Bleach

[Xno Kappa]

Oh man, you mean to tell me his sword doesn't obviously snap once it's past 100 meters!? This is a different ball game then, his shit is awesome!

Only shit I can see Gin losing too then is if he met someone with a 14km sword! Ichigo needs to hollow hax now if he wants to live!

EDIT: derp

[Max™]

UH HERP A DERP A DERP, congratulations for MISSING THE FUCKING POINT ENTIRELY.


O' Thor, lend me the strength to wield the hammer of knowledge.

If you're just thinking about it as a really long piece of metal, it's not that interesting.


Think about the difference between a light saber, and a pewpew laser pistol.

If you could keep a laser pistol turned on full time, and used it like a light saber, it's a whole new ballgame for ways to hack shit up.

Gin's sword is functionally a solid light saber, 13 km long.


Toss a getsuga? Pfft, just reach out and cut someone.

[Xno Kappa]

Yes, I'm sure no one considered Gin's bankai would act exactly the same way as far as ignoring all logic concerning it's length. We are all in shock on how it works. His shikai makes much more sense on the other hand though. /sarcasm

Lame is lame.

[Max™]

The shikai is the same thing to a greater extent.

Is there any precedence there?

http://xh.ferventfire.org/xh/pic/ima...ya_bankai1.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Taezh4ULlf...y-blossoms.jpg

Hmmm, there's one, perhaps there are more?

http://static.blogstorage.hi-pi.com/...nji-Shikai.jpg

http://xh.ferventfire.org/xh/pic/ima...nji_bankai.jpg

Hmmm, surely there aren't any other examples like this...

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/bl...aku_Shikai.jpg

http://www.boragungoren.com/images/ikkaku_bankai.jpg

By Thor, it's almost like there is a precedent for this sort of thing... huh?

http://angoez.files.wordpress.com/20...ken_shikai.jpg


http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/bl...ura_bankai.jpg



http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...nshikaibc8.gif
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...Enma_korou.JPG

Geee, now why could I possibly think this:

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__.../f2/Shinso.gif

Might bankai into something that would do this:

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__...ses_Bankai.png

Clearly it should have turned into gigantic fucking flowers or something, obviously a shikai turning into a larger/more powerful version of itself for a bankai is stupid as shit.


Serious question: how do you avoid hurting yourself when you get dressed in the morning?

[Souj]

your point is invalid because they all look different and do different things because of their form. Gin's is the exact same thing. same look, same exact ability, just longer.

Byakuya's Bankai is Sabensakura full time, with increased cutty-slicey parts. Then you have it's second form, which is still sabensakura, except all normal sized swords. 3rd form is the white noble whatsitwhatever thing.

Renji's Bankai increases in size/mass/bulk dramatically and can shoot beams and can be used as a car.

Ikkaku's bankai, like Renji's increases size/mass/bulk dramatically which also increases its attack power

Komamaru's bankai, I'm not sure why you added this one, as a regular sword is nowhere close to comparable to a huge ass giant.

Same with Tousen. his bankai is completely different than shikai.

Gin's Bankai looks exactly like his shikai and all it does (thus far) is grow longer than his original, which isnt that great to the reader as we didn't even know the limitations of his shikai until the same exact chapter he bankai's. If we knew its limit in size, lets say during the SS arc, it would have felt a bit more awesome, than just saying: "my shikai only reaches 100swords long, but hey, my bankai does 13km!"

I can understand some of the other arguments, but this one was completely unlogical in every way.
and honestly, maybe his bankai still does have some extra tricks. I know I sure as hell hope it does.

[BadKarma]

Souj would you rather him have to pop a pill every 4 hours to keep his sword all rigid?

[Xno Kappa]

*dumb irrelevant shit here*

Jesus Christ, now you're arguing just to argue. Of course everyone's bankai is a more powerful version of their shikai, who the fuck is arguing that? Cool pictures though I guess, glad you took the time to rebuke an argument to a discussion no one is having.

The whole point here is that Gin's design for his is fucking lame, plain and simple.

If you're just thinking about it as a really long piece of metal, it's not that interesting.

Oh I get it now, I guess you want everyone to pretend it's just something its not. If that's the case then it's cool. I will imagine it's a sniper rifle from now on.

Serious question: Do you have fun pretending to be some kind of fake-ass psuedo-scientist on the internetz while looking like a dumbass every other post?

[Souj]

Souj would you rather him have to pop a pill every 4 hours to keep his sword all rigid?

Maybe his bankai is also a pez dispenser for viagra.
I really don't care what his sword does, I was just expecting more. I'm sure we were all expecting more, which is why it was a let down. especially when it was followed by Ichigo simply stopping it when he's gotten the beatdown by every single other person he's fought thus far.
though honestly We've only seen one attack from it so no one even knows if it does anything else yet.

