Bleach

[Karbuncle]

Oh gorsh the retcon and shit is just so hilarious now. I keep reading these days to see how it ends.

Bravo, Kubo. You truly have shown you give not two fucks for how this story goes.

What was Retcon'd this week? I could have missed something... I did try to read it thoroughly.

If you're going to say its about the Quincy form and the glove... Really gotta wonder how terrible a writer you would be that your idea of "retcon" is "People in the story evolving and growing beyond previously written barriers".

Quincy's were pretty unknown outside of Ishida until now, Its not unfathomable to think if other Quincy's existed, they may have grown more powerful in a different way/method than Ishida did, Or developed ways to control their power more.

Then again - You could be talking about something completely different?

[kuronosan]

What was Retcon'd this week? I could have missed something... I did try to read it thoroughly.

If you're going to say its about the Quincy form and the glove... Really gotta wonder how terrible a writer you would be that your idea of "retcon" is "People in the story evolving and growing beyond previously written barriers".

Quincy's were pretty unknown outside of Ishida until now, Its not unfathomable to think if other Quincy's existed, they may have grown more powerful in a different way/method than Ishida did, Or developed ways to control their power more.

Then again - You could be talking about something completely different?

I call it the Piccolo effect. I don't mind evolution of characters. I hate pointless evolutions that "explain" something that was already explained or used as a plot device before so that it can be recycled and made "new". In this case, Piccolo fused with Nail as a plot device to fight Freeza only to get his ass handed to him. This plot device was later used again when Kami was retcon'd to be King Piccolo's other half so that when they fused they would be even more powerful than ever, only to get his ass handed to him by Imperfect Cell.

So in this case, it's awesome that Ishida has potential to be powerful because of the "perfect" Quincy form, but what good will it do? Who is he going to use it on? This "powerful" form of Quincies was retcon'd to exist so that Kubo could make them seem like a credible threat for his final arc.

There is literally no point to it - and no, not just because we don't know where it's going and haven't seen it yet, but because you can predictably see what's going to happen. Chad and Orihimme have already been relegated to uselessness by the dissolution of her barrier and him just standing there doing nothing.

Saying that the hidden Quincy have always been strong and that Souken just disagreed and was a failure is just retarded and it makes no sense that they would magically choose NOW to invade.

[Eurell]

I call it the Piccolo effect. I don't mind evolution of characters. I hate pointless evolutions that "explain" something that was already explained or used as a plot device before so that it can be recycled and made "new". In this case, Piccolo fused with Nail as a plot device to fight Freeza only to get his ass handed to him. This plot device was later used again when Kami was retcon'd to be King Piccolo's other half so that when they fused they would be even more powerful than ever, only to get his ass handed to him by Imperfect Cell.

So in this case, it's awesome that Ishida has potential to be powerful because of the "perfect" Quincy form, but what good will it do? Who is he going to use it on? This "powerful" form of Quincies was retcon'd to exist so that Kubo could make them seem like a credible threat for his final arc.

There is literally no point to it - and no, not just because we don't know where it's going and haven't seen it yet, but because you can predictably see what's going to happen. Chad and Orihimme have already been relegated to uselessness by the dissolution of her barrier and him just standing there doing nothing.

Saying that the hidden Quincy have always been strong and that Souken just disagreed and was a failure is just retarded and it makes no sense that they would magically choose NOW to invade.

Haha what? That was a well established fact since before DBZ even started, no?

And the rest, I'm pretty sure people in this thread already explained exactly how the quincee stuff now is stronger than it was for ishida.

[arus2001]

All we really know is Ishida's father is a douche and probably held back on his training. Beyond that, he's basically been on his own for learning since his grandfather was taken and killed. I'm willing to give some leeway to a group of dedicated Quncies knowing shit a prodigy wouldn't simply through collective experience and teaching, especially if they're more inclined to be ruthless and hostile. So, yeah, we can expect Ishida to pick up a new trick. Will he win with it? Does it matter? Fact is, he's not the main character. Even if he loses, it'll probably create some benefit for Ichigo.

Less One Winged Angels, more Nel titties. :<

[kuronosan]

Haha what? That was a well established fact since before DBZ even started, no?

And the rest, I'm pretty sure people in this thread already explained exactly how the quincee stuff now is stronger than it was for ishida.

I'm pretty sure Kami being Piccolo's other half wasn't revealed until the Cell Saga.

I'll really have to check, because you might be right and may be crazy. Hmph. Maybe it's a lunatic you're looking for.

edit: Nah you were right. I forgot about that whole couple of times where Kami died because Piccolo died and they didn't have the Dragonboobs.

