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    Yes, but what I meant was that she says her blade hits anything in her field of vision. That's impossible (if they just copy her attack) unless she swings horizontally only.

    Once again, though, Bleach has come down to another battle of conveniences.

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    This one I'm more ok with because there are so many characters with AoE attacks that could (in theory) manage against this guy. Byakuya could flood the room with petals, Rukia or Hitsuguya could freeze the whole room, etc.

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    Renji would suck.

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    I hope this means we get Ken-Chan in a few chapters when this guy decides to release and go serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xno Kappa View Post
    The only two as far as I can recall.
    kenpachi was not in shikai.

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    Last I remember, Kenpachi's sword is in permanent Shikai. Zaraki force released his Shikai, without knowing the Zanpaktou's name. However due to the fact he was not in harmony with the blade, the edge was brittle and damaged.

    Maybe I'm forgetting a retcon, but it was definitely stated that it was Shikai and not simply Zaraki's inability to achieve more.

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    The sword is in shikai, Kenpachi stole a nameless mook's asauchi and it turned into the sword he has now.

    It's longer than a normal zanpakuto and has the different looking tsuba. All asauchi look the same, therefore he has attained Shikai.

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    http://www.mangapanda.com/94-581-5/b...apter-127.html

    that page says there has to be "communication and synchronization" to achieve initial release. Shikai.

    http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Zanpakut%C5%8D

    Shikai (始解, Initial Release) is the second form (or first upgraded form) available to a Zanpakutō. To activate it, the Shinigami needs to learn the name of their Zanpakutō. This is not as easy as simply picking a name, for the living spirit of the Zanpakutō already has its own name. The Shinigami must be able to communicate and harmonize with their Zanpakutō effectively, which requires being able to speak to the spirit within its world.[45]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleverness View Post
    I hope this means we get Ken-Chan in a few chapters when this guy decides to release and go serious.
    I actually really want to see Yachiru wreck this guy. Her and the other VC being there definitely makes me think Kenny and Unohana (I know, but I'm hoping) will appear for some reason after the fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koul View Post
    I like how the other captain (forgot who it is) is all "why you doin that?! we don't know if it's a friend or a foe" Yachiru's all fuck dat shit. Kubo needs to give us 15 chapters of her kicking ass after torturing us with that bullshit WWE/Renji fuckassery
    The way I'm reading it is that she has always held back in the past because Kenpachi wanted to be the one to kill stuff. Now she gets to chance to go crazy because what Kenny doesn't know, he won't get jealous about.

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    Ken does not have a shikai. His sword was forced into that state because of his immense power.

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    i saw that line and thought the same; that and he's always protected her from harm in the past, so she didn't HAVE to fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Abandon View Post
    http://www.mangapanda.com/94-581-5/b...apter-127.html

    that page says there has to be "communication and synchronization" to achieve initial release. Shikai.

    http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Zanpakut%C5%8D
    That's what makes Zaraki special. His sheer power allowed him to force his sword into released state. But the fact he cannot communicate with it and fought without synchronizing with it made it weaker (which is why the edge is chipped and brittle) and means he can't access any special techniques like Ichigo gets with Getsuga Tensho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xantavia View Post
    The way I'm reading it is that she has always held back in the past because Kenpachi wanted to be the one to kill stuff. Now she gets to chance to go crazy because what Kenny doesn't know, he won't get jealous about.
    Yeah, it sounded to me like she's really excited that she finally gets to fight something. This is one character I've been wanting to see fight for a long time, so Kubo better not disappoint.

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    basically agreeing that it is not a true shikai. Ichigo was the exact same before he underwent his training.

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    Do you mean before he got the meat cleaver? Ichigos first sword just looked like a super-sized sealed zanpakuto; normal shape, normal grip, just beefed up. All of kenpachi's sword looks unique.

    Is permanent shikai even a thing if zaraki doesn't have one thou? I mean the only example remaining would afaik be ichigo, and in retrospect his was extremely abnormal, and maybe not technically a zanpakuto at all.

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    General Sub-Types

    There is one known "sub-type" of Zanpakutō classification, this being:

    Constant-Release Type: Zanpakutō which are always in Shikai form because of the strength of their wielders' spiritual power, or, more importantly, their lack of control over it.[175]

    Kenpachi Zaraki[176][177]
    Ichigo Kurosaki/Zangetsu[177]
    From Bleach wiki.

    http://www.mangapanda.com/94-563-16/...apter-109.html

    http://www.mangapanda.com/94-574-10/...apter-120.html

    Released Zanpakuto. Whether that's his "true" form or w/e is unknown because of Kubo rules.

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    Ichigo's original sword was a product of him not knowing how to handle his reiatsu. They made it clear multiple times the size of your sword, lol, reflected the amount of reiatsu you can command. Thus the whole "open faucet" analogy used with him and the retcon later that captain-level shingami can control the size. He then learned Zangetsu's name and his sword became perma-shikai. This is no debate.

    Zaraki on the other hand is a flat-out faucet of reiatsu all day, every day. Minus eye-patch of course. I'm at work at the moment, but I recall plenty of evidence where it's stated Kenpachi's zanpaktou is in perma-shkai due to the sheer amount of his reiatsu. There's absolutely no need to make a debate about true shikai versus false shikai. Kenpachi made the zanpaktou his bitch, it wasn't until Unohana fucked with his head that he wanted to learn the name. That was the whole point of that battle.

    EDIT: And before someone brings up Zaraki losing to Ichigo and ended up crying out to his sword, shit was half-assed and he even said as much.

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    Stream version out first:
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