[Stiker]

Gin's Bankai looks exactly like his shikai and all it does (thus far) is grow longer than his original, which isnt that great to the reader as we didn't even know the limitations of his shikai until the same exact chapter he bankai's. If we knew its limit in size, lets say during the SS arc, it would have felt a bit more awesome, than just saying: "my shikai only reaches 100swords long, but hey, my bankai does 13km!"

You do realize the distances between the two are night and fucking day right? Yeah, his bankai is a bit lamer than I would've hoped, but being able to basically take out a town in a single slash is pretty fucking epic.

[Serra]

I never understood Komamura's Bankai.. Isn't his Shikai just the sword sans the giant? Seems an ominous sword that strikes as he does and isn't hindered by a giant would be better, but enough on that.

Byakuya's is actually the perfect one to prove Max's point. His Shikai is 1000 tiny blades which scatter and reflect the light to look like petals. His Bankai is millions of tiny blades which do the same thing. All the other forms are created by forcing those tiny blades together to magnify his power. Tousen's too to an extent. Instead of momentarily cutting off the senses for a single target, it creates a dome that cuts off the sense as long as the dome is up.

All that aside, at least to me, it feels that Gin's Shikai was changed to accommodate this Bankai. When he used it on Ichigo, Hitsuguya, and even in Momo's flashback (although this might be the one exception, since it could be interpreted that he fired it and swung it all in one attack..), it was always an extending shot. Even the release "Shoot to Kill" suggests that it fires out, not extends permanently. Saying that it's 100 sword lengths long and capable of being held that long after never using it that way, then showing this Bankai does make it seem kinda lame. However, imo, that's at least in part because of how he's using it here. Like Max said, the fact that Gin can swing it like a normal sword, even though it's crazy long, is pretty impressive. Imagine if he was using it against an army, not a single target. Especially at long range, if he could move the tip miles by the flick of his wrist, that's actually a pretty awesome ability.

[toonces]

physics mass * speed = more dmg. And his bankai has the speed of his shikai, think about that.

[Xno Kappa]

The ability of the bankai itself is bad ass, no question about it. It's just that for a manga that heavily depends on it's art design, it's a huge disappoint.

[Max™]

... of course they don't all follow the exact same rules, that is why they're interesting.


The basic idea of Renji's, Byakuya's, Ikkaku's, Komamura's (his Shikai is a giant disembodied hand/sword, remember?), all involve taking the initial effect and extending it somehow.

Lots of Bankai's do this.

Gin's shikai can apparently trace out a circle with a given radius as fast as he can swing his arm, giving the points closer to the tip significant angular velocity.

The simple observation that it does the same thing with a circle 26 km wide means the blade is moving stupid fucking fast.

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~malkan/as...s1a/rotvel.gif

The arrows near the center are how far something would go if released at the same speed as that portion of the radius is moving, and increases as you move further out at the same speed, of course.

Serious question: Do you have fun pretending to be some kind of fake-ass psuedo-scientist on the internetz while looking like a dumbass every other post?

You know it, toots.

[Karbuncle]

Max is right on this one, almost all Bankai's are just an extension on Shikai's power... Gin is no different, its just ... more boring.

So yeah, Its very boring looking and certainly not as flashy as the others and doesn't give you that cool feeling you got when you say... saw Ichigo's Bankai for the first time... but it doesn't mean its weak, considering he could level any entire city in 2 seconds simply by spinning his sword i'd say its rather powerful.

I'm more looking forward to see if Ichigo's dad has a Bankai...

[Max™]

No, you know what, I withdraw my argument.

Clearly Gin's Divine Spear should have turned into this:

http://www.taurinfox.com/art/2010/unicorn.jpg

ALWAYS, I WANT TO BE WITH YOU, AND MAKE BELIEVE WITH YOU...

http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/20...seachels14.gif

[Karbuncle]

So someone finally agrees with you and you give up?

Pussy!

[Max™]

Nah, I just know I'm right, so rather than gloat I'll be silly and point out how fucking awesomely hilarious it would have been for the anime to catch up to this point, and Gin to say "BAN-KAI!!!"

Then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUaKxFjlOpw

[Hyriu]

lol

[Souj]

I still have no idea what everyone's trying to be right about.
Everyone's talking about something different and I don't get the point of what there was to argue about in the 1st place other than the opinion of Gin's bankai being lame vs it not being lame.
Arguing is just a fun thing to do I guess. I know I find it entertaining.

I'll jump on the unicorn express.

[Chelly]

If gin can swing that shit as fast as he could with a normal sword, then thats pretty badass