Hauteclaire and Aegis?

[Tyche]

I dunno, i guess im just clueless as to why that dude said that Aegis is just "slightly" better than koenig. That's a huge over-statement. You don't hafta whore + skill to get cap, and you get level 4 damage reduction...that being on top of -25% magic damage reduction, which is extremely significant.

[Dion]

i have a knight earring

[esodragons]

i am actually kind of happy inside knowing melina logged onto zirk to lot soceror's coat over sylpet. btl has so many drama behind the curtain i couldnt possibly finish unless i turn it into a novel. as for burning me? lol i could give a rats shit about it. and shows how retarded most of the peopel on bg are since everyone loves to get off the topic. i hope you retarded people dont reproduce and cause our nation to be walking about with gwb wannabes. grats on xavier for aegis you rock i want to have your sperms so i can make you babies, as for the rest you can all have a lovely day with your hairy palms.

[Artus]

Having fun yet Artus?

yeah lots you tard, this is good reading. Have the admins check the IP cause this has been my account for a long time and the IPs wont match.

Look at this... btl accussing someone of something they didn't do. You guys are getting great at this.

[RKenshin]

Good for you.

But guess what? You're still anon, so you know what that means? Everything you say means shit.

And guess what, no linkshell on any server that's lasted for longer than a year can say they haven't had drama. In fact, BtL has been around for slightly more than 3 years now, and is still a successful linkshell that has achieved all there is to do in this game. How many linkshells can say that? How many linkshells have lasted this long without a reform? How many linkshells have lasted this long, and only lost ~10 NA members total over all that time that willingly wanted to leave the LS ?

How about you come out from hiding, and show us how fantastic your amazing linkshell is. Best part is, BtL never starts shit with any other linkshells in this server and stuff like that is always discouraged, yet losers like you either have this huge jealously or some sort of need to flame us for no reason.

Hell you can't even realize that all linkshells have drama? And yet people on BG are the retarded ones?

Ok, sure. The only person who has proven themself to be an insecure loser that most likely lives in their mom's basement, is you. Anyone with half a brain would agree, which is just even more proof to your obvious lack of one.


EDDIIT: Any chance at an IP check please?^^;

Another change, BtL is over 3 years old* lol

[Artus]

The best part about this all is I've never ONCE posted as an alt or on anon on ANYTHING. I've always posted on Artus or rtree(alla with Artus listed in my profile) But for some reason you think that I would need to post on an alt on this site to make fun of how stupid you are?

QQ Blackice

[Krandor]

i am actually kind of happy inside knowing melina logged onto zirk to lot soceror's coat over sylpet. btl has so many drama behind the curtain i couldnt possibly finish unless i turn it into a novel. as for burning me? lol i could give a rats shit about it. and shows how retarded most of the peopel on bg are since everyone loves to get off the topic. i hope you retarded people dont reproduce and cause our nation to be walking about with gwb wannabes. grats on xavier for aegis you rock i want to have your sperms so i can make you babies, as for the rest you can all have a lovely day with your hairy palms.

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[RKenshin]

I love you, Krandor.

[Faranim]

I'm not normally one to do something like this, but I couldn't resist:

Dear: esodragons

[ ] Clueless Newbie
[ ] Lamer
[ ] Flamer
[ ] Pervert
[ ] Geek
[ ] Canadian
[ ] Spammer
[ ] Racist
[ ] Jackass
[X ] Troller
[ ] Fundamentalist
[ ] Satanist
[X ] "Expert"
[ ] Wannabe
[ ] Dumbass
[ ] Waste of Sperm
[ ] Other:

You Are Being Flamed Because:

