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**Souj** · 2012-10-19 20:40

yes? I'm sure all writers who write large works forget things. It's why the keep records to reread their own works. I'm confused how that counts against my statement.
He literally says in that quote that he doesn't have "uh-oh" moments because of that...

**Deadgye** · 2012-10-19 23:17

Of course he can't have "uh-oh" moments if he doesn't remember the stuff that would cause the "uh-oh" moment.

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**Souj** · 2012-10-20 00:00

because of context.

**Deadgye** · 2012-10-20 00:08

Kubo doesn't remember details like context.

**Sho** · 2012-10-20 01:40

The fuck am I reading? Stop acting like Kubo is a complete idiot, Dead/Serra, lol.

He doesn't forget major plot lines. Also sure he would not forget very obvious characterization of the main character. And he has since been referring to his own manga for inspiration as well.

Come on now.

**Serra** · 2012-10-20 03:24

Ignoring obvious issues with power levels..
How many characters have been seemingly forgotten/written off with no explanation (not to mention events -- we still don't know what Ichigo did in his training with Yoruichi to receive his Bankai), the timing of events contradict themselves (look a few pages ago with the discussion of the Quincy extermination), the fact that Ichigo breaks his own bones with his Bankai, the time limit on his Hollow form, that Ukitake and Shunsui have the only double Zanpaktous, the massive and long-term disparity and resulting resentment between Seireitei and Rukongai, Ichigo's friends confronting Urahara about him and their comprehension of Aizen's powers (which was established only a few weeks prior that those not on his level couldn't do it), the bodies in Syazel's lab (although that's still possible at this point..), and the fact that the last arc was supposed to reveal information about Isshin (which I'm assuming got pushed back to this arc).

Those are just the ones off the top of my head. Yes, he doesn't forget major plot lines, but this isn't a major plot line. I'll be genuinely surprised if his tattered clothes actually matter in this fight or in the future.

**Bail** · 2012-10-20 04:22

Originally Posted by Serra

Ignoring obvious issues with power levels..
How many characters have been seemingly forgotten/written off with no explanation (not to mention events -- we still don't know what Ichigo did in his training with Yoruichi to receive his Bankai), the timing of events contradict themselves (look a few pages ago with the discussion of the Quincy extermination), the fact that Ichigo breaks his own bones with his Bankai, the time limit on his Hollow form, that Ukitake and Shunsui have the only double Zanpaktous, the massive and long-term disparity and resulting resentment between Seireitei and Rukongai, Ichigo's friends confronting Urahara about him and their comprehension of Aizen's powers (which was established only a few weeks prior that those not on his level couldn't do it), the bodies in Syazel's lab (although that's still possible at this point..), and the fact that the last arc was supposed to reveal information about Isshin (which I'm assuming got pushed back to this arc).

Those are just the ones off the top of my head. Yes, he doesn't forget major plot lines, but this isn't a major plot line. I'll be genuinely surprised if his tattered clothes actually matter in this fight or in the future.

I thought Ichigo receiving his bankai was mapped out? He stabbed zangetsu into the doll that Urahara made that forces the spirit inside the blade to manifest itself and then they fought for three days.

**Abandon** · 2012-10-20 04:45

Originally Posted by Serra

Ignoring obvious issues with power levels..
How many characters have been seemingly forgotten/written off with no explanation (not to mention events -- we still don't know what Ichigo did in his training with Yoruichi to receive his Bankai), the timing of events contradict themselves (look a few pages ago with the discussion of the Quincy extermination), the fact that Ichigo breaks his own bones with his Bankai, the time limit on his Hollow form, that Ukitake and Shunsui have the only double Zanpaktous, the massive and long-term disparity and resulting resentment between Seireitei and Rukongai, Ichigo's friends confronting Urahara about him and their comprehension of Aizen's powers (which was established only a few weeks prior that those not on his level couldn't do it), the bodies in Syazel's lab (although that's still possible at this point..), and the fact that the last arc was supposed to reveal information about Isshin (which I'm assuming got pushed back to this arc).

Those are just the ones off the top of my head. Yes, he doesn't forget major plot lines, but this isn't a major plot line. I'll be genuinely surprised if his tattered clothes actually matter in this fight or in the future.

both of these are explained. the mask duration ties directly to how much one trains/uses it, also has to do with spiritual power. Bankai breaking bones? it was the first time he'd used it for any duration, the strain was hard on him. Clearly he's gotten over that.

