Bleach

[Uzor]

It confirmed that Aizen's whites are similar to Asauchis. Which I even said in my post.

[Sho]

Re-read chapter 537. It really makes sense now why Juha Bach-Zangetsu says he hates the rain in Ichigo's inner world hundreds of chapters ago.

[Uzor]

Because of the hollow? I assumed that had to do with the White inside of him because it always rained whenever it appeared. I had forgotten he even said that tbh.

[LinktheDeme]

I don't really believe the whole mimic of shinigami abilities unless Kubo is trolling everyone. He has to retain shinigami abilities to some extent rather than mimicing. In the very early arcs it stated quincy abilities destroy hollows rather than "saving" them, where they get judged either to heaven or hell. Even if quincy abilities were mimicing shinigami ones that wouldnt change the nature of the abilities and would end up destroying the hollows that Ichigo fought in the earlier chapters rather than them being judged, sending them off to either heaven or hell. Not to mention when Ichigo gets his zankpaktu the way he finds it is by pulling the thread that has the color of a shinigami aura.

The only counterargument I can think of is that they mimic the abilities to the exact point at which they're able to fully act and appear as shinigami abilities, which at the end of the day is shinigami abilities. However that would just be speculating a stretch which I think is less likely to occur than him just retaining a portion of shinigami abilities via the bloodline.

[Xno Kappa]

It confirmed that Aizen's whites are similar to Asauchis. Which I even said in my post.

White is similar to asauchi's, yes. That's why Oetsu is using White right now in this chapter to forge a proper zanpaktou specifically for Ichigo. The fuck that has anything to do with full-bring?

[Uzor]

Nothing, hats not what I said. What I said was that he White is what Ichigo used as the core of his own version of a Asauchi to give his sword a personality. Fullbring and Quincy is what gave him his power, abilities and what manifested as his sword. And since an Asauchi (or White, in Ichigo's case) take on a personality and power of its owner's soul, Zangetsu (or his White, so to speak) took the shape of Bach, as he is a Quincy, while his fullbring powers gives him the sword. Or that's my theory, at least.

[Abandon]

you literally answered the question with "no", then used the very thing you said no to, in your response

[Abandon]

that qualifies as dumb

[Serif]

Nothing, hats not what I said. What I said was that he White is what Ichigo used as the core of his own version of a Asauchi to give his sword a personality. Fullbring and Quincy is what gave him his power, abilities and what manifested as his sword. And since an Asauchi (or White, in Ichigo's case) take on a personality and power of its owner's soul, Zangetsu (or his White, so to speak) took the shape of Bach, as he is a Quincy, while his fullbring powers gives him the sword. Or that's my theory, at least.

So Isshin wasn't a Shinigami? Why are people leaving that out? I am confused. All this talk about Quincy/Fullbring bringing back his power but no mention of Shinigami.

Wtf some shit got edited real quick..

[Abandon]

retconning like a mofo goin on in this thread, lmao

[Peacemillian]

So Ichigo is a Shinigami/Quincy, with a Hollow that's also his sword, got it.

[BadKarma]

KUBO TROLLING EVERYONE. First fucking issues man hes bringing it back

[kuronosan]

I don't know, I don't get the "fooling" part. I think it's a strange translation, and the actual translation is closer to disguised - not that Zangetsu was trying to deceive him.

Or maybe his sword is actually Zangetsu and this spirit is an imposter representing his Quincy abilities. You're still wrong.

[Uzor]

you literally answered the question with "no", then used the very thing you said no to, in your response

Good god, there's no hope for you. First of, I don't know which post you're referring to. Secondly, I don't know what this imaginary "no" is that I supposedly argue against in said post. Seriously, you are by far the most thick-headed person I've ever seen on BG, and I'm not going to bother answering to your trolling attempts in the future.

So Isshin wasn't a Shinigami? Why are people leaving that out? I am confused. All this talk about Quincy/Fullbring bringing back his power but no mention of Shinigami.

Wtf some shit got edited real quick..

He was, which is probably why Ichigo had the abilities he does. When he had Ichigo, he was practically human though, so Iunno. Can go either way.

Or maybe his sword is actually Zangetsu and this spirit is an imposter representing his Quincy abilities. You're still wrong.

Still not sure where I'm wrong, the latest chapters have only supported most of what I've said... Which, in almost every post where you claim to be contradicting me, you've agreed with what I've said while still claiming I'm wrong.

I suppose we'll just have to wait for the next chapter so I can be right again.

[Xno Kappa]

Nothing, hats not what I said. What I said was that he White is what Ichigo used as the core of his own version of a Asauchi to give his sword a personality. Fullbring and Quincy is what gave him his power, abilities and what manifested as his sword. And since an Asauchi (or White, in Ichigo's case) take on a personality and power of its owner's soul, Zangetsu (or his White, so to speak) took the shape of Bach, as he is a Quincy, while his fullbring powers gives him the sword. Or that's my theory, at least.

Where are you getting any of this full-bring idea from? This chapter, or any chapter in the entire manga, has never insinuated even the slightest idea that it was Ichigo's full-bring that supplied his sword. Full-bring is not only completely irrelevant at this point for Ichigo, he doesn't even freaking have one anymore lol.

You keep rubbing people the wrong way because you either use filler arcs, movies, or flat-out make shit up to back up whatever you post and claim it as gospel. Then you backpedal when your stink is called out like "NOPE!!!"

