Guillotine double-attacks (Ruke read this!)

[Tythera]

I'm almost 100% sure I've gotten a 15 TP return shark bite once (11 from 2 Hits + Offhand, 2 TP more for each triple). Let me see if I can find the screenshot (and if it even shows proper TP return).

Edit: ok, found the screenshot but by the time I took it I was at 54 TP. So nothing concrete other than I distinctly remember it happening. Also went and checked a recent Byakko where I remembered getting huge numbers /DRK, but that was 9 TP (6 from first two hits, 8 triple, 9 double) which isn't what you were asking.

[Genosync]

I'm pretty sure virtue weapons can proc on ws. I'm not positive and havent used my fortitude axe in a long time, but i remember losing virtue stones on weapon skills.

Pretty sure this is false, if someone's got some info to back it up I'd sure as hell be interested though.

[divisortheory]

Do you mean 2 triple attacks on the same hand? Or triple attack from mainhand + offhand? I get triple/triple on main/offhand all the time on Mercy Stroke sometimes, I can tell because it gives me a 13TP return (the damage is pretty ridiculous as well. 2900 on a Greater Colibri was my highest).

If you mean twice on the same hand, I've never seen anything to make me think it's possible, but on the other hand a majority o of my pre-mercy stroke days involved 5 hit Weaponskills while dual wielding, putting me close enough to the 8 hit cap that I might never really know.

[Max™]

Raging Rush+Active Amood (or Fortitude Axe), Normal /Sam Tp return=18 (16+1+1), periodically I get 20 Tp's, and once in a blue moon I get an ungodly freakish dmg 21 Tp return (like 1400-1600 from a normal range of 800-1100) so I figured you could double once per hit of a multi hit skill+double with Fort/Amood weapons during WS.

Rampage only allowing two doubles (5+1 off hand, 2 doubles lets you hit cap, but they can be main OR offhand) because its so many hits already.

O.O

Someone have a failzaghnal from bahamut?

Go do some Guillotine tests nao.

[Not Kuno]

Someone have a failzaghnal from bahamut?

Go do some Guillotine tests nao.

I do but Scythe isn't high enough for that WS yet.

[VZX]

Do you mean 2 triple attacks on the same hand? Or triple attack from mainhand + offhand? I get triple/triple on main/offhand all the time on Mercy Stroke sometimes, I can tell because it gives me a 13TP return (the damage is pretty ridiculous as well. 2900 on a Greater Colibri was my highest).

If you mean twice on the same hand, I've never seen anything to make me think it's possible, but on the other hand a majority o of my pre-mercy stroke days involved 5 hit Weaponskills while dual wielding, putting me close enough to the 8 hit cap that I might never really know.

I never considered mainhand/offhand as far as DA/TA goes. It's always "because it's multi-hit, you got chance more than once to make DA/TA proc"

slight OT because I am not quite sure about this :
Why do you guys call it offhand hit? does full hit rampage using Jugg/Man is significantly less damage than if you use Jugg/Ceremonial Dagger?

[Ichthyos]

Why do you guys call it offhand hit?

"offhand hit" refers to the extra hit that you automatically get on (physical?) weapon skills if you're dual wielding.

(perhaps i'm misunderstanding your question though.)

[VZX]

Why do you guys call it offhand hit?

"offhand hit" refers to the extra hit that you automatically get on (physical?) weapon skills if you're dual wielding.

(perhaps i'm misunderstanding your question though.)

I was trying to ask whether these "offhand hits" damage are actually coming based on the base damage on the offhand weapon or whatever you have in main slot instead.

[Retrieving/C.D/Searain]

Do you mean 2 triple attacks on the same hand? Or triple attack from mainhand + offhand? I get triple/triple on main/offhand all the time on Mercy Stroke sometimes, I can tell because it gives me a 13TP return (the damage is pretty ridiculous as well. 2900 on a Greater Colibri was my highest).

If you mean twice on the same hand, I've never seen anything to make me think it's possible, but on the other hand a majority o of my pre-mercy stroke days involved 5 hit Weaponskills while dual wielding, putting me close enough to the 8 hit cap that I might never really know.

I never considered mainhand/offhand as far as DA/TA goes. It's always "because it's multi-hit, you got chance more than once to make DA/TA proc"

slight OR because I am not quite sure about this :
Why do you guys call it offhand hit? does full hit rampage using Jugg/Man is significantly less damage than if you use Jugg/Ceremonial Dagger?

I know for a fact that my Rampage average damage went down a bit when I started using Maneater/Ridill (DMG: 49/40) instead of Woodville's/Maneater (DMG: 50/49) and I seriously doubt the only reason of this performances decrease was the loss of 4 STR.

[Ichthyos]

Why do you guys call it offhand hit?

"offhand hit" refers to the extra hit that you automatically get on (physical?) weapon skills if you're dual wielding.

(perhaps i'm misunderstanding your question though.)

