Hauteclaire and Aegis?

[aurik]

op fails.

hauteclaire vs macandcheese sword is a good debate. He makes a good point that it's only -7% physical.

but yea, aegis > koenig. If you're a career pld with the resources to get one and you pass it up, what the hell are you thinking?

[esodragons]

um no, defending ring and that sword and aegis? i didnt say blackice was wrong about the haut, i am saying blackice is wrong for calling the sword worthless, when in fact it is good depending on your gear set up as with all armor and weapons do depeding on your set up.

edit please read the tread before you try to correct me, i didnt say haut is the best sword i am saying its not worthless as blackice said.

[Eaglestrike]

his linkshell funds the last 2 stage of the relic 4 and 5, i am baffled that he decided to decline the upgrade based on that said informations. its not about the money when your ls funds the major portion of it. people would kill for an aegis. the fact that he declined it based on koeing shield is better is retarded. i dont care for his option but declining an aegis based on believeing koeing shield is better and not on money or the difficulty of obtaining it is retarded.

So by doing the unselfish thing he needs a topic made about him attacking him? LS's don't normally sit around on unlimited amounts of currency, that currency can now be used on someone elses relic, which may end up helping the LS more.

And holy shit I wish my LS did those stages for me, they've been taking me over a year to do lol

As for the actual usefulness, +enmity and Haste are only things a pld/nin really needs, other things are bonus. Sure you'll get hit occasionally anyway, but Sentinel and Rampart can cover that pretty well, co-tanks are there for most situations. And as a pld taking a hit or two isn't bad, it can even be helpful so you have something to use mp on.

[Allundaria]

Off-topic: Anyone remember the Ice Planet set from Lego?

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2504/legosawkt3.jpg

They had neon orange Macuahuitls as ice saws. Only pic I could find, and I had to jack it from an ebay listing.

On-topic: If the LS uses primarily PLD/NIN and the currency fund was mobile, it could be diverted to a Gjallahorn. That might say benefit the LS more so overall than if one PLD fielded an Aegis. Situational, like everything else in this game. Hauteclaire + Aegis would be lovely for face tanking things in Dynamis

[Mysterio]

Jiang won this thread back on the first page with:

because macauhuitl looks fucking stupid

[esodragons]

ok eaglestrike maybe this was too complicated for you, let me break it down into a bit more and remove the name factors and remove this i am bashing blackice shit.

X person declines to upgrade a relic shield based on the fact that X believes that Koeing shield is superior to an Aegis. not because to allow another person to upgrade or because it would be hard to obtain. can the peopel of this commuinty show me how koeing shield is better than an aegis. i have removed any names to avoid you emotionally sensitive loners to avoid any ideas that a hate tread is made.

[Alastaire]

ok eaglestrike maybe this was too complicated for you, let me break it down into a bit more and remove the name factors and remove this i am bashing blackice shit.

X person declines to upgrade a relic shield based on the fact that X believes that Koeing shield is superior to an Aegis. not because to allow another person to upgrade or because it would be hard to obtain. can the peopel of this commuinty show me how koeing shield is better than an aegis. i have removed any names to avoid you emotionally sensitive loners to avoid any ideas that a hate tread is made.

You're completely missing the point. "X person" isn't saying that Koenig Shield is better than Aegis, he's saying that Aegis isn't far enough ahead of the next best thing for him to feel the desire to upgrade it, at the cost of potentially gimping his other available jobs. Maybe you should pay some damn attention instead of attacking people for having opinions.

This thread seriously fails, GTFO.

[Sonomaa]

Off-topic: Anyone remember the Ice Planet set from Lego?

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/2504/legosawkt3.jpg

They had neon orange Macuahuitls as ice saws. Only pic I could find, and I had to jack it from an ebay listing.

On-topic: If the LS uses primarily PLD/NIN and the currency fund was mobile, it could be diverted to a Gjallahorn. That might say benefit the LS more so overall than if one PLD fielded an Aegis. Situational, like everything else in this game. Hauteclaire + Aegis would be lovely for face tanking things in Dynamis

I loved that set ; ;

[aurik]

um no, defending ring and that sword and aegis? i didnt say blackice was wrong about the haut, i am saying blackice is wrong for calling the sword worthless, when in fact it is good depending on your gear set up as with all armor and weapons do depeding on your set up.

edit please read the tread before you try to correct me, i didnt say haut is the best sword i am saying its not worthless as blackice said.

Paladin is there to hold hate, not minimize damage. Nobody care if the pld/nin takes 7% less damage when he's already self-reliant for cures and holding a ton of hate.

[Eaglestrike]

ok eaglestrike maybe this was too complicated for you, let me break it down into a bit more and remove the name factors and remove this i am bashing blackice shit.

X person declines to upgrade a relic shield based on the fact that X believes that Koeing shield is superior to an Aegis. not because to allow another person to upgrade or because it would be hard to obtain. can the peopel of this commuinty show me how koeing shield is better than an aegis. i have removed any names to avoid you emotionally sensitive loners to avoid any ideas that a hate tread is made.

Depending on how often and what is being tanked, a koenig (Kaiser since if you can fund Aegis, you can get a kaiser) koenig could actually be best simply because of the enmity. Now if the mob you're fighting is largely magic based (JoL, Citadel Buster, Wyrms) Aegis obviously owns on those, but on things you can tank as pld/nin safely, I can see where -25% magic damage is meaningless or unimportant (Cerb as long as you stun GoH has...1 or 2 magic dmg tp moves but prefers SS)

The point of pld/nin is to not have to use shield, Sentinel if you get unlucky and both Utsu's are down covers that and you have that for 30s every 4:10 when merited covers most situations. And if you're not getting hit, this negates the awesome block rate and damage reduction, and leaves you at a loss of enmity.

