Bleach

**Yugl** · 2013-02-21 10:53

Or we didn't read the dipshit version. There's quite a difference in meaning and I'm content to go with the one not discussing "serving Ichigo", "bridesmaids", and "gettin' game on."

**Eurell** · 2013-02-21 10:56

I read Mangapanda first, normally people complain about that translation. Either way it's saying the same thing.

"The fact that asauchi didn't choose you, the fact that you were able to fight without Asauchi so far... You don't understand how serious that is"

The dude is impressed as fuck with Ichigo for fighting by himself that long. Asauchi didn't help him, so the dude called the fight. I don't see how the different translation change anything I said.

**Yugl** · 2013-02-21 11:06

The difference is between "Asauchi didn't choose you because you were able to hold your own" and "You don't understand the meaning behind the fact that the Asauchi didn't choose you and the fact that you've fought without the Asauchi so far." The latter enables a third correlation between the two (i.e. a separate reason both outcomes occurred) and the former simply suggests Asauchi negligence instigated the outcome. Not to mention, the latter doesn't suggest he was able to hold his own against them without the Asauchi. That seems to the main issue here.

**Eurell** · 2013-02-21 11:24

Originally Posted by Yugl

Not to mention, the latter doesn't suggest he was able to hold his own against them without the Asauchi. That seems to the main issue here.

I don't see how we can both be reading this sentence so differently.

"The fact that you were able to fight without Asauchi so far"

Ichigo did good for not having Asauchi's help (Which Renji had). Ichigo wasn't even done when they called the fight. He could have kept going, but the guy (I keep forgetting his name) said he didn't have the patience to keep watching.

**kuronosan** · 2013-02-21 11:37

Originally Posted by Uzor

I mean, Ichigo's sword is broken. So is Renji's, but Renji is a shinigami. He has other means of fighting, such as with Kido, which Ichigo doesn't have access to. It leaves Ichigo pretty uch completely defenseless other than his fists (and he's never shown to be proficient in martial arts)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLBBiguH10c

That's not even counting that he trained with Tatsuki when they were kids, who is supposedly a martial arts master herself.

**Yugl** · 2013-02-21 11:42

I consider being able to fight and being able to hold your own very different meanings. There's a distinct difference between Ichigo scrubbing the floor and Renji standing among fallen Asauchi within this scene.

To put this more blatantly, we don't know what they had to do within the fight to gain the Asauchi's support. What we do know is Ichigo had his ass kicked, Renji didn't (Seemingly), and the Asauchi only selected Renji during this. What we don't know, for certain, is why this happened. That is where the speculation arises. Simply saying Ichigo isn't a Shinigami makes no sense because he had (And supposedly has if he could fix the sword) the power before.

Edit: And no, "He was chosen" isn't relevant because we're asking what they did to make this outcome happen; not the result of the outcome.

**Eurell** · 2013-02-21 12:02

I'm just assuming he didn't get chosen because he is half quincy or some shit like that.

Asauchi helped Renji because he is a shingami, and didn't help Ichigo because he isn't. I think looking into it anymore than that is pointless.

**Yugl** · 2013-02-21 12:07

Any speculation or discussion of inconsistency is pointless. That's what happens though.

**Eurell** · 2013-02-21 12:16

Yeah pointless was probably not the word I meant to use lol. I actually had a longer post but Ive been doing other shit the whole time I wrote it, and completely lost my train of thought.

Speculation and discussion is cool, but demanding an answer when we already have one (just not as detailed as we would like) is a bit much I think. I see it a lot when people want these giant in depth explanations to something that can easily be explained away.

Spoiler: show

**Charismatic** · 2013-02-21 12:21

No one knows anything but there's an argument... aaaaaaahhhhhh!!

**Yugl** · 2013-02-21 12:38

I'm not into dragging this out much more because I just wanted to point out that using a superior translation leaves this ambiguous/inconsistent despite your claim that the issue is perfectly clear. I don't think anyone really cares about the depth of the explanation anyways; they just like saying the story is inconsistent.

Spoiler: show

In short, Quincy and Shinigami aren't mutually exclusive. Ichigo seems to be both. The guy says he isn't a Shinigami. How is this distinguished if not by having a Zanpakutou and Bankai? No one knows what was required to complete the training.

**Eurell** · 2013-02-21 13:21

But he doesn't have a zanpakutou. It's broken and won't be rebuilt (as of right now). I can agree to disagree with the rest lol

**Charismatic** · 2013-02-21 13:36

The one thing I'm gonna point out in this silly argument is that I bet he's just using figurative speech when he says Ichigo is not a Shinigami.
Like saying he's not a "real nigga" kinda thing. I doubt it means anything at all in the literal sense and it just equates to "you're doing it wrong."

That was my take on it anyway.

**Kisamoo** · 2013-02-21 16:23

Asauchi didn't choose Ichigo because he's a quincy. Duh.

**Guitarman** · 2013-02-21 17:23

Originally Posted by Charismatic

The one thing I'm gonna point out in this silly argument is that I bet he's just using figurative speech when he says Ichigo is not a Shinigami.
Like saying he's not a "real nigga" kinda thing. I doubt it means anything at all in the literal sense and it just equates to "you're doing it wrong."

That was my take on it anyway.

This is pretty much my feeling on it also. I doubt it's literal.

**Abandon** · 2013-02-21 18:07

I'm confused about people saying ichigo isn't good with his hands. Nigga beat the best karate kid in the country when he was younger (that one girl), and when he rescued rukia, straight up KO'd 3 vice captains with 3 punches. Y'all are confusing

**AoE** · 2013-02-21 18:35

He wasn't beatin Yamamato doe.

God rest his soul. ;-;

**Abandon** · 2013-02-21 18:36

nobody was beating yama with they hands, lets be real

**Sunrider** · 2013-02-21 19:13

Originally Posted by AoE

He wasn't beatin Yamamato doe.

Spirit King rest his soul. ;-;

Fixed.

**Deadgye** · 2013-02-21 20:29

People are confused because they're looking at shit backwards. Asauchi didn't not choose Ichigo because he got his ass whooped; Ichigo got his ass whooped because Asauchi didn't choose him. As such, talking about the differences between Rejni's and Ichigo's strength without swords is just silly and unrelated.

This realization has nothing to do with translation differences,.

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