[Karbuncle]

I call it the Piccolo effect. I don't mind evolution of characters. I hate pointless evolutions that "explain" something that was already explained or used as a plot device before so that it can be recycled and made "new". In this case, Piccolo fused with Nail as a plot device to fight Freeza only to get his ass handed to him. This plot device was later used again when Kami was retcon'd to be King Piccolo's other half so that when they fused they would be even more powerful than ever, only to get his ass handed to him by Imperfect Cell.

So in this case, it's awesome that Ishida has potential to be powerful because of the "perfect" Quincy form, but what good will it do? Who is he going to use it on? This "powerful" form of Quincies was retcon'd to exist so that Kubo could make them seem like a credible threat for his final arc.

There is literally no point to it - and no, not just because we don't know where it's going and haven't seen it yet, but because you can predictably see what's going to happen. Chad and Orihimme have already been relegated to uselessness by the dissolution of her barrier and him just standing there doing nothing.

Saying that the hidden Quincy have always been strong and that Souken just disagreed and was a failure is just retarded and it makes no sense that they would magically choose NOW to invade.

Not to sound too rude, But maybe Anime/Manga isn't your forte. Half of what you're complaining about goes on in 90% of Anime/Manga's in some form or another, and it happens often. Especially the "heavy combat" types... Like Bleach, Inuyasha, Dragon Ball Z...

Complaining about why a villain chooses "now" to attack seems kinda silly. They chose to attack now basically because the plot needed progression, I guess we could write in a few chapters of Ichigo doing schoolwork and Chad working in a Bakery, then call it a day? I joke, I joke... But really, They're attacking now so the plot can progress forward.

One could say they chose now to attack because they feel they're strong enough to win, or perfected their fighting... Or a bit more reason, I suppose you could say maybe they wanted to invade H.M First to make a base of operations/Fodder Troops for invading Soul Society... and after the incident with Aizen, They saw their opportunity. Considering their base is in H.M, And considering they have Arrancar amongst them, Who have been shown to be Disposable... It wouldn't be too far fetched to assume that's the reason.

I agree with you on the "Power ups that are ultimately worthless" type deal, Side character power-ups rarely matter for squat when we all know Ichigo will be the one to get victory... But a Story where only the main character evolves to grow stronger is just plain boring. Despite Side-Characters being little more than scenery, Its nice to know how they work and evolve along side the main character. So even if its an ultimately useless growth, It's still a story element of the side characters, which is a lot of what Anime/Mangas do.

So again, Maybe Anime/Manga just aren't your forte when you're pissed someones getting a buff that might prove to be useless in the coming chapters... Since that's ultimately everything Mangas/Anime are about... Otherwise if their buff kept working they wouldn't need to write the character a new power... *coughGetsugatenshocough*... So maybe thats a bad example?

[Xno Kappa]

I'm assuming they're choosing to attack now is because Aizen is out of the picture. They acknowledge he exists and questioned why he surrounded himself around weak ass arrancar so they had some respect for his power. I ultimately agree though, kinda pointless to ask why are they attacking now.

As for the Kami/Piccolo stuff, not sure exactly when it was first stated but I can definitely say it was brought up during the very first fight against Raditz. Was the whole point of them going to Namek to use their dragonballs after Piccolo died and took Kami with him.

[Sho]

Oh gorsh the retcon and shit is just so hilarious now. I keep reading these days to see how it ends.

Bravo, Kubo. You truly have shown you give not two fucks for how this story goes.

I swear you only read this to complain every week.

I also read your comments to complain about said complaining.

With that said, I hope Ayon wrecks shit, but we should know by now he's gonna lose and Ichigo forced to Bankai.

[Stilzkin]

Kami splitting off from Piccolo was explained when Kami first appeared, which was after Goku defeated King Piccolo. What doesn't make sense about it is just how much stronger the fusion made Piccolo (SS was 50x boost, so I'm guessing the fusion was greater than that. Also Piccolo seemed to be different than the original King Piccolo, he was not pure evil. Toriyama was never trying to write a real plot though so I don't think you can judge him too harshly on plot holes and lazy writing.

You can't say the same thing about Kubo. He does weird stuff like Aizen's speech near the end of his arc and the fullbringer arc which just makes you scratch your head. We know Freeza was evil and wanted to conquer stuff but what was Aizen trying to do with the King, Orihime, and Ichigo? DB was simple and didn't try to do more, with Bleach you get the feeling Kubo wants to do more but just keeps falling on his ass.

