RDM Group 1 merits

[Metah]

Blind II with three merits can be overwritten from a NIN that has capped Ninjutsu merits and/or gear.

Fail.

Oh well just lol then

[Damen]

Blind II with three merits can be overwritten from a NIN that has capped Ninjutsu merits and/or gear.

Fail.

I'd like to see what data you got this from. I remember seeing hojo:Ni data that said that ninjutsu gear had no effect on the potency of the slow. That being said, I assumed that skill would have no effect on kurayami as well.

Basically I thought that skill did nothing except determine resist rates for NIN, but if it indeed 'moves up' a tier (even if potency remains the same) then that is kinda strange.

That being said I've never seen blind II(level1) overwrite kurayami and i've never seen Kurayami overwrite blind II. Maybe there is some factor into it such as level of mob vs potency of blind II.

[Celebrindor]

another question-

I've heard/read that Bio 3/Dia 3 work differently than previous dia/bio debates. Through level two they overwrite in this manner:

dia << bio << dia 2 << bio 2.


Meaning dia 2 will overwrite bio 1, but bio 2 overwrites dia 2.

Now I've read that dia3/bio3 will BOTH overwrite eachother, which could be of a nice benefit at certain HNM/gods situations.

RDM 1 has 3 levels of Bio3, and uses it as DoT on Kirin to help negate regen.

RDM 2 has one level of Dia3, and casts it before weaponskills to increase damage dealt, and will overwrite the Bio3.

RDM 1 then recasts Bio3 after the skillchain to slap the increased DoT back on Kirin.

Just a thought, but if this IS the case, it seems like a great way to work the two newer DoTs RDMs have for maximum effect at long fights.

[chesh]

My point is that it's situational, but I guess that is helped by a good bard and vermy/dalm/af2, which pushes things out of the newbie arena to be sure. It's only more MP if you convert everytime the timer's up.

Oh yes I agree it is very situational. But most of the time, for a career RDM, having more MP is the best way to go for anything.

Yes yes yes. It took me about 66 levels to realize that, but once I did it was like a very large light bulb over my head. The spells you are casting as rdm are constant from 48 to 75 (save the occasional Protect/Shell IV and lolnukes) -- more MP available converts directly into being able to do your job better. This is why wearing a few pieces of Zenith at the beginning of a party and whenever you convert is great; three Zenith (say, head/hands/legs, all of which are easy to get) = three more refresh/haste casts = one more person you can sustain effectively in a cycle. Contrast this to blm, my first job, where sure I got more MP every level, but the spells I was casting cost more MP too.
Then when you hit 75 and get expensive Tier 2 merits, more mp helps for casting those :D

[MikedeeFenrir]

another question-

I've heard/read that Bio 3/Dia 3 work differently than previous dia/bio debates. Through level two they overwrite in this manner:

dia << bio << dia 2 << bio 2.


Meaning dia 2 will overwrite bio 1, but bio 2 overwrites dia 2.

Now I've read that dia3/bio3 will BOTH overwrite eachother, which could be of a nice benefit at certain HNM/gods situations.

RDM 1 has 3 levels of Bio3, and uses it as DoT on Kirin to help negate regen.

RDM 2 has one level of Dia3, and casts it before weaponskills to increase damage dealt, and will overwrite the Bio3.

RDM 1 then recasts Bio3 after the skillchain to slap the increased DoT back on Kirin.

Just a thought, but if this IS the case, it seems like a great way to work the two newer DoTs RDMs have for maximum effect at long fights.

A BLMs Bio II will do more DOT than Bio III making it useless for RDM to waste merits on.

Since you're doing it on Kirin, why not:

BLM Bio II > RDM Dia III > 30 seconds/SC > Dia wears off > BLM Bio II

[Celebrindor]

A BLMs Bio II will do more DOT than Bio III making it useless for RDM to waste merits on.

Since you're doing it on Kirin, why not:

BLM Bio II > RDM Dia III > 30 seconds/SC > Dia wears off > BLM Bio II

Only reason not to? We're tight on BLMs compared to RDMs in my shell. Your point is valid, but for us, the plan I describe above is more plausible.

[LinktheDeme]

how did group 1 merits derail into group 2 merits? D:

[Delekii]

A BLM's BIOII wont do more than a RDMs bio3 if the RDM has all the dark skill available to them.

