Bleach

**Resin** · 2008-11-14 14:36

^ Ya, really. Needs to take some lessons from One Piece.

About Hinamori...Aizen seemed a little uneasy about her being there, even if he did downplay it. Especially with the "It won't make a difference" line, just seems to play right into the whole main-bad-buy's-ignorance-is-what-leads-to-his-downfall scenario that I've seen a million times over (not that it's a bad thing, I kinda like her, just saying).

**Serif** · 2008-11-14 15:59

Originally Posted by Boyiee

I don't know if I mentioned this, but I was going back in the manga to the Mayuri fight with the espada, and I noticed something at the end.

Spoiler: show

wtf is in there lol, I don't really want to get back into BS chapters to find out, but i'd really like to know - hopefully there is more info in the anime, should be coming up in the next 2 weeks.

Spoiler: show

**Souj** · 2008-11-15 00:38

Originally Posted by Serif

Spoiler: show

in the words of Yahtzee and i'm sure some other source before him;
short answer, no.
long answer, nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooo

**Charla** · 2008-11-15 01:04

So I guess nobody cares about all my clone theories?

**Nuriko** · 2008-11-15 01:13

When I first suggested it could be them, I had considered clones, but couldn't figure out when he would have done it. After their masks were broken, they were pretty much kicked out right away with Nel weren't they?

Actually, I suppose they could have been captured, hung, cloned, and then the clones are what Nel found with broken masks with the clones not actually knowing they were clones...I dunno D:

**Souj** · 2008-11-15 01:15

why would he make clones of them and hang them up? and why would Mayuri care? who/whatever they are, it seemed to have gotten him interested.
and peche/dondo were only really acting so stupid because they were honoring Neliel's dislike of fighting when she got turned into baby nel. they changed their tune after Nel got her original form back
and to be specific, they didnt get their masks broken, they had their masked forcefully taken off.

**Nuriko** · 2008-11-15 01:19

He's a mad scientist, he doesn't need a reason to do random experiments that make no sense...and Mayuri would care because he's the same way, and there's probably evidence of some experiments on them that he could see that we couldn't from the angle we were given.

**gandorf** · 2008-11-15 01:29

I was thinking again last night how Ichigo could pull off a win against ulq. I figured if no one jumps in he will need a new power. So seeing as how he gained his inner hollow from the training he did with urhara maybe the bankia training he did with yoroichi will do something. Remember she said it was a device developed by urhara to help someone gain bankia fast and the soulreaper training he did was to unlock someones soulreaper powers fast. Maybe its all linked? Idk I could be way off but its at least something to think about.

**Souj** · 2008-11-15 01:43

Originally Posted by gandorf

I was thinking again last night how Ichigo could pull off a win against ulq. I figured if no one jumps in he will need a new power. So seeing as how he gained his inner hollow from the training he did with urhara maybe the bankia training he did with yoroichi will do something. Remember she said it was a device developed by urhara to help someone gain bankia fast and the soulreaper training he did was to unlock someones soulreaper powers fast. Maybe its all linked? Idk I could be way off but its at least something to think about.

so your saying his training to get shinigami powers, and his training to achieve bankai will help him? I dont think I understand what your trying to say...

I'm wondering if his time limit on his mask is gone now, or if it was just for that 1 fight.
Kubo's probably taking his time on these stupid fights cause he still hasnt found a way to have an almost dead Ichigo beat Ulqiorra. god knows only Plotkai can save him now.

**Drex** · 2008-11-15 01:59

Hollow ichigo will appear, smack him around, ichigo goes full hollow against ulq's released form, ichigo barely wins. Ichigo hax his way to fake karakura, fights aizen, barely wins. Ichigo and all the womenz make out.

**Charla** · 2008-11-15 01:59

Well it could just turn into a Slayers fight. (starts at about 3:50 in that clip) Ulq uses resurrecion!... and turns into a flea, which Ichigo squishes. Victory!

I mean, there's gotta be a reason he's keeping his released form a secret, right?

**Souj** · 2008-11-15 02:22

I have to say Ulquirra's released form is a wolf, or some kind of canine. It's harder to tell now, since Kubo changed the way he looked after his 1st appearance, but it still kinda looks sorta like it. I'll find the pic just a sec.

http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/190/19/

**gandorf** · 2008-11-15 02:22

Ichigo gained his inner hollow from the thing he did with Urahra to get his soulreaper powers after rukia left.

