Bleach

**Odin'sLaw** · 2013-03-13 11:37

Ichigo's Vasto lord Hollow V2 is based off of this one (this one was shown to us around the time they first entered Hueco mondo (sp?) which would be around when karakura was invaded by Grimmjow

when he said it shows up during the rain i'd have honestly bet it was grand fisher :/

**Serif** · 2013-03-13 11:52

Originally Posted by Odin'sLaw

Ichigo's Vasto lord Hollow V2 is based off of this one (this one was shown to us around the time they first entered Hueco mondo (sp?) which would be around when karakura was invaded by Grimmjow

when he said it shows up during the rain i'd have honestly bet it was grand fisher :/

Was it ever stated that hollows could de-evolve? I know they can evolve into arrancars/vasto lords. Highly doubt this lord is Grand Fisher just doesn't seem right seeing how Fishers move was the lure and all that jazz plus when he turned into an arrancar he looked nothing like this guy.

**KCem** · 2013-03-13 12:04

Originally Posted by Serif

Was it ever stated that hollows could de-evolve? I know they can evolve into arrancars/vasto lords. Highly doubt this lord is Grand Fisher just doesn't seem right seeing how Fishers move was the lure and all that jazz plus when he turned into an arrancar he looked nothing like this guy.

I recall it being mentioned that Adjuchas would devolve back into a Gillian if they ever stopped trying to move forwards, unless they got locked in to their current stage by being "eaten", hence why Grimmjows gang let him munch on them all.

**Odin'sLaw** · 2013-03-13 12:06

Originally Posted by Serif

Was it ever stated that hollows could de-evolve? I know they can evolve into arrancars/vasto lords. Highly doubt this lord is Grand Fisher just doesn't seem right seeing how Fishers move was the lure and all that jazz plus when he turned into an arrancar he looked nothing like this guy.

Grand fisher could have used his lore to make Isshin scared and hesitate i suppose but no Grand fisher didn't evolve til the 2nd arc which is 20ish years later?

**Ayn** · 2013-03-13 12:16

Depends on if Masaki means "Auntie" literally. Dear god though, she reminds me of Orihime. It's not unheard of for cousins to marry, after all, in these elite families.

Wonder if Ryuken ends up banging the maid.

**Tsuneo** · 2013-03-13 12:38

It's possible Masaki will end up using Letzt Stil in this battle which could explain why she was so vulnerable to Grand Fisher.

**Sho** · 2013-03-13 13:34

Quite the interesting chapter

**Xno Kappa** · 2013-03-13 13:52

Break weeks are gay as hell. Stop being fucking lazy Kubo, I needs mah fix.

**Tajin** · 2013-03-13 13:54

What he said.

**Correction** · 2013-03-13 13:55

Originally Posted by Xno Kappa

Break weeks are gay as hell. Stop being fucking lazy Kubo, I needs mah fix.

Hey man the guy had to draw like six and a half backgrounds and skylines this chapter. SIX AND A HALF. And another one of these.

http://i.minus.com/ibtA704M9u7Gzt.png

This is hard work, man needs his rest.

**Xno Kappa** · 2013-03-13 13:56

Also, I love how we were all "How the fuck does a captain lose to a lame ass hollow!?" before this chapter and then all of a sudden it's "Oh fuck it's a Vasto Lorde!!!"

Interesting chapter is motherfucking interesting son!

**fantasticdan** · 2013-03-13 14:00

Originally Posted by Tymon

Of note, this is the first canon Vasto Lorde appearance in the entire series

I still don't get what a vasto lorde is/isn't. Has Kubo even brought up the term since Hitsugaya mentioned it that one time, when it showed the silhouette of Ulquiorra?

**kuronosan** · 2013-03-13 14:07

I originally thought Aizen, Gin, and Tousen curb-stomped Isshin. Now I'm starting to think maybe Aizen had used the Hogo to merge this hollow with Masaki and Isshin's unborn son. I wouldn't mind that as a plot point and it would explain why Aizen was watching Ichigo so much. Maybe he figured the spiritual essence of the offspring of a Quincy and a Shinigami would provide a stable vessel for hollowfication.

Being the son of a Quincy and Shinigami he possesses all the latent techniques of both as well as the spirit of his sword. As a member of the Shiba household he possesses unusually high spirit energy and the body he has gives him a 'permanent' gigai.

