Bleach

[Gokulo]

His first post in this thread shows 2007 from what I can see.

[Tajin]

I'd take gif animations working over improved searh anyday.
Y u no gif tapatalk

[kuronosan]

hmm. I've been commenting in this thread for 3 years and suddenly I am getting called out.

Nothing I posted was egregiously wrong. The Shinigami and Quincy fought each other in the past, and even the first interactions between Uryuu and Ichigo were antagonistic. The Quincy didn't want to take orders from SS and because of that SS put them down. Now the Quincy have returned the favor and shit will hit the fan unless suddenly the Vandereich is all about balance, but hey they dont seem care about that.

I'll be sticking to the "topic" from now on. IF you want to call me out further do it in PM's rather than padding your overinflated post counts.

Everything you posted was rather incorrect.

Soul Society's existed for thousands of years. Hollows were not "created" to preserve a balance. Shinigami send souls to Soul Society to preserve the flow of souls in and out between worlds. Hollows came from the despair of humans who weren't sent (you know, like fiends in FFX). They created their own world, Hueco Mundo, to escape being sent by the Shinigami. When a hollow is killed by a Shinigami, they are purified and sent to Soul Society, thus preserving the balance. The Quincy wanted to help Soul Society because they were spiritually aware and thus could see and fight hollows/whatever. Unfortunately, Quincy don't send hollows, they destroy them completely. This undoes the balance between souls entering and souls leaving Soul Society. If you want to think of it this way - souls don't get reborn when Quincy are involved.

Since this was in direct conflict with how Soul Society operates they told the Quincy to stop but the Quincy said "lolno". That's when the "war" began.

At this point, it's likely Kubo has retconned some of this story because it makes no sense for Ishida's grandfather to be one of the last remaining Quincy that were hunted by Soul Society as a result of the war if it took place 1000 years ago. It's also possible he might go back and say that the Quincy actually don't destroy souls and that it was all some lie by the king to keep Soul Society as the sole society (lawl).

At no point did the Quincy EVER seek to destroy everything not human. You're thinking of the Bounts and they are the furthest thing from canon. The shinigami NEVER killed Quincy because they were recklessly killing everyone and they were murderous assholes. Until Kubo says otherwise, you're just talking out of your ass.

For someone who has been following this thread for years, you sure haven't been reading it.

Also, Hueco Mundo isn't even a factor in the balance between the real world and Soul Society (from Yama's point of view) so that was never a consideration for exterminating the Quincy. The problem stemmed completely from the fact that Hollows, once purified, returned to Soul Society. If killed by a Quincy, they didn't. It had absolutely nothing to do with Hueco Mundo whatsoever.

[Abandon]

The best part is, I had something similar to this typed up at work, but they decided to push an update on our system, and I lost it. Kudos, sir.

[Xno Kappa]

I don't think Kubo has retconned the time-line because he was still saying 200 years only a few chapters ago.

The way I see it, Quincy's lost a war Juha Bach lead a thousand years ago and the Shinigami were officially given an order to exterminate the remaining Quincy's 200 years ago. It makes sense because this is around the same time Opie said Souken's Quincy angel form, forget the name at the moment, was deemed obsolete with the rest of the Quincy's using the new and improved version.

New Quincy threat emerges, bam, they're to be exterminated.

[Tsuneo]

I wonder if Quinces go to Soul Society or hell. They're technically mortals right?

[arus2001]

Aside from Bach and some people seemingly pulling out the Uryuu's grandpa is somehow 200+ years old, that was always my assumption. While I wouldn't rule out their powers somehow inhibiting aging or even special rituals allowing things like reincarnation, Bach as a 1000+ year old Quincy leader still needs to be better explained.

[Xno Kappa]

It was the last chapter I think where the way Bach hinted about his age made it sound as if he was immortal. Something about he has all eternity to convince Aizen.

[finitek]

For someone who has been following this thread for years, you sure haven't been reading it.

Also, Hueco Mundo isn't even a factor in the balance between the real world and Soul Society (from Yama's point of view) so that was never a consideration for exterminating the Quincy. The problem stemmed completely from the fact that Hollows, once purified, returned to Soul Society. If killed by a Quincy, they didn't. It had absolutely nothing to do with Hueco Mundo whatsoever.

I think you are writing off the AMV's and alternate storylines here. HM, Hell, SS, Reality all exist in a balance (even wherever the Zero Squad and Spirit King are hanging out is included in this). If the balance breaks there isn't anything left. Cause if Reality is destroyed where are the souls going to come from? The system breaks and everyone loses. Reality has to be maintained or the shit hits the fan.

Chp. 46 from way back explains this pretty clearly.

Spoiler: show

The Quincy destroy souls (and the BALANCE). I never called them murderous assholes, but the Quincy disagreed with SS and as a result SS decides/is forced to wipe them out.

Spoiler: show

To assume the Quincy didn't fight back when SS went to "exterminate" them to keep the balance, is silly. Forgive me if I wasn't clear enough for your exacting standards. But the Quincy surely killed Shinigami in an effort to save themselves.

