Bleach

[Inshiya]

I just want to know who the fuck is the soul king now, and how Aizen got back in his chair.

[Olo401]

I just want to know who the fuck is the soul king now...

Same as it's always been baby!

[Outlaw]

Like 70% of that spoiler is baseless assumption.

The post was just a sarcastic joke anyway. Couldn't you tell by my little comments? lol Assuming everyone's dead is me doing a, 'pics or it didn't happen kind of thing'. Kubo sucks.

Yeah, best case, we get a databook that reveals everyone's fate (which, based on Kubo's track record, will involve everyone still alive..). Worst case, what we have now?

I would like them to let him do a, "Bleach: The Lost Chapters" kind of thing if there is enough fan demand to see the parts that were left out. Say, one chapter a month in Shonen Jump as a extra to help sell magazines but I doubt that will ever happen.

[kuronosan]

Well, he won't. He apparently pissed off a lot of editors, so he'll be lucky to get published.

[shidobu]

Well, he won't. He apparently pissed off a lot of editors, so he'll be lucky to get published.

did he deliberately do something?

or just bring shame to the famiry for poor story telling...

[kuronosan]

He bad mouthed editors.

[shidobu]

He bad mouthed editors.

welppppppppp rip kubo

(unless he starts drawin hentai.. cuz that would just be fantastic)

[BWYuko]

Smut is the minor leagues. Once recognized for their talents, the very best hentai mangaka get called up to the majors to work on mainstream manga and anime.

This won't happen to Kubo. Wiki says Bleach had sold more than 82M copies by the time we were achilles-deep in the final arc (2013).
His net worth exceeds $50M. If he wants to just chase his muse so he can art, he will bankroll his own projects.

So yeah, none of the big players will ever hire him again, and he can fund his own publishing and distribution. But...

"Finish your 15 year project in the next 3 weeks and get the fuck out," has gotta be one of the most dubious and public ways of being added to an industry blacklist. Folks may not be so inclined to work for/with him even if he can pay them.

[Serra]

Did he make said comments before or after they told him to end Bleach? I can understand it if he criticized them after they told him to end it in three weeks or whatever happened there..

[BWYuko]

Nono... Kubo chronically wanted to play by his own rules, which pissed his editors right the fuck off. They're the ones who told him to end abruptly and gtfo. The extremely candid means by which they did this has cost Kubo his industry clout.

Like the video that was posted earlier suggests, other giants (e.g. Toriyama) had similar disdain for their editors while navigating their 500+ chapter mega-shonen, but chose to reluctantly collaborate instead of deflect like Kubo did. Toriyama always drew under the impression that the current DB arc he was drawing would be the series' last, and infamously felt pretty goaded into continuing beyond first the Freezer and then the Cell saga. All Kubo had to do was sell out before the Fullbringer arc and we'd have had a much better ending to this thing like 3 years ago.

[Gredival]

Smut is the minor leagues. Once recognized for their talents, the very best hentai mangaka get called up to the majors to work on mainstream manga and anime.

Ken Akamatsu lol.

Wiki says Bleach had sold more than 82M copies by the time we were achilles-deep in the final arc (2013).
His net worth exceeds $50M. If he wants to just chase his muse so he can art, he will bankroll his own projects.

Are you sure about that net? How much cut does he get off serialized vs. sales of volumes?

[Xno Kappa]

Whoa. Didn't know that about Kubo and his staff but makes absolute sense. Kinda sucks he didn't have the clout of Toriyama to completely tell them to fuck off.

[BWYuko]

Are you sure about that net?

I'm not, I pulled the first figure I saw from a basic google search, so absolutely correct me if you find something more reliable (I imagine he lost some personal equity in the fallout of this fiasco).

[Seha]

Never forget.
Dear Bleach you were my favourite manga of them all, you brought me close to a person that was very dear to me, then one day decided to turn everything to shit and when I was hoping I could finally get at least a decent closure you took that away from me with an improvised rushed ending.

I hate you Kubo. I hate you Jump.

I hope one day some crazy anime studio buys this crap to give us something better to finish this long journey.

[arus2001]

Yeah, that vid from a bit back was somewhat saddening. I mean, I'm not entirely surprised this stuff winds up resembling an RMT sweatshop, where he allegedly only had 4 hours a week to himself for years, but the only real solution seems to be hiring more capable aids to draw things after the lead storyboards them.

[Obsidian]

The problem with that strategy here specifically is that I doubt Kubo could hire anyone who would be able to draw well enough to hide the fact that it wasn't Kubo drawing.

[Gredival]

Eh I don't know about that. The art in the anime isn't bad at all and Kubo had zero involvement with that. There are lots of talented animators who replicate styles very well.

[LinktheDeme]

So I know nothing about Kubo and his editors but what happened exactly? Did he want to drag it out and the editors said no?

Or did they just not like his direction and told him to fuck off?

[Lucavi]

Whoa. Didn't know that about Kubo and his staff but makes absolute sense. Kinda sucks he didn't have the clout of Toriyama to completely tell them to fuck off.

Toriyama himself didn't have the clout to tell them to fuck off. He never told them to fuck off. After freeza, we were supposed to be done. How many arcs were there after that?

[BWYuko]

So I know nothing about Kubo and his editors but what happened exactly? Did he want to drag it out and the editors said no?
Or did they just not like his direction and told him to fuck off?

The latter. They were right, and he should have accepted their suggested changes like Toriyama did.

How many arcs were there after that?

Two, and neither were his idea. The video really summarizes this well. The editors approached him stating "DBZ is a huge success! Fans are clamoring for more; it would be foolish to discontinue it now; you have any more ideas?"
And Akira was like "Well... no but lemme see what I can draw up." And he used the past RR conflict, engineered the whole Gero grudge, and envisioned that the main antagonists would be Androids 19 and 20. It went to print in Jump, editors told him that none of the readers are giving a fuck about the old man/doughboy villains, and Androids 17 and 18 were concocted. They, too, were perceived as being "weak" villains (as written), and the concept of Cell was developed. The idea for Perfect Cell came very late in that arc's production cycle. The result was a massive success, and makes for some of the best content in the whole DB media realm.

All of this simply because Toriyama took the advice of the industry experts in his employ. Imagine a world in which Kubo had not pushed back.