I think that is what is bothering people about the power up. Kubo has twisted himself into a spot that requires things to be explained but his explanations are always horrible. There is just something wrong about how he writes stuff. For example, he could have just had this be a new power up the Quincys had invented recently, and maybe made this the reason as to why they are attacking now, but instead he adds on something about some disagreement that occured in the past. Most likely he will add to this later on this arc but I'm certain the reason for the disagreement will turn out to feel forced, lead to plot holes, and include some large speech that doesn't really mean anything.

[Lucavi]

I swear you only read this to complain every week.

I also read your comments to complain about said complaining.

With that said, I hope Ayon wrecks shit, but we should know by now he's gonna lose and Ichigo forced to Bankai.

I hope he wrecks shit, too. I always liked him; love his character design, and good God, the size of that mouth.

[Xno Kappa]

Ishida basically one-shotted Mayuri with a half-assed incomplete outdated Letzt Stil. Why Quincy's being the main antagonist, at this obvious moment before they're overtaken by someone, and everyone hating on it posing a threat is beyond me. They're more then capable of taking Soul Society when an acknowledged shitty Quincy is even able to beat a Captain.

[Odin'sLaw]

in all fairness the soul Society had this coming, they did try to wipe out the Quincy race.

[KCem]

Saying that the hidden Quincy have always been strong and that Souken just disagreed and was a failure is just retarded and it makes no sense that they would magically choose NOW to invade.

It makes perfect sense that they'd attack now, Hueco Mundo is now weaker then it's ever been with the loss of nearly all the strong Espada and Aizen, and they've been capitalising on that fact by using it to boost their numbers. Sure they could have attacked right after Aizen was beaten, but they appear to have plans for stealing Ichigos Bankai.

And I think there's some misuse of the word retcon, as it refers to the amendment of already established facts. Kubo hasn't touched the facts that he's already given us, but just developed on them, albeit conveniently for the sake of having a new antagonist. It's feasible that a breakaway group of Quincy have perfected Letzt Stil into a more powerful fighting form over the course of a thousand years. There will probably some massive drawback that Ishida's grandfather knew about that'll be the reason he rejected it. Either that or it's some "too much power for a person to have" moral bull that he opposed.

[Cleverness]

in all fairness the soul Society had this coming, they did try to wipe out the Quincy race.

Pretty much this lol, while Ishida's family are the only one we've seen I think it's alittle silly to think he and his dad were the ONLY surviving Quincy in the entire world. Or ones who decided to live a normal life and not the Quincy lifestyle in seclusion. It's not like there isn't motive for them to attack. Ishida's Final Form was made less epic anyway when it went from "you'll lose your powers forever" to "you'll lose your powers for awhile and then they'll actually be stronger than before once you get shot with this arrow", I don't see what the uproar about this guy using it now is. Even if he did have the same handicaps as Ishida's, you can get your powers back later on anyway. Big whoop.

[arus2001]

I'd also call Mayuri one of the weaker captains to have defeated. He just happens to get by on gimmicks.

[Souj]

I'd also call Mayuri one of the weaker captains to have defeated. He just happens to get by on gimmicks.

All zanpaktou abilities are gimmicks and most the captains and other higher tier shinigami almost completely rely on their zanpaktou abilities.
If you take out every shinigami's gimmicks then I'd say Mayuri would have an edge as he actually prepares for things. True he may not be one of the more physically capable, but you can't disregard his preparation.

[arus2001]

"Hey guys, I put some spy cameras in the Quincy and just kinda swapped out all my body parts in a really short time period so I could win the fight."

There's your abilities shaping your fighting style, then there's just... well, Deus Ex Mayuri. There's a fine line between preparation and twinking in story context.

[Odin'sLaw]

"Hey guys, I put some spy cameras in the Quincy and just kinda swapped out all my body parts in a really short time period so I could win the fight."

There's your abilities shaping your fighting style, then there's just... well, Deus Ex Mayuri. There's a fine line between preparation and twinking in story context.

the man has a posion spitting baby for a sword i feel as tho your looking at this from a "this shit wouldn't be possible" if you want possible why are SPIRITS able to bleed?

[arus2001]

Don't mind his poison gimmick. The rest is just... eh.

[Boyiee]

It was one of the worst fights in the series. Don't you all remember how long and dragged on it was, and how much we all complained and whined for it to end and then it finally did and we were like oh fuck finally that was a cool way to kill him though and then the next fight started and everyone went fuck not again.