I was trying to ask whether these "offhand hits" damage are actually coming based on the base damage on the offhand weapon or whatever you have in main slot instead.

Ah ok. Yeah, my understanding is that the damage from these hits are coming from the offhand weapon. It's not that I tested this extensively, though.

[divisortheory]

Yea I believe offhand hit damage is calculated based on the D of the weapon in the offhand.

I've never tested with a D1 on the offhand, though.

[Tdizzle]

I'm almost 100% sure I've gotten a 15 TP return shark bite once (11 from 2 Hits + Offhand, 2 TP more for each triple). Let me see if I can find the screenshot (and if it even shows proper TP return).

Edit: ok, found the screenshot but by the time I took it I was at 54 TP. So nothing concrete other than I distinctly remember it happening. Also went and checked a recent Byakko where I remembered getting huge numbers /DRK, but that was 9 TP (6 from first two hits, 8 triple, 9 double) which isn't what you were asking.

Yea, I think this can happen. I remember back right when COP was released and I was a recent 75 thf with pretty gimp gear I was fighting Abraxus and hit a 2.1k SB (sporting martial/guarda dagger without a brd no less). It was a triple off each hand. I felt strong.

Too bad we arent allowed more than 8 hits per ws or else thieves would put up a lot of 9-10 hit DE's ; ;

[Not Kuno]

I'm almost 100% sure I've gotten a 15 TP return shark bite once (11 from 2 Hits + Offhand, 2 TP more for each triple). Let me see if I can find the screenshot (and if it even shows proper TP return).

Edit: ok, found the screenshot but by the time I took it I was at 54 TP. So nothing concrete other than I distinctly remember it happening. Also went and checked a recent Byakko where I remembered getting huge numbers /DRK, but that was 9 TP (6 from first two hits, 8 triple, 9 double) which isn't what you were asking.

Yea, I think this can happen. I remember back right when COP was released and I was a recent 75 thf with pretty gimp gear I was fighting Abraxus and hit a 2.1k SB (sporting martial/guarda dagger without a brd no less). It was a triple off each hand. I felt strong.

Too bad we arent allowed more than 8 hits per ws or else thieves would put up a lot of 9-10 hit DE's ; ;

Maybe thats why Mercy Stroke is 1 hit, so you can do super ultra megazord dmg when both hands triple attack.

[jerkbox]

i'm 90% certain offhand hit in ws is calculated with that weapon's dmg, accuracy, and attack. playing around with dagger/sword on thf and wsing mobs that are too high for my sword skill would usually net me base tp minus 1.

[Starr]

This is interesting;
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.h...;num=33;page=1

[RKenshin]

Just to reinforce it again, off-hand base damage definitely does make a difference. WS damage takes a really noticeable hit when off handing kraken on NIN or WAR.

[Sanjiyan]

I might've missed this... but did anyone try a single wielded axe rampage to see if it can DA more than once? I know that when dual wielding, a WAR/NIN gets 6 hits out of rampage, and that 2 DA is the max you can get out of that due to the cap of 8 attacks per combat round. It was believed that 1 DA came from main-hand rampage, and 1 DA came from off-hand swing... as opposed to both DA coming from the main-hand rampage.

And thus the believe that one-handed weapons can only DA once per hand.

But if a single wielded axe rampage can hit 7 times, then we can pretty much say that each attack from a multi-hit WS can proc a DA.

[orinthia]

I did some massive skilling up with a schiltron spear over the weekend and cleared trial spear mostly solo. As war without any store-tp gear aside from brutal earring I noticed that every normal full hit penta would give a return of 14tp since normal return per hit was 10tp (never saw 11tp from a hit idt...). Every so often I'd get 15tp and a pretty good increase in dmg. A few times I'd get 16tp return and the dmg dealt was usually xbox hueg in comparison every time (like 350-400 14tp, 500-560 15tp, 640-780 16tp).

Out of probably ~1000 pentas, maybe more, there must have been only about six or seven 16tp returns while 15tp was a bit more common. Sadly I play on ps2 so I couldn't parse any of it but saw the return on every penta.

Never saw 17tp though... Looks like it's possible but only once in a blue moon lol.

[RKenshin]

I might've missed this... but did anyone try a single wielded axe rampage to see if it can DA more than once?

I've single wielded Ridill and recieved TP return twice over the course of a 2h exp PT that would suggest I DAed twice in Vorpal Blade. The damage also corresponded to what the increase in damage would be like.

I never thought much of it though, because I never felt like looking into it further. That, and this was back when I first finished /DRG like a year ago, and was just for fun.

[SamanosukeShiva]

If it helps, I've gotten 2x DA in Impulse drive.
Regular Impulse Drive give back 21TP, and I got 23TP back while I was soloing @Kuftal, the damage jump is pretty crazy too, from 500 dmg regular @100~110TP to 1,2k dmg.