[Sho]

This is my theory:

Ichigo obviously had both White & Juha's "essence" within him. People seem to forget however that he has a human willpower and is the son of a Shinigami as well. So he has all four sides of the argument within him. His Quincy power manifesting itself as a zanpakuto is a stretch but it can make sense once you realize he's the son of a Shinigami in the first place. From there, what's being going on in Ichigo's inner world has been the vying of power between Juha's Quincy essence and White. White is the zanpakuto's true essence, but Juha Bach inserted himself into all Quincy born, so his essence "hi-jacked" Zangetsu/White (and Ichigo's soul/inner world), so to speak. It coincides with what was stated about Juha Bach chapters ago-- his power resides within all Quincy. The thing that makes Ichigo different is that he is also a Shinigami, which is why Juha Bach has interest in him in the first place. White probably manifested itself in an extreme to over take Juha Bach's control so he could regain Ichigo's inner world. That resulted in Ichigo becoming a full Hollow (and Visored) over the course of time.

Ichigo finding White in the group of Asauchi after learning about his mother's past is just him coming full circle and finally accepting his Hollow, which is his true sword, ironically.

I also think a long the same lines as Uzor, but not so far in as he does. Ichigo is a Fullbringer by definition (Kubo's definition), even if he didn't know how to manifest the powers up until that arc came around. Of course, it was just ironic that he manifested his powers as he lost his Shinigami power after the fight with Aizen. I wouldn't be surprised if Kubo tied it in, simply because of the Quincy x Hollow + Shinigami x Human shit he pulled off in the recent gaiden.

[Xno Kappa]

Ichigo gained his shinigami-like powers long before he ever even touched the substitute shinigami badge. Not only that, but his shinigami-like powers were returned once more after his full-bring abilities were stolen. Are people just looking for something to attach this full-bring nonsense too? lol

[Souj]

Ya'll be crazy. I'm going to ignore all you peoples past arguments and quote something from the last page.

I'm just having trouble figuring out what this implies based on his original fight against Aizen. Ichigo was supposed to be a trancedent being at that point, being perfectly merged with his Shinagama and Hollow sides. But now we see he never really had a real Zanpactu, so was he ever really a true Shinagama?

Does that mean his "trancendent" form, was a Hybrid Quincy/Hollow, and not a Hybrid Shinagama/Hollow?

Or was his trancendent form just a Shinagama/Hollow perfect mix like we were told, it's just that his Shinagama side was artificial?

It means that Aizen didn't have a clue what he was really dealing with and started panicking and pulling shit out of his ass once Ichigo shoved his hand in his face and threw him across the map.


also; lol shinagama could roughly translate into "flirting toad".

[Sho]

Ichigo gained his shinigami-like powers long before he ever even touched the substitute shinigami badge. Not only that, but his shinigami-like powers were returned once more after his full-bring abilities were stolen. Are people just looking for something to attach this full-bring nonsense too? lol

Nah bro, I'm just stating based on the definition Kubo gave of Fullbringers initially. Fullbringers are all born with the power at birth, it's a latent ability that's passed down by any human mother who has encountered a hollow. It fits Ichigo perfectly, even if his mother is a Quincy (Quincy are human's too). Where I differ from Uzor is the fact that he wants to believe Fullbringer power is the lynchpin holding his Shinigami, Quincy and Hollow power together into one being. I think more along the lines that it's four equal parts that reside in him.

He was born a Quincy.
He was born a Shinigami.
He was born with Hollow/White residing in him.
and by extension of his mother, he was born a Fullbringer too.

He just manifested the powers in different ways throughout the story, it was never given to him at any point, as they were all latent powers.

It brings Kubo's crazy, convulsed story together for me, at least.

[Uzor]

Where are you getting any of this full-bring idea from? This chapter, or any chapter in the entire manga, has never insinuated even the slightest idea that it was Ichigo's full-bring that supplied his sword. Full-bring is not only completely irrelevant at this point for Ichigo, he doesn't even freaking have one anymore lol.

You keep rubbing people the wrong way because you either use filler arcs, movies, or flat-out make shit up to back up whatever you post and claim it as gospel. Then you backpedal when your stink is called out like "NOPE!!!"

The only filler stuff I brought in was in my half-joke-half-theory (which I even wrote in my post) about Ichigo's new Bankai being all Bankais.

As for fullbring, he was still a fullbring back then. He could have easily had another object that before the substitute badge. Either way, I'm sure Kubo will explain it. It's possible fullbring has nothing to do with it, but it makes sense that a physical object would be made using his fullbring powers. Then again, as a spirit it's possible he used the particles around him with his Quincy powers to create a physical manifestation of a sword.

Reason I included Fullbring is because the other substitute Shinigami. How did he get a sword, did they give him an Asauchi? I suppose it's possible he never had a zanpakuto in the first place, though. We don't know at much about him.

The way I see it, the initial stab acted as a catalyst that awoke his hidden powers. It was stated sometime if I remember correctly that it is very rare for it to actually work in a human, but we know of two situations when it worked - in him and the substitute, and both of them are Fullbrings. An Asauchi is apparently similar to a White, so it might be at it worked in both of them because they both had part of Hollow "taint" so to speak. In Ichigo's case, it was much stronger than just a taint, as he had a full Wihte inside of him, which acted as an Asauchi for him, with the Fullbring in him is what helped him materialize e sword. But, like I said, it's also possible the Quincy powers materialized the sword now that I ink about it, as Quincy's use the particles around them.