Normal Assault ??? Statistics

[Kilik]

Azure Experiments

??? Boots - Ash Clogs
??? Boots - Leather Highboots

[Bakthi]

Troll Fugitives

??? box x4

Red rockx2, sulfur, copper ore

[klvino]

Shooting Down the Baron x2

Appraised in Whitegate

??? Box - Bone Chip
??? Bow - Crossbow +1

[Ridri]

Double Agent x3
Whitegate appraisal

??? Sword > Uchigatana +1
??? Sword > Gust Claymore
??? Sword > Uchigatana +1

[Varg]

Evade & Escape

??? Dagger = Spark Dagger
??? Box = Sulfur
??? Dagger = Kyofu

[zagex]

Defuse the threat x3
Gorget +1 x3

appraised in whitegate

[divisortheory]

Shooting Down the Baron x1

Crossbow +1

[Blayze]

3 Pre-emptive strike
2 ??? neck = 2 gorget+1's
1 ??? box = eggplant

[Stelaereous]

Breaking Morale(?)

??? Neck > Spectacles
??? Neck > Spectacles

2 Spectacles in a Row. Breaking Morale(?), Assault level 2, Mamool Ja Staging Point.


On another note, I didn't appraise them until a few hours after my assault party. Had the "You cannot obtain Specs..." Message (Rare). Hah.

[Celeras]

Breaking Morale(?)

??? Neck > Spectacles
??? Neck > Spectacles

2 Spectacles in a Row. Breaking Morale(?), Assault level 2, Mamool Ja Staging Point.


On another note, I didn't appraise them until a few hours after my assault party. Had the "You cannot obtain Specs..." Message (Rare). Hah.

And you got them again when you reappraised? I always figured it was random on-the-spot type dealy.

If thats the case, then there should be some way to tell what you have without appraising it.

[divisortheory]

If thats the case, then there should be some way to tell what you have without appraising it.

Not really. Every object in the world has an id. probably a 32 bit number (0 to 4,294,967,295). When the item is obtained, the server assigns it an Item ID that nothing else in the world has. Say it gets Item ID 150. Then server updates a record somewhere to say "Whenever Item ID 150 is appraised, it will become a pair of Spectaclse." but obviously doesn't tell you that, it just gives you Item 150. As soon as you appraise it, it looks up the record and says oh that's a pair of spectacles. This has the properties that:

1) It is a technical impossibility for you to know what it is before appraising it.
2) Even if you did find out what it is, you could not change it without hacking the server.
3) It will always be the same even if you try it with your inventory full 100 times.

[divisortheory]

2 Spectacles in a Row. Breaking Morale(?), Assault level 2, Mamool Ja Staging Point.

Are you sure this wasn't Preemptive Strike? Breaking Morale is a Lv. 4 Assault, and is not reported to drop Specs. Preemptive Strike is the Lv. 2 one, and does drop Specs. Preemptiev Strike is the one where you just go around and kill all the Mamool you see. That sound like more or less what you did?

[Suiram]

I think it's still interesting to confirm that the appraised item is decided at the time you obtain the ??? item and not at the time of appraisal. The problem with testing this lies in the fact that once you trade the ??? to the appraiser you become 59/60 instead of 60/60. If you are solo when you trade 60/60 does the item still enter your inventory, or does it enter a treasure pool, or do you get the 'unable to obtain' message?

It would be interesting if someone gets the 'unable to obtain' message again due to the above conditions or due to a case like the spectacles one, try trading like 10 times or so just to make sure, then trade 10 times each to the two other appraisal NPCs to determine if the zone you appraise in has any effect on the item appraised.

[Miltani]

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[NynJa]

I think it's still interesting to confirm that the appraised item is decided at the time you obtain the ??? item and not at the time of appraisal. The problem with testing this lies in the fact that once you trade the ??? to the appraiser you become 59/60 instead of 60/60. If you are solo when you trade 60/60 does the item still enter your inventory, or does it enter a treasure pool, or do you get the 'unable to obtain' message?

It would be interesting if someone gets the 'unable to obtain' message again due to the above conditions or due to a case like the spectacles one, try trading like 10 times or so just to make sure, then trade 10 times each to the two other appraisal NPCs to determine if the zone you appraise in has any effect on the item appraised.

I've tried that

the game takes the item out of your inventory, then creates one.

[Zeria]

Preemtive Strike -
??? Necklace > Storm Torque
??? Necklace > Gorget +1
??? Necklace > Spectacles

[divisortheory]

Demolition Duty x1

??? Sash - Silver Obi+1

[Kaylia]

I think it's still interesting to confirm that the appraised item is decided at the time you obtain the ??? item and not at the time of appraisal. The problem with testing this lies in the fact that once you trade the ??? to the appraiser you become 59/60 instead of 60/60. If you are solo when you trade 60/60 does the item still enter your inventory, or does it enter a treasure pool, or do you get the 'unable to obtain' message?

It would be interesting if someone gets the 'unable to obtain' message again due to the above conditions or due to a case like the spectacles one, try trading like 10 times or so just to make sure, then trade 10 times each to the two other appraisal NPCs to determine if the zone you appraise in has any effect on the item appraised.

I've tried that

the game takes the item out of your inventory, then creates one.

You could use that then to confirm every reward from a "??? item" then? Trade it 50 times in a row and check the result

[yrpaine]

lamia no.13 3x
??? footwear
??? box
??? footwear

bronze leggings+1
rusty bucket
bronze leggings+1

[safer]

2x defuse the threat
??? neck -- feather collar / gorget +1

1x azure experiments
??? ring -- copper ring