WHM Melee random crap

[geno3302]

Don't do Cataclysm on Shinryu, he resists dark. I was getting about 2-3k dmg with Cata but I got about 7.5k consistently with Garland of Bliss (on SMN obviously)

[Niiro]

First of all I have no idea why ppl are "blind" and see only crit dmg +2% on MKD hats when it comes to crit WS.. there is +2% WS DMG there which is far better and works always.
Secondary what you mean 2% is low? I will use Logik base stats and Spooky WS set with improvements from your post for this math (it will be only approximate):
STR 78+30(+40 cruor)
MND 80+30(+40 cruor)
Gamb base dmg: 74
fSTR cap: 16
fTP(including light belt and gorget): 6.2
(298*0.2*0.85+74+16)=~140
2% from 140 = 2.8
2%WS dmg is equivalent of MND+16 or STR+16 (not counting att ofc)
Still think that 2% is not much?

The increase in "damage" refers to damage dealt, not base damage.

ie. A WS that did 1000 will do 1020.

[Lyramion]

Don't do Cataclysm on Shinryu, he resists dark. I was getting about 2-3k dmg with Cata but I got about 7.5k consistently with Garland of Bliss (on SMN obviously)

My last brew was like 13-16k Earthcrushers with 2x MAB atma. Might want to try instead of Garlands?

[Martinius]

Don't do Cataclysm on Shinryu, he resists dark. I was getting about 2-3k dmg with Cata but I got about 7.5k consistently with Garland of Bliss (on SMN obviously)

really? when i brewed shin on mnk (pluto's, cosmos/ultimate/smiting blow), none of my cataclysms were resisted. lowest was about 10k, highest 20k. averaged 12k per ws. friend brewed it yesterday with sanguine blade and had no resists.

[Lyramion]

Well Ultimate and Smitngs Accuracy help your WSes not get resisted. Maybe didnt use nice Atmas?

[Jimothy]

What are some good clubs to use? Been working on store TP Makilla since it seemed best for TPing for !! but was thinking about an offhand. Besides obvious relic/empyrean/kclub, is a STR path club good? Suck it up and work on double attack path?

[Martinius]

What are some good clubs to use? Been working on store TP Makilla since it seemed best for TPing for !! but was thinking about an offhand. Besides obvious relic/empyrean/kclub, is a STR path club good? Suck it up and work on double attack path?

while magian are mostly better, until then, grab a molva maul from the orobon boss in misereaux.

[Atoreis]

The increase in "damage" refers to damage dealt, not base damage.

ie. A WS that did 1000 will do 1020.

Are you serious? Please think before write.

Final dmg is multiply of base dmg so 2% on base after multiplying is exactly that on final...

like lets say pdif 2.0 the math i posted will follow:

140*6.2*2= 1736
2% would be 34.72
2.8*6.2*2= 34.72

Assuming same pdif 2.0
16MND is 16*0.2*0.85=2.72 base and 2.72*6.2*2=~33.73 final

so 2% on final is same as 16+ MND or STR will give you for Hexa on WSC.

ie. STR/AGI MKD for hexa is like str+4 mnd+16 hat.

I know math is hard and etc. but next time seriously think first.

[byte]

Ok, so seriously.. which is best?

• STR+4 Weapon Skill Accuracy +15 / AGI+4 Increases weapon skill damage (+2%)
• DEX+4 Increases Critical Hit Damage (+2%) / AGI+4 Increases weapon skill damage (+2%)

I'm leaning towards the first option unless acc capped, the second option otherwise. Question really is, will I need the extra WS acc with RR and pizza?

Also, for body, which is best for TP? Is it DW+acc, DW+atk or DW+crit?

Thanks for replies so far.

[Izzy]

fffffff every time this thread gets bumped it makes me want to play.

Then I log in for 10 minutes and realize I hate everyone and log out.

[RyaWHM]

Come on over to Gilgabuncle server! We can jollykillage together! Look me up via /sea all [name pending]

[Lyramion]

To put some numbers behind the talk of Flash Nova brew I´ll post my latest Screenshot:



RDM Sub, Ascetics, 45ish MAB in Gear:

http://i54.tinypic.com/qpnyq9.png


Tiny % got halfresisted to 6000 dmg but no full resists.

[Khajit]

There any whm dps spreadsheets lurking about?

[Martinius]

To put some numbers behind the talk of Flash Nova brew I´ll post my latest Screenshot:



RDM Sub, Ascetics, 45ish MAB in Gear:

http://i54.tinypic.com/qpnyq9.png


Tiny % got halfresisted to 6000 dmg but no full resists.

just a quick question about that SS. does flash nova make frag chains with itself, or did someone ws before? i'm curious mostly because i find cataclysm to be an amazing brew ws (was averaging 30-32k per on pantokrator yesterday), but would rather use either flash nova or aeolian edge on rani, and if flash can self sc, i think that'd push it over the top for me.

also what atmas?

[Lyramion]

Atmas:
Beyond, Holy Mountain & Ultimate (+60 Light Attack +80MAB together)


Yes, Flash Nova self SCs to Frag. Didnt know that myself, which leed to some funny healing on the first run.

If you use Nova, just use 2 Novas between his casts for SC, then wait for his next cast and repeat. Impossible to cure him this way.


Gear:

Forth mace 4
Avalon Shield 5
Hecate Crown 4
Tael Body 4
Zenith Mitts 5
Wicca Subligar 4
Moldavite Earring 5
Artemis Medal 70%ish Moon 7
Theurgia Clogs 4


So there is still room for some easy improvements with MAB backpiece, second Earring, Uludashis Hands and a Witchstone

[Genosync]

To put some numbers behind the talk of Flash Nova brew I´ll post my latest Screenshot:



RDM Sub, Ascetics, 45ish MAB in Gear:

http://i54.tinypic.com/qpnyq9.png


Tiny % got halfresisted to 6000 dmg but no full resists.

You know that Ascethic's drinks don't do crap to you when you're under Brew effect, right? I've done them on MNK BLM NIN befores and afters and it doesn't do shit.

Atma still does though. Have a feeling that Brew just brings you to cap for MATK from Magic buffs, whereas the Atma MATK is counted as equip just like Haste from Atma.

[Lyramion]

You know that Ascethic's drinks don't do crap to you when you're under Brew effect, right?

Well I guess you might be right on the MAB part. Ascetics gives MACC also tho. Would be hard to test if brew caps that also I guess.

[Iremire]

what kind of a build will i need for dagan i havent done any research on the weaponskill so im kind of clueless as to what i should be shooting. I think i remember someone saying to do hp gear?

[Tsuko_Asura]

I can't help but feel, in any situation, the answer is to not use Dagan. Giving yourself MP is always more productive than giving yourself HP, and Mystic Boon is going to do a better job of that than Dagan.

[Ganukay]

I haven't tested out Dagan yet, still need to finish my Bukhis wings. As far as I know, the modifiers are only based on your max HP and max MP. Mystic boon should always be better for recovering MP based on that, alone. Wiki has 15% of max MP recovered from a 100 TP Dagan (only 300 MP with 2k max MP). With a nice HP build, I could see Dagan being useful trying to solo NMs, could recover some HP and also get the aftermath. Kill would still be slower versus using hexa strike and just curing yourself. Can't wait to finish Bukhis wings and solo some random NMs in abyssea, see how effective it is to use.