[yrpaine]

I'd agree with the 5/5 wind/ice thing being a compensate thing, but it is helpful until you can get some of the more gamebreaking endgame gear like af2 hat and ultima stuff which isn't a picnic to get. at the same time I don't understand why anyone would want to consider earth merrits when you can cap slow2. if 5/5 wind/ice is too much (ie: should have more on convert) then having more earth accuracy than 3/3 slow2 just seems the same.

only reason i'd lean away from convert merrits is because of how often I find myself going rdm/whm to things and wanting to DS > convert > cure4. and i'd personally find it annoying to not have DS ready with convert. but w/e gets mp up faster i guess.

[Celeras]

I'd agree with the 5/5 wind/ice thing being a compensate thing, but it is helpful until you can get some of the more gamebreaking endgame gear like af2 hat and ultima stuff which isn't a picnic to get. at the same time I don't understand why anyone would want to consider earth merrits when you can cap slow2. if 5/5 wind/ice is too much (ie: should have more on convert) then having more earth accuracy than 3/3 slow2 just seems the same.

only reason i'd lean away from convert merrits is because of how often I find myself going rdm/whm to things and wanting to DS > convert > cure4. and i'd personally find it annoying to not have DS ready with convert. but w/e gets mp up faster i guess.

I'm hardly a rdm main, but from a tank perspective:

-Anything except slow is useless. Para is too random, lolblind.
-Phalanx2 is a must. Too many people dont have it, and its nothing short of godly in situations where you have to take damage(Wyrms in the Air, Wings, Shadow Stripping AoEs/Spells, Flares, Khimaria, Chariot Moves... etc). There's nothing better.

The best way to achieve maximum results with the above would be 3/3 Phalanx 2, Slow 2, and Earth Accuracy.

[wop]

A BLMs Bio II will do more DOT than Bio III making it useless for RDM to waste merits on.

LOL
Gotta love those misinformation.

[MikedeeFenrir]

A BLMs Bio II will do more DOT than Bio III making it useless for RDM to waste merits on.

LOL
Gotta love those misinformation.

?
Bio2 @ 220skill does 7dmg/tick
Bio2 @ 276 skill does 8dmg/tick
Bio3 @ 220 skill does 8dmg/tick

RDM Caps @200 btw, so you're informed.

A BLM's BIOII wont do more than a RDMs bio3 if the RDM has all the dark skill available to them.

RDM Caps @200 Gear(Listed): 228

Abys. Ear+5, Crimson Hands+10, Subligar Body +3, Dark Torque +7, Dark Earring +3. Anything I missed? I think there's new items IDK, @Work lol.


I'm still trying to figure out how I'm misinformed.

[Raineer]

-Anything except slow is useless. Para is too random,

wow

[wop]

A BLMs Bio II will do more DOT than Bio III making it useless for RDM to waste merits on.

LOL
Gotta love those misinformation.

?
Bio2 @ 220skill does 7dmg/tick
Bio2 @ 276 skill does 8dmg/tick
Bio3 @ 220 skill does 8dmg/tick

RDM Caps @200 btw, so you're informed.

A BLM's BIOII wont do more than a RDMs bio3 if the RDM has all the dark skill available to them.

RDM Caps @200 Gear(Listed): 228

Abys. Ear+5, Crimson Hands+10, Subligar Body +3, Dark Torque +7, Dark Earring +3. Anything I missed? I think there's new items IDK, @Work lol.


I'm still trying to figure out how I'm misinformed.

You have just answered your question.
With appropriate gear, RDM's Bio3 slip dmg is equal to BLM's Bio2.

However, RDM vs RDM on Bio2 vs Bio3,
Bio2 6dmg/tick = 120 seconds total 240 dmg
Bio3 8dmg/tick = 90 seconds total 240 dmg

Imo, soloing or w/e, anything that is able to cut kill time by such a significant amount, is pure win in my books.

p/s aren't you the RDM that insists Dalmatica is crap for RDM and was flamed back by the rest of the RDM community eg Morathi, etc??? I think you should stick to BRD.

