 - Flame Breath              1870    74.27 %      29/0   100.00 %      24/245    64.48
 - Frost Breath               275    10.92 %       2/0   100.00 %      30/245   137.50
 - Gust Breath                 29     1.15 %       1/0   100.00 %       29/29    29.00
 - Hydro Breath               198     7.86 %       1/0   100.00 %     198/198   198.00
 - Lightning Breath           122     4.85 %       1/0   100.00 %     122/122   122.00
 - Sand Breath                 24     0.95 %       1/0   100.00 %       24/24    24.00
FlowerpotMerle               5730     7.71 %      23/0   100.00 %      32/468   249.13
 - Head Butt                 5645    98.52 %      22/0   100.00 %      32/468   256.59
 - Wild Oats                   85     1.48 %       1/0   100.00 %       85/85    85.00


Spell Damage
Player                  Spell Dmg   Spell %  #Spells  #Fail  S.Low/Hi     S.Avg  #MBurst  MB.Low/Hi   MB.Avg
Deadwalking                   145  100.00 %        1      0   145/145    145.00        0        0/0     0.00
 - Water V                    145  100.00 %        1      0   145/145    145.00        0        0/0     0.00
Galkapryme                     74   97.37 %        1      0     74/74     74.00        0        0/0     0.00
 - Banish II                   74  100.00 %        1      0     74/74     74.00        0        0/0     0.00
Nicolas                      1158  100.00 %        1      0 1158/1158   1158.00        0        0/0     0.00
 - Water V                   1158  100.00 %        1      0 1158/1158   1158.00        0        0/0     0.00
Suzyss                       3897  100.00 %       18      0     0/404    216.50        0        0/0     0.00
 - Blizzard II               1131   29.02 %        4      0   161/324    282.75        0        0/0     0.00
 - Drain                       33    0.85 %        5      0      0/24      6.60        0        0/0     0.00
 - Fire II                   2028   52.04 %        7      0   105/321    289.71        0        0/0     0.00
 - Thunder II                 404   10.37 %        1      0   404/404    404.00        0        0/0     0.00
 - Water V                    301    7.72 %        1      0   301/301    301.00        0        0/0     0.00


Skillchain Damage
Skillchain          SC Dmg  # SC  SC.Low/Hi  SC.Avg
SC: Darkness          1635     2    665/970  817.50
SC: Detonation           6     2        0/6    3.00
SC: Fusion            3818    12     47/563  318.17
SC: Gravitation         17     1      17/17   17.00
SC: Light              234     2     13/221  117.00
SC: Reverberation       97     3       0/60   32.33
SC: Transfixion         57     1      57/57   57.00

Parse in the last Abyssea party I was in. 61.9% of my damage was from WS's. Not using Hexa Strike would gimp your overall damage HARD.

Not bad for not having RR.

[Fredjan]

Nice. I don't have Razed Ruins either (or any amazing melee atma, for that matter). How's your trial progress Izzy? Friend of mine finished lv85 version yesterday, 76 damage is pretty nuts and mine's 65.

[Cymmina]

You guys seeing any point in devotion anymore? I've stopped caring about mp so much that I'm tempted to cap martyr in order to not have to stop and cure people while I'm engaged as much.

I hear "is Devotion ready?" quite often in Abyssea from our BLM while trying to trigger grellow. Sometimes convert/refresh/atmas isn't quite enough if you have to go through the entire list of triggers (</3 AM/agas). I have 4 Devotion/1 Martyr.

[Rionel]

Hm... if this is true then...

My sister was thinking of doing some DD clubs. Offhand probably would be best as OA2~3 times (No Kraken Club yet) and maybe with such high WS damage in Abyssea, maybe the WS DMG+10% would be best?

[Izzy]

Nice. I don't have Razed Ruins either (or any amazing melee atma, for that matter). How's your trial progress Izzy? Friend of mine finished lv85 version yesterday, 76 damage is pretty nuts and mine's 65.

I'm still on the first trial. Like 800 WS's left.

Shit is literally killing me. I'm dreading that killing blow bullshit.

[nitsuj]

Hm... if this is true then...

My sister was thinking of doing some DD clubs. Offhand probably would be best as OA2~3 times (No Kraken Club yet) and maybe with such high WS damage in Abyssea, maybe the WS DMG+10% would be best?

math guys can probably chime in, but from what I've seen the OAT for offhand is pretty nice, since the delay is low and the damage is high. As for main hand, I'd be interested if using high damage empyreal path (DMG58 is easy to get to over time, if you have a good Abyssea group I'm assuming there won't be a lot of competition for the 50 fistule discharges for DMG67 base Empyreal. No word on the trial to unlock it, yet) versus the DMG56 of the 10% damage one. I'd assume the Empyreal is still a valid main hand DD weapon for hexa's, even though it's established it's never going to outparse relic.