Chariots - Information and Speculation

[Pendas]

Discord" is the name of the attack (quickly translated from Aircommand's Salvage conquest page) and is supposedly a directional attack instead of the cactuar AoE, leading me to believe that this...

If this is true then we may have found a pattern in the way we fight these bosses.

Long Bowed Chariot and Battleclad Chariot both use a Forward AoE / Breath type attack. So standing to its sides or behind them seem to be the best way to avoid its damage.

Also, this guy is completely shielded from the front and appears to be completely vulnerable from the rear, MV shows shields move, but only around the front and nothing at the back.

Long Armed Chariot and Armored Chariot may work in the same way. Wafik says Armored Chariots shields don't rotate to the back, leaving that area open. The Armed Chariot has two hands capable of reaching and "stealing" the minds of anyone in front or to its sides, but as we all know from years of trying to scratch out backs, its very hard to grab something from behind.

Edit: I think more information needs to be gathered on the Archaic Chariots in the zone and how they relate to the strength of the Megaboss. There have been several reports of them weakening the boss in some way. If you check the .dat files every area has 2 Archaic Chariots except for Zhyaolim which has 3 ( Two that weaken the boss, 1 that opens the door?)

[Gerion]

But for Battleclad, if it really is a needles type move, you might want everyone in front of it, unless you want 3000 damage hitting your tank every 30 seconds or so.

[miokomioko]

Maybe try this against Brainjack...?

[Khamsin]

But for Battleclad, if it really is a needles type move, you might want everyone in front of it, unless you want 3000 damage hitting your tank every 30 seconds or so.

Only need two tanks in front, most tanks I know can get 1500+ hp. Though I'm not sure whether its more hate and mp efficient to Cure V two or three tanks each time, or Curaga II the entire alliance.

As for LBC, if he only charms people in front, that doesn't really help since once he charms the tank in front, he'll turn to the back and start charming the people back there.

Unless, of course, you attempt to rely on having one tank with Sangha Earring, Volunteer's Earring, Merrow 17's Locket, and Unyielding Ring try to resist Charm. lol

[Obev]

I'm not sure whether its more hate and mp efficient to Cure V two or three tanks each time, or Curaga II the entire alliance.

More hate efficient to Cure V twice. More MP efficient to Curaga II once. Take your pick.

Edit: You'd need to Curaga II three times in an 18-person alliance. Brain obviously not working. Much more hate amd MP efficient to whack the tanks with a Cure V in this case.

[aurik]

More hate and mp efficient to avoid the move entirely.

[Obev]

More hate and mp efficient to avoid the move entirely.

[Archeons]

I finally understood what the JP website trying to say. Like Lordwafik mentioned on the 1st page. I am begining to think there are 4 Archaic Chariots, one on each Remnants.

I am speculating that to get to Zhaylom Remannts & Arrapago Remnants final floor, you will have to pop Archaic Chariot on the 5th floor and also on the 6th floor(possibly to kill them as well)

Speculation:
Arrapago:
To pop Archaic Chariot on the 5th floor @Arrapago Remnants, you will have to clear all the gear and agro or hit one of the Archaic Ramparts.(tested on our 2nd run but need further conformation)
We didn't play around on the 6th floor due to time restraint. I am speculating you will have to clear the gears and hit one of the Archaic Ramparts.
Zhaylom:
Not so sure how to pop the Archaic Chariot here, but might be the same as the one at Arrapago. The one at the 6th floor is already up, but you will have to agro it and possibly kill it.
Jp site claimed you will have to pop the 5th floor and the 6th floor Chariot.

I am sorry if i derailed this post.

Archeons,
http://www.millenniumls.org

[Khamsin]

I'm not sure whether its more hate and mp efficient to Cure V two or three tanks each time, or Curaga II the entire alliance.

More hate efficient to Cure V twice. More MP efficient to Curaga II once. Take your pick.

Edit: You'd need to Curaga II three times in an 18-person alliance. Brain obviously not working. Much more hate amd MP efficient to whack the tanks with a Cure V in this case.

3000 / 18 = 167

That's one Curaga II, not three.

More hate and mp efficient to avoid the move entirely.

Are you suggesting taking from the side and spinning with it?