[X ] Abusing a derogatory term.
[ ] You imported another debate into this post
[X ] You obviously don't know anything about the topic at hand
[ ] You posted a 'Top 10' post.
[ ] You posted a 'Religion' post
[X ] You started a long, stupid thread
[X ] You continued spreading a long, stupid thread
[ ] Your post is absurdly off topic for where you posted it
[X ] Your lack of understanding of the fundamentals is disgusting
[ ] You posted a 'Lord of the Rings' post
[ ] You posted a "YOU ALL SUCK" message
[X ] You posted low-IQ flamebait
[ ] You posted a blatantly obvious troll
[ ] You followed up to a blatantly obvious troll
[ ] You said "X rules, Y sucks" and gave no support for your lame statement
[X ] You make no sense
[X ] You made a post yet failed to say anything
[ ] Your sig/alias/avatar is dreadful
[ ] Your post contained nothing but psycho-babble.
[ ] You are claiming that you know more than Newton, Ohm, Pavlov, etc.
[X ] Your awful markup made the post unreadable
[ ] You made a baseless assertion
[ ] You posted SCREAMING in RANDOM CAPS (OR IN ALL CAPS) for NO REASON
[ ] YoU tYpEd SoMeThInG lAmE lIkE tHiS
[ ] You say you're 'L33t liek Jeffk.', Or your spelling is so bad that no one can read it.
[X ] You didn't do anything specific, but appear to be so generally worthless that you are being flamed anyway
[X ] You started a lame thread with a very old and worthless idea thinking it was something new and cool.

To Repent, You Must:

[X ] Refrain from posting until you have a vague idea what you're doing
[ ] Stop masturbating for a week
[ ] Read every group you posted to for a week
[ ] Give up your AOL account
[ ] Bust up your modem with a hammer and eat it
[ ] Tell your Mommy to up your medication
[ ] Jump into a bathtub while holding your monitor (monitor must be plugged in)
[ ] Actually post something relevant
[ ] Read and memorize the FAQ
[ ] Print your home phone number in your ads
[ ] Be the guest of honor in alt.flame for a month

In Closing, I'd Like to Say:

[ ] Blow me
[X ] Get a clue
[ ] Get a life
[ ] **** a goat
[X ] Go away
[X ] Grow up
[X ] Never post again
[ ] I pity your dog
[X ] You need to seek psychiatric help
[ ] Morons like you give ammo to pro-censorship morons
[ ] Yer momma's so fat/stupid/ugly that etc...
[X ] Take your gibberish somewhere else
[ ] Go back to school and actually learn something
[ ] Learn how to post or get off the site
[ ] Send your sister to my bedroom at 10:30 PM
[ ] All of the above

[Scragg]

I'm not taking sides here, just an honest question. Is there a "ceiling" on the amount of +enmity from gear you can effectively wear? (and how can you tell one way or the other?)

[Faranim]

I'm not taking sides here, just an honest question. Is there a "ceiling" on the amount of +enmity from gear you can effectively wear? (and how can you tell one way or the other?)

I'm not a tank, but I believe there is a "hate cap" of some sort where additional actions don't actually generate extra hate. As long as you do enough stuff, you can put yourself at the top of the hate list with "max" hate. The only way to "lose" hate is if you take damage, get Hate reset (Horrid Roar), or stop doing stuff to maintain your current hate level.

So +Enmity will help you gain hate faster, but once you reach the cap it's not really all that useful.

Again, I'm not a tank so this might be completely wrong.

[Damen]

Having fun yet Artus?

yeah lots you tard, this is good reading. Have the admins check the IP cause this has been my account for a long time and the IPs wont match.

Sounds like a planned excuse. It's not hard to find a public computer anyways. Besides the point you both have a pretty bad attitude

I'm not taking sides here, just an honest question. Is there a "ceiling" on the amount of +enmity from gear you can effectively wear? (and how can you tell one way or the other?)

and enmity cap? it's hard to say, but you have enough when you stop losing hate.

[Krandor]

I'm not taking sides here, just an honest question. Is there a "ceiling" on the amount of +enmity from gear you can effectively wear? (and how can you tell one way or the other?)

I'm not a tank, but I believe there is a "hate cap" of some sort where additional actions don't actually generate extra hate. As long as you do enough stuff, you can put yourself at the top of the hate list with "max" hate. The only way to "lose" hate is if you take damage, get Hate reset (Horrid Roar), or stop doing stuff to maintain your current hate level.

So +Enmity will help you gain hate faster, but once you reach the cap it's not really all that useful.

Again, I'm not a tank so this might be completely wrong.