[Septimus]

I'd agree with the 5/5 wind/ice thing being a compensate thing, but it is helpful until you can get some of the more gamebreaking endgame gear like af2 hat and ultima stuff which isn't a picnic to get. at the same time I don't understand why anyone would want to consider earth merrits when you can cap slow2. if 5/5 wind/ice is too much (ie: should have more on convert) then having more earth accuracy than 3/3 slow2 just seems the same.

only reason i'd lean away from convert merrits is because of how often I find myself going rdm/whm to things and wanting to DS > convert > cure4. and i'd personally find it annoying to not have DS ready with convert. but w/e gets mp up faster i guess.

I'm hardly a rdm main, but from a tank perspective:

-Anything except slow is useless. Para is too random, lolblind.
-Phalanx2 is a must. Too many people dont have it, and its nothing short of godly in situations where you have to take damage(Wyrms in the Air, Wings, Shadow Stripping AoEs/Spells, Flares, Khimaria, Chariot Moves... etc). There's nothing better.

The best way to achieve maximum results with the above would be 3/3 Phalanx 2, Slow 2, and Earth Accuracy.

No, just no. Paralyze my be random, but when it kicks in the effect is amazing. You may not notice it as a tank, but trust me, the Red Mage is sitting in the back smiling every time "xxx is paralyzed" appears on the screen, and the White Mages shed a little tear for each Cure V they don't have to cast because of it.

[Tajin]

No, just no. Paralyze my be random, but when it kicks in the effect is amazing. You may not notice it as a tank, but trust me, the Red Mage is sitting in the back smiling every time "xxx is paralyzed" appears on the screen, and the White Mages shed a little tear for each Cure V they don't have to cast because of it.

Fact, and when it procs 2 or 3 times back to back, oh boy, /joy+1

[MikedeeFenrir]

A BLMs Bio II will do more DOT than Bio III making it useless for RDM to waste merits on.

LOL
Gotta love those misinformation.

?
Bio2 @ 220skill does 7dmg/tick
Bio2 @ 276 skill does 8dmg/tick
Bio3 @ 220 skill does 8dmg/tick

RDM Caps @200 btw, so you're informed.

A BLM's BIOII wont do more than a RDMs bio3 if the RDM has all the dark skill available to them.

RDM Caps @200 Gear(Listed): 228

Abys. Ear+5, Crimson Hands+10, Subligar Body +3, Dark Torque +7, Dark Earring +3. Anything I missed? I think there's new items IDK, @Work lol.


I'm still trying to figure out how I'm misinformed.

You have just answered your question.
With appropriate gear, RDM's Bio3 slip dmg is equal to BLM's Bio2.

However, RDM vs RDM on Bio2 vs Bio3,
Bio2 6dmg/tick = 120 seconds total 240 dmg
Bio3 8dmg/tick = 90 seconds total 240 dmg

Imo, soloing or w/e, anything that is able to cut kill time by such a significant amount, is pure win in my books.

p/s aren't you the RDM that insists Dalmatica is crap for RDM and was flamed back by the rest of the RDM community eg Morathi, etc??? I think you should stick to BRD.

Bio II is 7HP/Tick if you're saying Bio III is doing 8HP/Tick (Guessing @220 Dark Magic)

What you're saying both spells do 240 dmg over time. II last 120 seconds, III lasts 90 (@ 3/3 merits).

Bio II MP Cost: 36
Bio III Mp Cost: 54

In overall time Bio III will do more dmg, but, I still can't see any reason to dump 3/3 Tier II merits into this and ignore SlowII or Paralyze II (even Phalanx II).

p/s No, I'm not, I do make fun of RDMs for Enfeebling in it however (same with BRDs who cast Lullaby/Elegy in it). I also make fun of WARs who TP in Osode/Amir, but that has nothing to do with the topic.

[mikazuki]

equipment:

RDM&BLM
+7 dark torque
+3 dark earring
+5 abyssal earring
+5 nashira manteel
+5 merciful cape

RDM
+3 glamor jupon
+10/11 crmsn fng gnt/+1

BLM
+5 blackjack
+10/12 sorcerer's gloves/+1
+15 wizard's tonban
+4/5 igqira huaraches/+1

Other
+15 diabolos' ring (darksday only)
+3/5 inferno sabots (new moon only)
+5 killer mantle (drk SJ latent)

[Raineer]

+5 killer mantle (drk SJ latent)

Does this exist yet?

[Khamsin]

+5 killer mantle (drk SJ latent)

Does this exist yet?

I've seen as many of those as I've seen Wrestler's Mantle.