[divisortheory]

Maybe try this against Brainjack...?

And this

[Khamsin]

Maybe try this against Brainjack...?

And this

And this

[Suiram]

Maybe try this against Brainjack...?

And this

And this

Don't forget this!

Yeah it doesn't exist, your point?

[divisortheory]

Was the Volunteer's Earring ever even discovered? Wiki says it might? drop from Mythril Mouth Monamaq, with absolutely no information about the NM. Is the NM even confirmed to exist?

[Khamsin]

Maybe try this against Brainjack...?

And this

And this

Don't forget this!

Yeah it doesn't exist, your point?

Or this, then.

Yay for non-existant gear!

Was the Volunteer's Earring ever even discovered? Wiki says it might? drop from Mythril Mouth Monamaq, with absolutely no information about the NM. Is the NM even confirmed to exist?

I'm assuming someone got it off of Mythril Mouth Monamaq, otherwise there's no reason to believe he'd drop it. But I don't know... I've never seen it. My first thought was it might have been a synth using Medusa's Armlet or something, but I guess that's used for something else.

[Faranim]

I'm not sure whether its more hate and mp efficient to Cure V two or three tanks each time, or Curaga II the entire alliance.

More hate efficient to Cure V twice. More MP efficient to Curaga II once. Take your pick.

Edit: You'd need to Curaga II three times in an 18-person alliance. Brain obviously not working. Much more hate amd MP efficient to whack the tanks with a Cure V in this case.

3000 / 18 = 167

That's one Curaga II, not three.

One Curaga II only hits 6 people.

[Jeryhn]

I'm not sure whether its more hate and mp efficient to Cure V two or three tanks each time, or Curaga II the entire alliance.

More hate efficient to Cure V twice. More MP efficient to Curaga II once. Take your pick.

Edit: You'd need to Curaga II three times in an 18-person alliance. Brain obviously not working. Much more hate amd MP efficient to whack the tanks with a Cure V in this case.

3000 / 18 = 167

That's one Curaga II, not three.

One Curaga II only hits 6 people.

The difference is that that MP cost is split among three different people rather than one. In most cases, that's not a great cost, because you could easily have other WHM/BLM/RDM/SMN/BLU/BRD in those parties capable of subbing WHM and casting Curaga 2 (or an alternative AoE healing spell), which is normal party setup tactics. Overall, whether or not this is feasible depends on how often Discord is used compared to other attacks.

Also in the cases of having SMNs or BLUs in other parties, the attacks could be negated entirely through the use of Earthen Ward and Diamondhide.

I'd say the Curaga route is better than keeping only two people in range, your tanks, who could be fairly easily leveled by the attack if people aren't being extremely careful.

[Khamsin]

I'm not sure whether its more hate and mp efficient to Cure V two or three tanks each time, or Curaga II the entire alliance.

More hate efficient to Cure V twice. More MP efficient to Curaga II once. Take your pick.

Edit: You'd need to Curaga II three times in an 18-person alliance. Brain obviously not working. Much more hate amd MP efficient to whack the tanks with a Cure V in this case.

3000 / 18 = 167

That's one Curaga II, not three.

One Curaga II only hits 6 people.

You and your (Too Weak) Curagas.

[Sci]

Also in the cases of having SMNs or BLUs in other parties, the attacks could be negated entirely through the use of Earthen Ward and Diamondhide.

SMN would be a bit more useful. Supply Earth Ward, and a carbuncle. Having pets in range is actually the most preferable choice. And SMN damage at least on LBC was pretty good.

[divisortheory]

I'm assuming someone got it off of Mythril Mouth Monamaq, otherwise there's no reason to believe he'd drop it. But I don't know... I've never seen it. My first thought was it might have been a synth using Medusa's Armlet or something, but I guess that's used for something else.

Decided to go fight Mythril Mouth tonight just to see what was up. Let's just say you don't want to fight this shit without an alliance.

[klvino]

Maybe try this against Brainjack...?

And this

And this

Don't forget this!

Yeah it doesn't exist, your point?

Protected Aria cannot be acquired in game at this time.

And even with two "Resist Charm" items on, you'll still end up charmed most of the time.