Princess Bards

[aurik]

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Not to derail this thread but point out the sub-par melee in this recent parser of mine on a Greater Colibri camp: Vytiss (MNK/NIN), Toth and Serenade (PUP/WAR), Ligerzero (NIN/WAR), or Zervilhaa (THF/NIN). A decently geared PUP may surprise you. Bard just makes the master that much better.

Same camp, 1 bard.
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Your monk averages 57 dmg per hit. I average 96.
Your thf averages 30 dmg per hit. Wafik 71.
Your nin averages 46 dmg per hit. Krandor 57.

I submit that all the melee are sub-par in your parse.

[Lordender]

i really never understood how someone can equip a job really well like drk, drg, sam hell even lolpup and parse it against extremely gimp normal quality joe's in pickup exp then brag about their performance. If you are parsing to see personal improvements then ok but posting a parse saying "I pwn or look at me i outparsed some blah blah" doesn't really hold any merit until you parse against top tier geared melee.

[Fng]

/equip Main "Jupiter's Staff"
/ma "Thunder IV" <t>
/wait 1
/ma "Thunder III" <t>

Mine gets stuck on the first spell.. and doesnt process the macro after that...

[Mifaco]

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b7.../meripo122.jpg

Not to derail this thread but point out the sub-par melee in this recent parser of mine on a Greater Colibri camp: Vytiss (MNK/NIN), Toth and Serenade (PUP/WAR), Ligerzero (NIN/WAR), or Zervilhaa (THF/NIN). A decently geared PUP may surprise you. Bard just makes the master that much better.

Same camp, 1 bard.
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9...07parseqh6.png

Your monk averages 57 dmg per hit. I average 96.
Your thf averages 30 dmg per hit. Wafik 71.
Your nin averages 46 dmg per hit. Krandor 57.

I submit that all the melee are sub-par in your parse.

fucking relic elitist

[Toth]

Your monk averages 57 dmg per hit. I average 96.
Your thf averages 30 dmg per hit. Wafik 71.
Your nin averages 46 dmg per hit. Krandor 57.

I submit that all the melee are sub-par in your parse.

That's a very unfair comparision, especially when you guys have relics and extremely uber gear. I am also sure Krandor has better gear than my ls NIN. No one is going to beat you 3 so why even compare? I am talking about normal melees here.

[TsingTao]

I noticed the THF's average stabbity damage and up went the red flags. I'm not surprised someone beat my slow typing to a response.

[Jeryhn]

Your monk averages 57 dmg per hit. I average 96.
Your thf averages 30 dmg per hit. Wafik 71.
Your nin averages 46 dmg per hit. Krandor 57.

I submit that all the melee are sub-par in your parse.

That's a very unfair comparision, especially when you guys have relics and extremely uber gear. I am also sure Krandor has better gear than my ls NIN. No one is going to beat you 3 so why even compare? I am talking about normal melees here.

His point is that your melees should not be hitting for half compared to melee characters with relic wepaons that give fairly marginal increases to normal, standard gear.

[Toth]

i really never understood how someone can equip a job really well like drk, drg, sam hell even lolpup and parse it against extremely gimp normal quality joe's in pickup exp then brag about their performance. If you are parsing to see personal improvements then ok but posting a parse saying "I pwn or look at me i outparsed some blah blah" doesn't really hold any merit until you parse against top tier geared melee.

Perhaps you can explain why whenever a loljob actually parses well, that people immediately start saying the other jobs are gimp?

[Lordender]

because you know your gear is probably going to be better than alot of peoples in pickup parties. Its like me going out on drk with my ebody, ace's helm and blowing away gimp NQ joes in pickup pt's and posting bragging about my damage when i wasent parsing against people of equal gear.

[Tajin]

would parser change much if you /NIN instead of /WAR ?

[TsingTao]

would parser change much if you /NIN instead of /WAR ?

If who changed to /NIN....the PUP?

[Fingerspitz]

[quote=Kenai][quote=Fingerspitz]

I will not merit on PUP without a BRD

best post in the history of BG.

Oh really? Care to explain why?

It's genius in its absurdity. It could be the ultimate poster quote for allaKI noobs who consider BG elitists. And because it's funny.

Its absurd to not want a BRD to have the best exp per hour...?