I've done some testing of sorts with Wafik comparing RDM/NIN vs. PLD/NIN tanking hate, and while I don't know if there is literally a cap on hate, you can definitely take it high enough to the point where hate is more or less capped for whatever you're trying to do.

I think in most HNM situations the only way you can reach an effective hate "cap" is thru Mazurka spamming

[Dion]

with the utsusemi patch, you lose a small small amount of hate when a shadow is taken, so i dont think you're ever really @ cap if there is one.

idk if what im saying makes sense to anyone.

[Artus]

Having fun yet Artus?

yeah lots you tard, this is good reading. Have the admins check the IP cause this has been my account for a long time and the IPs wont match.

Sounds like a planned excuse. It's not hard to find a public computer anyways. Besides the point you both have a pretty bad attitude

Theres good reason for the bad attitude put towards blackice. But still no reason to hide behind an alt. I have nothing to hide.

[Falaras]

with the utsusemi patch, you lose a small small amount of hate when a shadow is taken, so i dont think you're ever really @ cap if there is one.

idk if what im saying makes sense to anyone.

You only loose what small hate you gain from Utsusemi not any extra.

[Lhexh]

We've found RDM/NIN and Mazurka tanks get to this "cap" both pretty easily on most HNM. Takes about 3 Mazurkas in medium enmity gear to get there and a little while longer for the RDM/NIN, especially if they can't use sleep spell in their hate cycle. Our best RDM/NIN Citlin uses around +35ish enmity and completely outclasses anyone for hate on Tiamat since once all tanks hit the cap he is just doing so many more actions per minute that can generate hate Tiamat just turns back to him instantly after mazurka/flash take it off him.

Haven't had a chance to let Ruk try NIN/DRK properly in that setup so not really sure how far behind he would be, but a good PLD/NIN seems to catch up around 10 minutes later, whereas the less experienced ones have taken as much as 20 to 30 minutes before they were part of the image bouncing rotation properly.

[Priran]

with the utsusemi patch, you lose a small small amount of hate when a shadow is taken, so i dont think you're ever really @ cap if there is one.

idk if what im saying makes sense to anyone.

You only loose what small hate you gain from Utsusemi not any extra.

Huh?

Casting Utsusemi still gives hate.

[Falaras]

with the utsusemi patch, you lose a small small amount of hate when a shadow is taken, so i dont think you're ever really @ cap if there is one.

idk if what im saying makes sense to anyone.

You only loose what small hate you gain from Utsusemi not any extra.

Huh?

Casting Utsusemi still gives hate.

Pretty sure yes, just from experiences I've never like researched it.
Besides doesn't any action give hate, Food, pet actions, ect everything seems to give some hate
pew pew pew

[Xavier]

I'm not taking sides here, just an honest question. Is there a "ceiling" on the amount of +enmity from gear you can effectively wear? (and how can you tell one way or the other?)

I'm not a tank, but I believe there is a "hate cap" of some sort where additional actions don't actually generate extra hate. As long as you do enough stuff, you can put yourself at the top of the hate list with "max" hate. The only way to "lose" hate is if you take damage, get Hate reset (Horrid Roar), or stop doing stuff to maintain your current hate level.

So +Enmity will help you gain hate faster, but once you reach the cap it's not really all that useful.

Again, I'm not a tank so this might be completely wrong.

I've done some testing of sorts with Wafik comparing RDM/NIN vs. PLD/NIN tanking hate, and while I don't know if there is literally a cap on hate, you can definitely take it high enough to the point where hate is more or less capped for whatever you're trying to do.

I think in most HNM situations the only way you can reach an effective hate "cap" is thru Mazurka spamming

I don't know if theres a "cap" persay, but theres certainely an obvious point of diminishing return for +enmity gear. Anything over +35 really and I stop seeing a difference compared to the hate I'm holding over other tanks.

Which, in turn, leads you to look for other ways to maintain your hate instead of just stacking the enmity. Magic and physical dmg reduction seems like the logical step, and as long as you don't sacrifice too much enmity on pld/nin, you'll end up with more hate control in the long run.

I've started fighting mobs in full enmity gear, and after the first 5-10 minutes slowly changed out into MDB gear to pre-empt most wses.

Hauteclaire is only going to see any use on pld/not nin though.