Bleach

[Xno Kappa]

I doubt Bach can swipe Quincy powers at will like some of you seem to think. The chapter deliberately described it as a ritual to regain his strength that occurred all at once nine years ago after being sealed away for so long.

[Abandon]

I definitely agree with your assessment of his potential, but I don't understand why someone would make that statement prior to training. I'm not convinced most people would say "You better watch out because this untrained pupil is fucking badass!".



Well, a few advantages:
1. The Shinigami were probably worried he would turn against them if he learned of this mid-battle uh, if they felt he was gonna turn, they'd have never given this nigga his powers back
2. He needs to be aware of Bach's ability to snare quincy powers maybe, i suppose
3. We really don't know what this means for how Ichigo has been using his power (Remember the congruence between his Zanpakuto's avatar and Bach?) what?
4. He never knew of his relation to Bach and Bach's statement may make Ichigo reluctant to attack him (Remember when everyone speculated that Bach was Ichigo's father? An incorrect suspicion, but one made nonetheless!) who the fuck here thought Bach was his dad? what the fuck, where'd you get that from?
5. If opposing powers keep each other in check, could this mean he inadvertently sealed one power using another?

my thoughts

[Abandon]

I doubt Bach can swipe Quincy powers at will like some of you seem to think. The chapter deliberately described it as a ritual to regain his strength that occurred all at once nine years ago after being sealed away for so long.

my nigga

[Serra]

I doubt Bach can swipe Quincy powers at will like some of you seem to think. The chapter deliberately described it as a ritual to regain his strength that occurred all at once nine years ago after being sealed away for so long.

I'm leaning to it being more than just a ritual because of Masaki losing her powers. If it was just a ritual to steal powers away from non-pureblood Quincy, then Masaki should have kept her powers no problem. In the MangaStream translation, it says that he picked the Quincy that he thought were impure and took their powers. It sounds like more than just a ritual where Bach lit some candles, said some words, pricked his finger and all the non-pureblood Quincy lost their power; and more like something where he had control over enough to decide "I'm taking this person's power, I'm not taking this person's, etc".

I'm not sure it'll come back to bite Ichigo, but I'm not as willing to write it off.

[Yugl]

my thoughts

1. Kenpachi . When they sent Ichigo back, they say he has to learn about his roots even if he never returns.
3. The parenthesis asks whether the similarities between Ichigo's Shikai and Juha Bach's weapon as well as Juha Bach's look and Zangetsu's look are coincidental (Zangetsu looks like a mash between Juha's general design and Isshin's beard). If not, what could this mean for his power? We're fairly certain Ichigo has realized a new power (The defense move), but this may have implications for how he understands/uses his power.
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v53/c514/8.html (Bach's weapon looks like Ichigo's Shikai)
http://www.mangahere.com/manga/bleach/v53/c514/10.html (Ichigo's reiatsu "awakened", whatever that means)
4. That was an error. I looked back and no one made that relation; just that they are related by Quincy blood.

[Xno Kappa]

I'm leaning to it being more than just a ritual because of Masaki losing her powers. If it was just a ritual to steal powers away from non-pureblood Quincy, then Masaki should have kept her powers no problem.

The MangaStream translations specifically said Bach selected "impure" Quincies, not non-pureblood. In the same chapter Isshin also stated "Since Masaki was originally a pure-blood Quincy...", relating to her current state being infused with a hollow. Then you have the last chapter where it was flat-out said Masaki was allowed to leave the Ishida household because her soul was tainted by a hollow, remember the whole point she was brought in was to maintain integrity of the Quincy lineage with Ryuuken.

Masaki was no longer considered a pure Quincy, her blood and soul were tainted by a hollow. The last two chapters make that abundantly clear lol.

[Serra]

My way of looking at it is that both her parents were Quincies, so she is a pureblood. Yes, she was tainted by a Hollow, but that doesn't change who her parents were. I took Isshin's description of this process to mean that Jubach decided which Quincy were impure, and stole their powers.

[Xno Kappa]

Her parents are irrelevant lol.

Bottom-line is that at the time "Ausscheren" was carried out, Masaki was considered an impure Quincy and subsequently had her powers stripped away along with the rest for Juha Bach to regain his "full strength." It was a ceremony attached to an old Quincy folklore.

