All Worlds Maintenance (Jan 16th)

[divisortheory]

you know...
I think SE ninja edited a few other things. If this shit w/ the selbina quest was the only change, how come I needed to download a couple files ?

The dialogues may have changed a little to reflect the new quest requirements, but other than that I can't think of anything.

Then again maybe they just made AV killable again.

[Guyverarmor]

you know...
I think SE ninja edited a few other things. If this shit w/ the selbina quest was the only change, how come I needed to download a couple files ?

fame relation: server side
quest time lock: server side

no?

Imma have to agree with nynja on this one. If im correct, fame and quest time is kept on server side.. atleast as far as I know.. They did something else besides dat.57 Imma be testing some things today and see If I notice anything

[Gere]

All square did was buy time to figure out a better way to detect/break pos hack now that it has become a major threat rather than a minor annoyance

At least I hope.

[Khamsin]

The fuck? One Full day irl? It was time consuming doing the quest legitly but having to do one each day is retarded.

Or GS can just continue to warp hack and repeat the quest ad infinitum on different chars and inflate the economy.

I wonder how much Boyahada Moss will go up now...

The gil farmers will just warp hack to Selbina, do the sheep quest to get quick fame, POS hack to get the Batallia Downs monument, wait until JP midnight, POS hack to get the one in Sauromugue Champaign, delete the character and start over.

All square did was increase the number of content IDs active at any given point in the day needed to make this profitable. Legitimate players, of course, are going to be the ones hurt by this.

Gilsellers are hurt by it, too. If they need to purchase more accounts, then it costs them money. If they use existing accounts to make a mule and use it over and over, that's time not spent farming elsewhere. If they need to spend time farming boyahda moss, or buy it, it cuts into their gil profits. The time spent by their employees to delete and recreate more characters, and wait until near JP midnight so they can do two monuments are inefficient uses of their time.

All those costs, opportunity costs, and inefficiencies in their employee's utilization rate hurt their business. It may still be profitable, but it now is less profitable than it was.

Believe it or not, even a small change in the utilization (time spent vs time charged/profit-making time) can drastically alter the bottom line. If the gilsellers operate at a mere 5% less efficiency, their gross revenue may see a slight drop but their net profits take way more than a 5% dive since they have overhead costs that come off the top of their revenue. It all depends on how wide the profit margin is, I guess. For some businesses, its alarmingly narrow.

[Septimus]

you know...
I think SE ninja edited a few other things. If this shit w/ the selbina quest was the only change, how come I needed to download a couple files ?

fame relation: server side
quest time lock: server side

no?

Imma have to agree with nynja on this one. If im correct, fame and quest time is kept on server side.. atleast as far as I know.. They did something else besides dat.57 Imma be testing some things today and see If I notice anything

Abelard: "I don't have any work for you right now. Come back later."

Pretty much what divisortheory said.

[Tordall]

By increasing the wait before doing the next part of the clay tablet quest gives SE more time to catch and remove the characters that are poshacking to complete it.

Think about it, if RMTs are able to create -> do 2 quests -> send gil to bank -> delete character in about 20 minutes, GMs wouldn't even be able to respond to the GM call about the person poshacking, much less verify that they are and ban them before the RMT sent the gil and deleted the character anyway.

[NynJa]

well I just updated on my laptop where I dont lag, and it was just file.txt and 57.dat.

Theres just one problem:
Selbina is a 53.dat


FFXI/ROM/21/57.dat was the one that was altered, dunno what its for

[aurik]

What zone is 57.dat?

Edit: I think that may be the icon pack. Maybe they fixed the red-dot disconnection icon?

[NynJa]

no, ppl have said thats still bugged rofl.

[Lordwafik]

What zone is 57.dat?

Edit: I think that may be the icon pack. Maybe they fixed the red-dot disconnection icon?

Going by the npc dialogue, the same path as nynja's selbina shows that 57 is norg.

[Nystul]

I'm lost....what were they doing? The CN map quest for gil?

I R DUM

[Karinastar]

I'm lost....what were they doing? The CN map quest for gil?

I R DUM

They were creating accounts, POSing the CN map quest for gil, then deleting the character, making another and repeating the process.

[Senoska]

With enough charaters thats 1-6mil per hour just posing around thats why things have started to inflate again ><

[Nystul]

Oh. Wow. How much fun can that possibly be.

I was convinced that the maint was because SE caught on to my theory that you could kill AV by shouting your doctor password while touching an ebon panel and trading AV a nidhogg scale while equipping sea weapons and panic dancing with tarus.

[Cautery]

OK!

Ragnarok~

Fafnir yesterday: Ridill

Fafnir 10 mins ago: Ridill

Discuss.

[Nystul]

maintainance gives faf the time he needs to go to the store and buy more ridills.


Duh.

[Suiram]

57.dat is the NPC list for Selbina in its respective folder

Edit: Also they should have just left the exploit in and banned anyone with the creditcard/billing address/IP who exploited it.

Edit2: Weird coincidence but that actually isn't the one that was modified. It was 21/57.dat as nynja wrote, not 27/57.dat where the NPC list is. Norg dialog is 18/57.dat though so isn't that either.

[aurik]

AS an aside, most servers are sold out or under-stocked on IGE right now. I wonder if IGE's indiscriminant purchase of gil from the CGF caught up to them.

Detect the CGF using POS en-masse to farm gil. Watch who they deliver that gil to -- the CGF's bank. Watch who that person delivers that gil to -- IGE's bank. Watch as IGE's bank makes deliveries of suspiciously round quantities of gil (ie, 500k, 800k, 1500k, 2000k...) to a fairly diverse group of mostly unrelated people.

Through no fault of its own, IGEs banks are vulnerable because they purchase gil off of toons that are cheating on a massive scale.

[Coldplay4tw]

YAY FOR NID ON SUNDAY NO ONE COULD KILL YAY FOR ANOTHER NID ON TUESDAY NO ONE COULD KILL!

[kamalii]

The don't deliver the gil to anyone, thats why this plan was so genius - the "bank" sat in selbina with wooden arrows in his bazaar for 20,100. The new char's start with 100, pos hack to selbina, get clay quest, pos to batallia for 10k, pos back, pos to Sauromogue for 10k, pos back, buy 1 arrow for their entire gil amount, delete char, start over. Since the "bank" is technically clean of wrongdoing, they can argue with SE about banning them, because technically, they just sat there with overpriced arrows in their bazaar.