What I'd like to see from Aegis wielders of new subjob usage. NIN has switched to /drk and /brd and does wonderful things, I want to see an aegis pld do that. Awesome block rate and damage reduction, and amazing hate holding.

[Ayn]

Light damage, yo.

[esodragons]

Alastaire, you should probabbly should gtfo pay attention, how can it be gimping out other jobs when your ls funds the relic. pay some more attention before you come back at me. in the future i'll be raping your spouse so you better be attention to that person carfully too before you go about with your own business

yes looks like this thread fails cut me now i am so emo, cut my tread now so i can feel alive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blk35pDBhLI

[Beckwin]

Eh, Aegis looks even hotter for pld/nin after the update. You have really good odds of not getting interrupted with a block rate like aegis.

[Zilong]

ok eaglestrike maybe this was too complicated for you, let me break it down into a bit more and remove the name factors and remove this i am bashing blackice shit.

X person declines to upgrade a relic shield based on the fact that X believes that Koeing shield is superior to an Aegis. not because to allow another person to upgrade or because it would be hard to obtain. can the peopel of this commuinty show me how koeing shield is better than an aegis. i have removed any names to avoid you emotionally sensitive loners to avoid any ideas that a hate tread is made.

Depending on how often and what is being tanked, a koenig (Kaiser since if you can fund Aegis, you can get a kaiser) koenig could actually be best simply because of the enmity. Now if the mob you're fighting is largely magic based (JoL, Citadel Buster, Wyrms) Aegis obviously owns on those, but on things you can tank as pld/nin safely, I can see where -25% magic damage is meaningless or unimportant (Cerb as long as you stun GoH has...1 or 2 magic dmg tp moves but prefers SS)

The point of pld/nin is to not have to use shield, Sentinel if you get unlucky and both Utsu's are down covers that and you have that for 30s every 4:10 when merited covers most situations. And if you're not getting hit, this negates the awesome block rate and damage reduction, and leaves you at a loss of enmity.

What I'd like to see from Aegis wielders of new subjob usage. NIN has switched to /drk and /brd and does wonderful things, I want to see an aegis pld do that. Awesome block rate and damage reduction, and amazing hate holding.

In before captain safety valve the difference maker.

[esodragons]

yes eaglestrike you win you are on the right path. also with the update, aegis and /nin means you block at top of the line and can finish utsu if you block when getting hit. as for holding hate /brd is awsome as most people have tried it for certain jailers and stuff. mazurka on all six memebers lets your blms freely rape.

[Allundaria]

[Alastaire], in the future i'll be raping your spouse so you better be attention to that person carfully too before you go about with your own business

Woohoo.

If my LS funded a Gjallarhorn I'd be damn obligated to be there as BRD every time. So effectively it would "gimp" your other jobs by essentially negating any chance you had of coming to events as something else.

[Krandor]

Just stfu you nab.

I'm PLD main and have been so for ages, and I think Hauteclaire is worthless. The only thing it's good for is town gear. If it was all damage or magical damage it would be good, but god created Utsusemi for a reason you know.

Your argument about Blackice claiming that Koenig Shield is better then Aegis has already been pretty shot down since you just tried to twist his comments to get people on your side.

[Alastaire]

Alastaire, you should probabbly should gtfo pay attention, how can it be gimping out other jobs when your ls funds the relic. pay some more attention before you come back at me. in the future i'll be raping your spouse so you better be attention to that person carfully too before you go about with your own business

yes looks like this thread fails cut me now i am so emo, cut my tread now so i can feel alive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Blk35pDBhLI

Not really sure what to say to that except well...lol.

[RKenshin]

Wow, first of all... If you're going to come here and openly bash someone on a public forum without keeping their name anonymous, the very least thing you could do is not post here cowardly under an anon name. Sorry to be insulting but really, if you're going to bash someone on a public forum at least make your identity known.

Otherwise, no one will really care what you have to say... As kind of shown by the previous posts in thread.

his linkshell funds the last 2 stage of the relic 4 and 5, i am baffled that he decided to decline the upgrade based on that said informations. its not about the money when your ls funds the major portion of it. people would kill for an aegis. the fact that he declined it based on koeing shield is better is retarded. i dont care for his option but declining an aegis based on believeing koeing shield is better and not on money or the difficulty of obtaining it is retarded.

Now, you need to get your information right.

Blackice never refused to upgrade a relic, and he never had all of the money needed to buy it... He was torn between two options:

1: Spend every bit of his money and sell some of his best gear available for his jobs and not have the money to properly equip his NIN (in addition to being broke), in exchange for having the money needed to pay for the first two ugprades (~40-60m worth at the time).

2: Keep all of his gear, and in addition to buying better gear for his main jobs also have the money to equip his NIN well, and with enough left over to keep him financially stable.

He came to a choice, and he decided that Aegis wasn't worth gimping himself for when he could get an alternative like Koenig/Kaiser shield for much less money, and not be broke.

That, is the story. He didn't refuse a relic at all, and still even now he would get an Aegis in a second if he could, it's always been that way and it never changed. However, the only thing is he's not willing to gimp himself horribly for it, and even though he's considered it (and still does now sometimes) he decided against it.

If you're going to try to insult someone about their decisions then the least you can do is get your information right.

As far as the sword argument goes, I think this thread proved that it comes down to a matter of preference. Which, basically means the sword isn't as 'omg amazing' as people may think, especially considering most PLDs tank while /NIN now.

[esodragons]

if i had a best friend to log in and lot ridil over other people i would back him up too.