Am I taking crazy pills or something? I thought the last two chapters were very straightforward about this lol.

[Abandon]

^

[Alarial]

Zangetsu's similarity to Bach could just be that Ichigo's soul is part quincy, and a Zanpactu is just a manifestation of your soul's will/force. Perhaps though, if his original Zanpactu was forged from his quincy powers/soul, that's why he was the only person to not use/need an Assachi (spelling?). So maybe now he'll go get a real Zanpactu, or merge Zangetsu with a real soul reaper blade. It's great that he has potential to be as strong as the other quincies now, but I'm still not sure how they're going to progress his character or get around the problem of Bach apparently having total control over Quincy power..

[kuronosan]

Good god, he has a real zanpakutou. The issue is that he manifested it on his own without pouring it into a sword. The point of this story isn't to illustrate that he has Quincy powers that can be taken away by Spirit-Hitler. The point of this story is to show that Ichigo didn't know where he came from or who he was and thus did not have any sort of idea where the origin of his power was. It's a combination of his human element (Quincy), his father (Shinigami), and Aizen's experiments on his mother (Hollow). All this will do is serve to allow Ichigo to have the resolve to gain more power to return to the Royal Realm and get Zangetsu back in a true form.

This is not a story of "AMAGAD DA KING WILL STEAL HISS POWA". Ichigo's abilities do NOT stem from Masaki. They come from Isshin and from his Shiba lineage.

[Alarial]

No need to get upset, and you're making just as many assumptions as I am. I never said his Zanpakutou wasn't "real." I said he forged it without having to pour it into a soul (we're not disagreeing). I also just postulated a reason why Zangetsu looked like Bach (because his Zanpakutou is a manifestation of his soul, which is party Quincy).

And "knowing where you come from" doesn't really do anything for you, as I stated. The question is: How is this actually going to make him stronger, fix his sword, or make him more vulnerable. That questions still hasn't been answered. You may feel it's all tied up nice and neat, but for me there are just more questions.

[kuronosan]

1) Not upset
2) Not making assumptions, speculating
3) Speculation is based on facts currently presented in the manga and not sexual dreams of Uryuu
4) Don't feel like it's all tied up and neat, read my post history in this thread
5) Profit

[Souj]

Hey guys, I think Ichigo might be related to the Shibas.

[bechyni]

Hey guys, I think Ichigo might be related to the Shibas.

stop making assumptions

[Deadgye]

Alarial needs to go back and read my enlightened theory-gasms from a few weeks back. They're only becoming more true.

Now that he knows he's a quincy he's probably gonna go hit up Urahara and then meditate with Zangetsu for a few minutes and then materialize him good as new like a baws.

[Insanecyclone]

Like someone mentioned pages back, he better get new abilities after this reveal. Getsuga Tensho spam is olde now.

[arus2001]

Wouldn't be surprised if he could never use GT again. While I'm not so quick to call Zangetsu some kind of representation of Bach within Ichigo's inner world (You can find Kubo recycling eyes/mouths/noses/etc. all over the place), it seemed more like his old self was basically "borrowing" Engetsu as an unconscious understanding of shinigami with White obviously comprising the hollow. Of course, Zangetsu hated the rain for reasons we should hopefully be able to connect the dots toward. The fact Ichigo's look changed when he got recharged would also imply that he hasn't really been using his unique talents to begin with, but just further interpreting the mixed energies he's got bottled up within and the Asauchi turning him down more or less confirming it. I'm also entertaining the thought that FGT isn't some phase beyond bankai with an extreme consequence, but more Zangetsu knowing Ichigo would finally expend his borrowed energy without means to replenish it. Ichigo lacking spiritual awareness after that just reflects his human/fullbring and quincy aspects being untrained because he'd literally had his powers handed to him at birth and jumpstarted by Rukia.

I'm feeling the manji symbol is somehow playing as a clue, as it's something he retained after bankai, FGT, FB, and reboot. I know the zanpakutou usually get unique guards as is, but the potential buddhist applications with a "one with everything" mindset just seems Kubo.

[bechyni]

http://www.mangapanda.com/bleach/538

[Guitarman]

Damn good chapter. Can't wait for next week.