Bleach

**Souj** · 2009-03-20 00:00

so, if Arrancer have a second form like Ulqiorra, Vizard could have a second form also? Ichigo's new form is still using a sword. when we've seen shinigami go full hollow, they never used swords.

**Brenhen** · 2009-03-20 01:00

Actually Ichigo's full hollow was still using his sword. I don't know how to do the link thing for you guys but just check out the manga where Ichigo was fighting his inner hollow to become a Vaizard. Also the inner hollow told ichigo that if he really wanted to be able to use all of his power, to stay alive until the inner hollow showed himself again. Kubo foreshadowed then that there was a second level to the vaizard form. I'm guessing that this new transformation is exactly that.

**Boyiee** · 2009-03-20 02:13

Originally Posted by Brenhen

Actually Ichigo's full hollow was still using his sword. I don't know how to do the link thing for you guys but just check out the manga where Ichigo was fighting his inner hollow to become a Vaizard. Also the inner hollow told ichigo that if he really wanted to be able to use all of his power, to stay alive until the inner hollow showed himself again. Kubo foreshadowed then that there was a second level to the vaizard form. I'm guessing that this new transformation is exactly that.

yeah his hollow had a sword

**altwight** · 2009-03-20 04:54

dont recall his full hollow during inner fight using a sword. all i remember is the cero scene

**avelle** · 2009-03-20 05:08

Originally Posted by altwight

dont recall his full hollow during inner fight using a sword. all i remember is the cero scene

The part that stands out in my mind was when Ichigo was getting ready to bankai and his hollow was basically doing the same thing, holding an inverted color sword. Not sure if that's what everyone else is talking about but ya.

Found the image if you cared.

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Manga was 219 btw.

**kuronosan** · 2009-03-20 07:49

I believe this is the one they mean from Chapter 222:

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**CrimsonAngel** · 2009-03-20 10:40

but he never really did go full hollow, pieces of his mask still hadnt formed yet

**TummieGaruda** · 2009-03-20 11:43

This is what im starting to think.

Vizards are Shinigami that have obtained Hollow powers, and have an inner Hollow.

Arrancar are hollows that gain Shinigami powers and often retain their humanoid form if their intelligence is high enough.

I believe that Ichigo is in fact both... being a Vizard on the outside, while his inner hollow is an Arrancar. The hole in Ichigo's chest probably triggered his "Inner Arrancar's" Resurrección.

***Blarg*** · 2009-03-20 19:24

I liked this chapter. Even if the power up is too extreme it's at least interesting.

**altwight** · 2009-03-20 20:30

if he ripped off his arm so easily without really doin anything this better not get dragged out. i want to see ulquiorra pwnt and move on.

**avelle** · 2009-03-20 22:54

Originally Posted by altwight

if he ripped off his arm so easily without really doin anything this better not get dragged out. i want to see ulquiorra pwnt and move on.

For some reason I don't see Ulquiorra being eliminated for good, seems like he's had way too much air time to go away just yet.

**altwight** · 2009-03-20 23:40

i agree that he won't die or anything but that's what i meant with not dragging it out. kill or don't kill but move on either way

**Souj** · 2009-03-21 00:02

Originally Posted by altwight

if he ripped off his arm so easily without really doin anything this better not get dragged out. i want to see ulquiorra pwnt and move on.

technically didnt rip his arm off. he sliced it off with his sword.

and I stand corrected when I said the earlier hollow ichigo didnt use a sword. easily forgotten though since he's only seen using it on 1 page. hollow form of Kensai and bug girl didnt use zanpaktous though!
(and no I wasn't including the white Ichigo/zangetsu guy.I doubt he's even a hollow. no mask no hole. he's just the spirit of his hollow powers like zangetsu is of his shinigami powers)

**Siniroth** · 2009-03-21 13:03

Originally Posted by Souj

technically didnt rip his arm off. he sliced it off with his sword.

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Looks like he ripped it off lol

**Gulkeeva** · 2009-03-21 13:52

ichigo looks better colored in that form

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**happydude** · 2009-03-21 19:57

i think theres gonna be more evolution where ichigo has more of the original zangetsu costume, u can see it around his neck/hands/feet with the frills maybe less hollow more zangetsu w

**Siniroth** · 2009-03-22 02:01

Well shit I hadn't see Ulquiorra coloured, either, he looks more badass there... and holy shit yeah, Ichigo's a fucking tank now

**CrimsonAngel** · 2009-03-22 12:44

can any one tell me how long aizen had been making arrancars? because there is a crap-load of things that say the ones like noitora and nel had been around for years... its confusing

**Souj** · 2009-03-22 14:55

Originally Posted by CrimsonAngel

can any one tell me how long aizen had been making arrancars? because there is a crap-load of things that say the ones like noitora and nel had been around for years... its confusing

we have no idea how long he has been making them. I think the earliest experiment we know of is the hollow that killed Kiba Kien, though he was probably doing stuff before that.
to clear up your confusion: Arrancerization can happen naturally.

**Nuriko** · 2009-03-22 15:53

I think the earliest experiments we've seen was either the one who killed Kien or Grand Fisher. Rukia had said Grand Fisher had been evading Shinigami for 50 years or something like that. However there's no telling if 50 years ago was before or after Kien was killed considering the time difference in soul society, and not knowing how long ago Rukia actually joined the 13th.

And yeah, apparently Nel and Noitra became arrancars naturally, then Aizen gave them more power with the Hougyuko (well, Noitra anyway, as he moved from 8 to 4 and got a bigger scythe etc). At least, that was my impression, I could be wrong.

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