If the Quincy didn't want the Shinigami dead why are they invading SS? They are murdering people now, and this is what we have to go on. (In that way they are murdering assholes)

The big unexplained holes in the story now are how the hell are the 1000 year old Quincy still alive. And why other than revenge does it make sense to destroy the balance and eventually everything.

It's fun to debate this stuff, but Kubo likely seemingly doesn't even put this much thought into his writing.

[Tsuneo]

It was the last chapter I think where the way Bach hinted about his age made it sound as if he was immortal. Something about he has all eternity to convince Aizen.

It depends on which translation you read. The Mangastream translation makes it sound like Aizen has an eternity of imprisonment to live with for not joining Bach's army.

[Kisamoo]

Remember when Yama was fighting fake Juha and the explanation ended up being some half assed deus ex machina created in 2 pages? That's Bleach level writing folks.

[Insanecyclone]

[Odin'sLaw]

time line goes 2000 years ago Yama was reborn in SS 1000 years ago Bach got his ass handed to him, shortly after this battle yama opened up the academy to soul reapers, 200 years ago Quincy's got the final push to "extinction" (was never 100% explained why they decided enough was enough most likely due to spies finding out about there new power levels) 112 years ago Aizen had a stroke and decided upon his master plan, 102ish years ago Kenpachi joins Gotei 13 most of the captains question his brutality (even tho division 10 is known for its blood lust Kenpachi made the past captains look like babies sucking a pacifier) soon after a few members of the Gotei 13 and kudo corps are turned into visords and sentenced to death, Urahara and Tessai Tsukabishi with the help of Yoruichi escape with the visords, over the next 85 years SS goes a little crazy not much is known but its expected Issin leaves SS, 17 years ago the main cast is born. 13 years ago Ichigo's mom and Uryu's grandfather are killed (Uryu is suspect not sure if you actually get told how old uryu is when his grandfather is disected by Kuritsuchi) 2 years ago this crazy shit started! (well 11 to us but 2 in bleach world) pretty sure that is a quick and correct summary

[Abandon]

This really long post

[Xno Kappa]

but Kubo likely seemingly doesn't even put this much thought into his writing.

I disagree. Kubo may not spoon feed us the information but he's shown evidence quite a few times throughout his manga he has some forethought into his arcs. Aizen's "just as planned" rant about Ichigo's life is probably the only legitimate time we can call bullshit.

The problem with Kubo's style of writing is that not only does he not directly give us the information, he also does very little to help us connect the dots. The guy makes it so you go out of your way to read his databooks and reread countless old chapters.

[kuronosan]

I think you are writing off the AMV's and alternate storylines here. HM, Hell, SS, Reality all exist in a balance (even wherever the Zero Squad and Spirit King are hanging out is included in this). If the balance breaks there isn't anything left. Cause if Reality is destroyed where are the souls going to come from? The system breaks and everyone loses. Reality has to be maintained or the shit hits the fan.

Chp. 46 from way back explains this pretty clearly.

Spoiler: show

The Quincy destroy souls (and the BALANCE). I never called them murderous assholes, but the Quincy disagreed with SS and as a result SS decides/is forced to wipe them out.

Spoiler: show

To assume the Quincy didn't fight back when SS went to "exterminate" them to keep the balance, is silly. Forgive me if I wasn't clear enough for your exacting standards. But the Quincy surely killed Shinigami in an effort to save themselves.

If the Quincy didn't want the Shinigami dead why are they invading SS? They are murdering people now, and this is what we have to go on. (In that way they are murdering assholes)

The big unexplained holes in the story now are how the hell are the 1000 year old Quincy still alive. And why other than revenge does it make sense to destroy the balance and eventually everything.

It's fun to debate this stuff, but Kubo likely seemingly doesn't even put this much thought into his writing.

So basically what you're saying is that Greedo fired first. Gotcha.

[Xno Kappa]

It's been stated multiple times the balance is strictly between Soul Society and the Human World. Hueco Mundo and the Dangai dimension being destroyed by the loss of balance is a result of them being located in between those two realms.

As far as the spirit realm where the spirit king resides is concerned, you might as well make your own fanfic with the amount of information we have on it.

[kuronosan]

Hey don't come up in this thread with facts there, Ryan. This thread is for pure speculation and trolling only.

[Yugl]

Does anyone remember whether the recent problems resulted from an influx or deficiency of souls within SS? The latter is the only way for Quincy "imbalance" to make sense. If your balance is between the real world and SS only, taking out the middle men (Hollows) wouldn't impair the balance between the two unless SS is dishing out more souls than the real world can handle.

Edit: Nvm about the last edit. I thought I remembered them saying "too many @ SS" though.

[Yugl]

Found the line in case anyone was interested: http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v53/c489/15.html

I'm not sure why you would destroy souls within SS if the imbalance results with less souls going to SS than more. I'm guessing there's more to this story given the background though.