Later on he learns bankia from the device urhara made to speed up the process. He later fights his inner hollow he got from the first training to gain vizard mode. I'm saying is it possible that him using the device has a side effect like the soulreaper training ?

It's pretty much a shot in the dark right now. But its one of the only things I can think of that will make ichigo strong enough to take ulq. I may also be wrong but the soulreaper training might have been for him to learn the name of his sword instead.

**Souj** · 2008-11-15 02:34

Originally Posted by gandorf

Ichigo gained his inner hollow from the thing he did with Urahra to get his soulreaper powers after rukia left.

Later on he learns bankia from the device urhara made to speed up the process. He later fights his inner hollow he got from the first training to gain vizard mode. I'm saying is it possible that him using the device has a side effect like the soulreaper training ?

It's pretty much a shot in the dark right now. But its one of the only things I can think of that will make ichigo strong enough to take ulq. I may also be wrong but the soulreaper training might have been for him to learn the name of his sword instead.

he learned the name of his sword after he got his powers back. it was when he got his shikai. and the side effect of using the 3day method, was learning bankai. Can't say for certain if Urahara planned for Ichigo to become a vizard or not, because in the end it seemed like it was all luck that he got his powers when he did. if he got them any sooner, he wouldnt have started turning into a hollow. if it happened later, well it wouldnt have happened cause he'd be a full hollow.

on a different note, at work today (I work at a warehouse that ships books/games to retail stores/online stores) I saw the Souls Bleach guide thing, fully and officially translated in english. no idea when it's coming out tho. too bad it isnt the one that states that Kenpachi's zanpaktou is a constant release type.

**Serif** · 2008-11-15 11:18

Originally Posted by Souj

I have to say Ulquirra's released form is a wolf, or some kind of canine. It's harder to tell now, since Kubo changed the way he looked after his 1st appearance, but it still kinda looks sorta like it. I'll find the pic just a sec.

Bleach 190 page 19 | One Manga

I always thought he would be a type of reptile. Not sure why but I don't we have seen any reptile releases yet, unless I am missing an obvious one.

**Souj** · 2008-11-15 13:02

yeah, dont think anyones been a reptile yet, but i can't think of any reptiles that have a little horn/ear looking thing that ulqy has. HIS RELEASE COMMAND SHALL BE "CRYING WOLF"! cause he wooks wike he's cwying.
none of the espada look like they'd have a reptile release to me though. 1 of Halibels fraccion could be though. hmmm on second thought, Barrigan reminds me of a turtle for some reason.
but of course, looks can be deceiving. I didnt think #7 looked much like a ballarina pumpkin. and still not sure what AA's was supposed to be.
on that note... was Apollo supposed to be a butterfly, or a phoenix? I only say phoenix cause he described himself as one and there was already an arrancar that had a butterfly release!

**Serif** · 2008-11-15 13:11

If anyone is going to be a wolf, I am thinking Stark.

I agree on the whole Barragan thing though.

Halibel is probably going to be like a bird, even though we have already seen one. I would say Deer but haha yeah...

**Boyiee** · 2008-11-15 13:34

I was also thinking ichigo would go full hollow against Ulq, like that form he started to take inside that box when he was learning his vaizard crap.

**Serif** · 2008-11-15 13:54

There has to be a higher release than Ressureccion, or however you spell it.

Shinigami
Normal > Shikai > Bankai

Arrancar
Normal > Ressureccion > ????

With Ichigo, I don't want him turning into a full hollow. I think there has to be something more to his Shinigami past and possibly the Royal Guard or King's Guards obtained this?

The full hollow thing for Ichigo is just too much of him representing evil.

**kuronosan** · 2008-11-15 15:31

I think Ichigo will be even with Ulquiorra at full power, and then Ulquiorra will release, which will result in Ichigo outright losing or losing control a la Byakuya-fight and have his hollow take over... then Unohana will step in and take on Ulquiorra after Ichigo faints/is beaten.

Yammy will jump in to try and help then be cut in half by Kenpachi who will simply go, "Next!".

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