Yes, it is absurd to want a brd to not have the best exp per hour. Did you miss a negative or do you really expect brds to go out of their way to gimp their pts with a sub-par damage dealer by choice? (as opposed to helping an ls mate/friend get buffer)

shadow dont be mad plz~ ._. was just eating breakfast and couldnt pass this one up, I'm turning off browser in a second![/quote:9fc1c]

What a stupid comment. As both a BRD and a PUP I find that even those classes that you consider "mediocre" are putting in enough damage to make it worth my time. as long as they aren't stupid. I will leave, or kick, anyone who thinks that they are getting a free ride with me, and let me tell you, I have ran into far more shitty WARs and NINs and MNKs than any other loljob out there, and I love to boot them for one of those loljobs and watch my exp per hour go up. The best WARs and NINs and MNKs are fine with me, but I usually do go by player name, and I'd rather take someone I know won't let me down, then hope I just got some GED idiot from the dozen "popular" melee jobs seeking at any time, or begging me to join them.[/quote:9fc1c]

Oh what the hell, I just wrote out a paragraph in response because I thought you were Toth -_-; In any case, what a stupid response, way to ignore the point of my post which was just asking him to clarify what he said. But now that you bring it up, I'm 100% certain my wal-mart war can kick the crap out of an equally equipped loljob in any camp over any number of parses. If you deal in scenarios with equal equipment, non loljobs > loljobs. If your wars cant outparse pups it is not because pup is a superior job, it is because as you say yourself those were crappy wars.

[Toth]

I honestly do not care about your faith torque/hades sainti pup marginally outparsing a mnk whose gear you didn't mention in a single party, but I'm sure it somehow shows that pup is the end-all be-all of melee dd.

This was NEVER claimed. All I am saying is that a good PUP will do excellent damage with a BRD in party and I have tons of parsers to prove it. PUP is far from a phenomenal DD but it is not a waste of a slot like so many people like to preach like it's gospel.

PS I want a faith torque

[Heian]

Toth the problem with PUP is: PUP in the best gear compared to a DRK/MNK/NIN/WAR/ect... in the best gear is going to blow you out of the water.

PUP with the best gear possible is about the same damage as a WAR melee'n in AF1.

I mean all the more power to you having fun and pushing that job but you are trying to make it something that its not.

[Tajin]

would parser change much if you /NIN instead of /WAR ?

If who changed to /NIN....the PUP?

Yes the PUP, everyone else is /NIN already >.>;

[Tordall]

For whatever reason people that are really high-end DDs (and high-end mages & bards) don't tend to merit all that often with pickup parties.

Since I've quit doing HNMs I've tried out a bunch of 'pickup' parties on various jobs and can say that there is an almost inexplicably wide gap in the performance of melees. The performance difference between 'the absolute best' items which cost 10-30 mil and the next step down, are measurable but not at the 50% level.

I know that Dragoons and beastmasters can actually do very well relative to other high-end DDs. However, they need just as much high-end gear to do it. In both cases, as the player starts to gear up, the relative amount of damage of the pet goes way down (less so for beastmasters with beast affinity & high-end jugs). Most well geared dragoons do about eight times the damage of their wyverns, but still need to add in that extra wyvern damage to beat high-end warriors, monks and ninjas.

I'ld imagine the same is true for puppetmasters. At the final stages of their gear, they should start doing a lot more damage relative to their puppets.

[Fingerspitz]

I honestly do not care about your faith torque/hades sainti pup marginally outparsing a mnk whose gear you didn't mention in a single party, but I'm sure it somehow shows that pup is the end-all be-all of melee dd.

This was NEVER claimed. All I am saying is that a good PUP will do excellent damage with a BRD in party and I have tons of parsers to prove it. PUP is far from a phenomenal DD but it is not a waste of a slot like so many people like to preach like it's gospel.

PS I want a faith torque :P

Sorry, someone else responded to that post and I thought it was you for some reason :/ my bad.

and har har sha;; I'll see you in a couple hours, late lunch >.<

[Shad]

We'll see you might not see me at all

[Beckwin]

Looking at aurik's parse, I'd guess he was mnk/war.

HAY GUYZ MY MNK/WAR WITH RELIC KNUCKS DOES A LOT MORE PER HIT THAN A MNK/NIN USING <Destroyers or Waghs most likely>!

Not sure about wafik in that parse, was he on thf/war? Probably not actually, but I'm guessing he has the gear to support atk food there.

[Toth]

I know PUP will never beat any uber geared and meritted player. Few people do. However, I only merit now as PUP with ls mates because I want to ensure that if I parse, I am doing it with well-geared melees (not godly ones because there are so few on my server). With those kind of players, PUP works well. Against the best players, PUP will always lag behind. Thats the way the job is structured.

Now, Aurik, two things:
1) How (and what) did you critical for 406?
2) Did you use food and go /war? (Vytiss was /NIN and pulling massive hate)

Vytiss has pretty much the best MNK gear I know of and I am curious how you do so much compared to him.