Bleach

**kuronosan** · 2009-12-22 02:15

Originally Posted by Souj

here's another example of how the people in this thread just like to bitch about kubo.
Kubo said he doesnt have anything planned out for the story, and you get "lulz he's a retard he's so stupid not having a plan"

now, in the naruto thread, Kishimoto says the same thing, and no one even gave it a second look.

having no solid story is common for shonen.
If youre going to hate on Kubo, make it a legitimate reason.
for example; Kubo sucks because there has not been much story progression at all in this arc.
All this hate just seems to be a case of bandwagon to me.

I don't care for Naruto, but while he is retarded for not really having a solid plan it's not enough for me to hate on him. For myself, in particular, I know I hate the progression.

**Guitarman** · 2009-12-22 02:25

I'm glad someone finally broached the subject. I'm with kaylia thinking the main points of the series are planned out, but the finer details he does along the way.

don't get me wrong, kubo has his faults, i feel like i'm being trolled any time one of ichigo's worthless superfriends has any airtime, but if you think he could have every shikai, bankai, resurrection, doll forms and abilities of all the myriad of people that have come and gone in the series planned out from day 1, you're fucking retarded.

**Stilzkin** · 2009-12-22 03:08

Originally Posted by Souj

having no solid story is common for shonen.
If youre going to hate on Kubo, make it a legitimate reason.
for example; Kubo sucks because there has not been much story progression at all in this arc.
All this hate just seems to be a case of bandwagon to me.

I think all this shit Kubo gets is due to his bad writing, like you said there hasn't been much progression. Kubo has become a sort of joke. Worst of all Kubo always seems to say things like this in his interviews which just makes it easier for people to joke about him.

You can say other shonen have just as crappy writing but the other writers seem to keep their readers happier than Kubo does.

**Guitarman** · 2009-12-22 03:26

Originally Posted by Stilzkin

I think all this shit Kubo gets is due to his bad writing, like you said there hasn't been much progression. Kubo has become a sort of joke. Worst of all Kubo always seems to say things like this in his interviews which just makes it easier for people to joke about him.

You can say other shonen have just as crappy writing but the other writers seem to keep their readers happier than Kubo does.

yet bleach is like the #2 manga behind only naruto, and has been for a long time. You don't get there by having pissed off fans. I just think pissy bleach fans are more vocal.

**Gredival** · 2009-12-22 03:55

Kubo's lack of planning is particularly harmful because the quality drop in the story since the Soul Society arc is painfully obvious. You can definitely tell the difference a well-planned story makes. In addition there are just a lot of very very very stupid plot twists he has thrown in ("WHO SAID THE ESPADA GO FROM 1-10?!") and very little progression (three years ago Ichigo just defeated Grimjaaow; that is how little has changed)

Naruto on the other hand goes through its ups and downs but it hasn't had a jump the shark moment like Yammy and it has kept a decent pace going. That makes me think even if Kishimoto doesn't have everything set in stone he has a very good idea where it's going.

TL;DR: poor planning can be masked by decent bullshit ability, Kishimoto has some, Kubo has none.

**Guitarman** · 2009-12-22 07:20

while we're waiting for this week's filler episode to be subbed, does anyone know who the cloaked woman in last week's episode was, that was talking to the elder kuchiki? I don't know japanese so i don't listen to the voices just watch the subs, and i was hoping someone here does listen to it in japanese and can maybe match the voice. I was thinking it was unohana but i'm not sure.

**arus2001** · 2009-12-22 13:42

I got the impression it was Byakuya's mom/Ginrei's daughter. Only real reason I could see the need to hide her face is because she hasn't shown up in the manga at all.

**Guitarman** · 2009-12-22 23:02

http://www.animecrazy.net/bleach-episode-251/82718

new filler ep up. pretty good, things are getting interesting again.

Btw, watch the "shinigami picture book" at the tail end after the credits. fucking HILARIOUS rofl. I really wasn't expecting it.

**Xanthe** · 2009-12-22 23:24

But where DOES he wear it?

**Ghost_Wheel22** · 2009-12-22 23:45

Picture book golden has yet to let me down.

**BadKarma** · 2009-12-23 00:06

Originally Posted by Guitarman

http://www.animecrazy.net/bleach-episode-251/82718

new filler ep up. pretty good, things are getting interesting again.

Btw, watch the "shinigami picture book" at the tail end after the credits. fucking HILARIOUS rofl. I really wasn't expecting it.

Ahahaha, thats awesome. It's kinda obvious lol.

**Serra** · 2009-12-23 01:08

I just finished marathoning through Nyan Koi and I gotta say, compared to that series where each episode felt really long, I honestly was shocked when it stopped with Byakuya blocking his attack instead of being at the halfway point ><

Spoiler: show

Originally Posted by arus2001

I got the impression it was Byakuya's mom/Ginrei's daughter. Only real reason I could see the need to hide her face is because she hasn't shown up in the manga at all.

I was kinda thinking that too.. but Byakuya said he promised on his parents' grave that he'd never break the law. Also, I know bleach doesn't exactly follow consistency and also a grave doesn't mean he's interred there, but considering what a failure Kouga is appearing to be, I really hope Byakuya is just doing this to avenge the family honor, and not to open dear ole dad's eyes...

**kuronosan** · 2009-12-23 02:19

I still can't get past how they don't even mention the soul-burials anymore... not to mention how they've practically lied to all those poor people over the years about moving on to a "better place" in Soul Society when it's a shitty place to live and is just as divided with classes as the living world.

**Ghost_Wheel22** · 2009-12-23 02:25

Its a "better place" over being chased by hollows endlessly. Not like crazy experiments or brainwashed zanpaktou or insane shinigami run around killing people in Soul Society, right? Right?

**Marcicus** · 2009-12-23 02:43

Soul Society is fucked up, what's new?

**Khajit** · 2009-12-23 11:38

Originally Posted by Ghost_Wheel22

Its a "better place" over being chased by hollows endlessly. Not like crazy experiments or brainwashed zanpaktou or insane shinigami run around killing people in Soul Society, right? Right?

Stick around long enough and you become a hollow too dont forget that part.

**Souj** · 2009-12-23 12:25

and noone still knows what happens to a shinigami when he dies.

**kuronosan** · 2009-12-23 12:42

Well, to be fair, you probably wouldn't die even if you were killed.

**toonces** · 2009-12-23 12:46

I think soul society is a form of purgatory for ppl that arent hueco mundo bad, they have stated there is other planes of afterlife.

But yeah, i was thinking about the whole soul burial and heaven hell.. w/e stuff too.. that got like thrown out the window.

**Khajit** · 2009-12-23 12:54

Originally Posted by Souj

and noone still knows what happens to a shinigami when he dies.

The same thing that happens to everyone else? Reincarnated on the "other side" aka the normal world. Or possibly hueco mundo if that captain midget movie was partially cannon.
It was explained way back in the beginning of bleach when the reasons behind the quincy genocide were explained.

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