I think Urahara severing the ties between Ichigo's soul and his body is frankly what unlocked everything all at once and the hollow side of him was also unleashed.

This story has a lot of potential. I hope he doesn't Kubo it up.

**Tajin** · 2013-03-13 14:35

The fact he choose to draw this guy as ichigo SSSSJ form should tell you what's going to happen.

**Lebzile** · 2013-03-13 17:13

No, Ichigo. you are the hollows.

**Uzor** · 2013-03-13 17:43

I highly doubt Masaki saves him by losing her powers at this point. She's seen saving him from the Grand Fisher at a later point, no?

I think it's more likely he uses FGT against it and manage to weaken it, turning it in to a devolved Grand Fisher. The Grand Fisher then retreats, and Soul Society assumes that he dies due to them not being able to track his spiritual presence - a result from him losing his Shinigami Powers. They declare him dead, and replace him with a new captain. He tracks down Urahara, whom he knows is positioned in the town for help, and he helps him get settled in to the town. Later, the Grand Fisher tracks him down for revenge, which is when Masaki saves him. Since he's an ex-captain, he realizes that she's a Quincy, and state "to be saved by a Quincy..." The two of them start dating, and she gets pregnant. Sometime during the pregnancy, the Grand Fisher once again attacks for revenge, and she gets wounded and infected by the Grand Fisher's reiatsu - which is how Ichigo becomes a Fullbring. This is also why his Hollow-form takes the shape of this Vasto Lorde. Later on, she gets attacked and killed by the Grand Fisher, who have been tracking them both for revenge. This probably lead Isshin to search for a way to reclaim his Shinigami powers, so he would be able to protect his family would the Grand Fisher return once again for his family.

That is, I believe, the most plausible chain of events. It explains hos Ichigo's Hollow takes the shape of this Vasto Lorde, how he's a Quincy/human/shinigami hybrid, and why his reiatsu is so strong - due to being a mix of three different sources; a Vasto Lorde, a Shiba and a Quincy. This is probably why Aizen also took great interest in him, as he'd be the only "perfect" Vizard, and probably tried to find a way to mimic it, which is why he challenged him to watch him grow.

Edit: It's also a possibility that he didn't use FGT in this battle, and that he never even used it at all, but gor whatever reason was saved by Masaki later. He started dating her, Soul Society found out, and the Shiba clan was forever shamed and removed as a noble family. That could have happened even with him losing his powers, though.

**Phoenyx** · 2013-03-13 19:41

Masaki is seen running to Isshin after he'd been fucked up pretty badly. http://mangastream.com/read/bleach/10352051/20 However, there is not any indication as to what fucked him up.

It's safe to assume that the hollow we see in this chapter is what fucks him up. And it's all but said that Aizen made this hollow on the first page of this chapter (along the side; vertical). http://mangastream.com/read/bleach/45526504/1

Honestly, Grand Fisher probably only comes into play in that he managed to kill Masaki as she was protecting Ichigo. He saw the bait, she saw the hollow, shit went South. I don't think there's much more to it than at, personally.

As far as Ichigo's full hollow form resembling the one we see in this chapter, I don't have a clue. Unless we find out that Masaki and Isshin have been having a secret love affair for a while before this and that she is already pregnant with Ichigo, thus some of this hollow's reiatsu manages to latch onto the fetus or some weir shit.

**Lucavi** · 2013-03-13 20:06

Yeah, Grand Fisher knew too little about Shinigami to ever have been a Vasto Lorde. He didn't even know about releasing zampakuto. Most likely he was some bottom feeder who happened to be at the right place at the right time. I'm going with the Vasto Lorde baby Ichigo fusion theory.

*edit

**Uzor** · 2013-03-13 20:22

Knowing about Shinigami is not a requirement to be a vasto lorde. Besides, retcon. Wouldn't be the first time Kubo has taken something from the past and give it a more important meaning that doesn't really make sense based on previous information, is it?

I missed the "Aizen's machination" from that chapter. Suppose it makes a great deal of sense that he'd turn the Shinigami of Karakura in to a vaizard, too, but that leaves the question of why it looks like Ichigo.

**kuronosan** · 2013-03-13 23:31

Kaien?

Thread: Bleach

Thread Tools

Latest Threads

Up & Coming Threads

Hottest Threads