**Yugl** · 2012-10-20 04:45

Well, he did undergo the training, but the training didn't not show a "completion"; we just assume a completion because he gained Bankai.

http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Bankai_Training

**arus2001** · 2012-10-20 04:49

Originally Posted by Serra

Ignoring obvious issues with power levels..
How many characters have been seemingly forgotten/written off with no explanation (not to mention events -- we still don't know what Ichigo did in his training with Yoruichi to receive his Bankai),

Mentioned above with the dummy.

the timing of events contradict themselves (look a few pages ago with the discussion of the Quincy extermination),

Bach's age is what really needs explained in this context. Otherwise eliminating the quincies only seems like a temporary solution to the problem they introduced if you consider them an offshoot of spiritually aware humans. They may have very well been wiped out 1000 years back, but over time more would be born. I'd say SS would have a hard time knowing they actually got them all, too. Prior to shit like the telegraph, communicating way back when would also complicate matters for Quincies, so you'd probably have a sect in Japan with another that went off to Germany or something. SS only really seems to give a shit about Japan.

the fact that Ichigo breaks his own bones with his Bankai,

I'd be willing to pass this off as a lack of mastery early on. Remember, he's got a metric fuck ton of reiatsu and was using something Captains typically needed hundreds of years to master. I'd expect some consequences.

the time limit on his Hollow form,

His lacking confidence to keep it in check and protect his friends in the process was what forced this. The moment he resolved to protect Orihime and not make her cry, he beat his Hollow issue for the time.

that Ukitake and Shunsui have the only double Zanpaktous,

Not really important to the plot at all.

the massive and long-term disparity and resulting resentment between Seireitei and Rukongai,

I wouldn't call this not important, but it's also not exactly pivotal to the characters. One could say it served to inspire characters like Gin, Rangiku, Renji, Rukia, and Hitsugaya to better themselves by becoming shinigami, but it's otherwise just a parody of RL 99%ing with the progressively richer living in the smaller number districts.

Ichigo's friends confronting Urahara about him and their comprehension of Aizen's powers (which was established only a few weeks prior that those not on his level couldn't do it)

Remember how Ichigo's energy apparently activated the powers of Chad and Orihime? Well, it's not like those others weren't exposed to it, too. Basically, they'd been exposed to Aizen-level power or better since day one, they just lacked the catalysts to start seeing dead people and such. Whether or not they ever acquire abilities is another matter, but I'd say Tatsuki could qualify.

, the bodies in Syazel's lab (although that's still possible at this point..),

Yeah, this would be nice, but I feel like it'll be related to Isshin stuff.

and the fact that the last arc was supposed to reveal information about Isshin (which I'm assuming got pushed back to this arc).

Hard to say here. I'm of the camp he used to be a Shiba, hence why Ichigo looks like Kaien. Ginjou falling out with the soul reapers and Isshin apparently losing his powers could've lent itself to a situation similar to Rukia and Ichigo, just Isshin's punishment would've been more sensible without Aizen fucking with the 46. But the fact Isshin knows about the FGT suggests he lost his powers using that for some purpose. That doesn't quite eliminate the happenings with Ginjou, as Rukia also regained her powers eventually, but there's still a lot of blanks that need filled in here. I wouldn't expect any of this until either Zero Squad shows up or the Quncies finally pull out and there's some aftermath, possibly in the real world.

**Xno Kappa** · 2012-10-20 04:52

- They showed Ichigo's bankai training almost in its entirety. They didn't show his first transformation into bankai for obvious reasons, to build suspense for the Byakua fight.

- The Quincy time-line has yet to be explained because the arc is still ongoing.

- Who else has double zanpaktou's in Soul Society besides Shunsei and Ukitake?

- Ichigo's bones breaking was stated by Byakuya that it was most likely due to his immaturity with the bankai having just learned it.

- Ichigo's lengthened Hollow transformation can be chalked up to natural progression. It's constantly stated in the manga Ichigo is gifted with the ability to learn and grow his skills at outstanding pace.

- Not sure where you're getting at here? Do you want an explanation of Soul Society's hierarchy?

- Again, Aizen flat-out stated he purposely lowered his reiatsu to fuck with Ichigo's friends.

- Kubo hinted the bodies would be explained in this arc.

- Isshin's background story could just as easily be inserted into this arc Turn Back The Pendulum style.

**Yugl** · 2012-10-20 04:58

Remember that Ichigo interrupted Yoruichi before she could issue a final warning. Given that, the abnormality of capturing Ichigo's bankai (Unexplained now), the relation between Cero and Tensho, and the unseen moment of success, we could see that Ichigo "completed" the training abnormally (Maybe with Hollow form?) and that is why his powers are different.

**arus2001** · 2012-10-20 05:06

Well, he did get jumper cabled by a fuckton of shinigami to get his powers restored, and it did manifest with look changing. I'd relate any inability to steal his bankai to that or the earlier FGT acquisition. Both are situations no other shinigami has seemingly gone through in this arc.

**Tsuneo** · 2012-10-23 04:15

513 spoilers are showing up already. Hopefully, we'll get an early release for jump this week.

edit: Spoilers might be fake, so might not be any early release.

**kuronosan** · 2012-10-23 12:37

Basically:

Spoiler: show

I'm calling it now:

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**finitek** · 2012-10-23 13:23

Originally Posted by kuronosan

Basically:
I'm calling it now:

Spoiler: show

That would be appropriate.

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**Uzor** · 2012-10-23 13:25

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**Serif** · 2012-10-23 13:41

Originally Posted by kuronosan

Basically:

Spoiler: show

I'm calling it now:

Spoiler: show

**BadKarma** · 2012-10-23 16:58

He was stuck in that in between place again. So. Yeh.

**arus2001** · 2012-10-23 17:03

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