Princess Bards

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Did you know: In exp parties PLD can hold hate better, allowing other DDs to go all out more often? Not to mention the fact that though they take damage they also cure some of the damage away!

Seriously, build a party knowing your tank. With a PLD you can have xxx/WAR survive.

[Aviendha]

When the other pt showed up on the bottom ledge last time it definitely affected our pulls

Anyone who says it's my responsibility to stay in a shite party because the other 5 people are ok with it gets a hearty "fuck off" from me.

Anyone have a link for the 'best excuses for leaving a bad pt' thread? Looked but didn't find it at first glance.

I remember "gotta go guys, my goldfish is on fire" being a good line for these situations though Aurik.

[Talint]

No, if someone wants to leave it party because it's not good, that's their perogative.

Anyone who says it's my responsibility to stay in a shite party because the other 5 people are ok with it gets a hearty "fuck off" from me.

Nobody should stay in a crappy party. Nobody. Especially if its a pickup.

However, when you decide that you're only going to get 20k/hr and not invite the linkshell PLD who needs to cap his EXP... Then that's a problem.

So I ask, what defines a bad party?

You seem to have a really backwards point of view concerning this.

I imagine its not the only backwards point of view I have re: this game.

[Cesaria]

As a general rule I'll only exp BRD for friends' parties these days, but when I did seek on BRD I'd take pretty much anything - apart from the one time I said "no I'm not going up Ulegerand Range with a random pickup crew cos someone always noobs out on the way up" and got a gobful of abuse for it.

I've exp with PLD, I've exp with NIN and I've even endured the ultimate BRD migraine experience of PLD+stupidTHF. I'll ask 3 times for people to stand in the right place - and then I'll give you bloody Goblin Gavotte.

[Jeryhn]

No, if someone wants to leave it party because it's not good, that's their perogative.

Anyone who says it's my responsibility to stay in a shite party because the other 5 people are ok with it gets a hearty "fuck off" from me.

Nobody should stay in a crappy party. Nobody. Especially if its a pickup.

However, when you decide that you're only going to get 20k/hr and not invite the linkshell PLD who needs to cap his EXP... Then that's a problem.

So I ask, what defines a bad party?

There's an Elvaan Ridill/Adaberk WAR in my LS that merited DEX over STR (it's not Takedown lol - this guy has had both of those pieces for well over 2.5 years). I don't invite him to EXP either. And the #1 reason I don't invite him is because I know for a fact that he's ass.

I have no problem with partying with certain jobs if I know they're good and can fulfill the role that is necessary. Either way, I still don't EXP without a BRD.

[Beckwin]

I can understand people wanting to get good xp and all. And even if you don't have an elite meriting job, its not hard to put a decent party together if you have some friends and can like, talk to people.

What just kills me though is people inviting pickup Ninjas that end up being RMT-style, or Warriors that end up being Wal-Mart warriors, or AF Mnk/nin, etc... the kind of people that a decked DDpld just fucking trashes or at least keeps up with (I'll be honest- you have to be a really shit warrior to get trashed by a DDpld). I guess I kinda bring it on myself by levelling lol<job> (pld, drk, noKCrng) but w/e.

[aurik]

However, when you decide that you're only going to get 20k/hr and not invite the linkshell PLD who needs to cap his EXP... Then that's his problem.

Fixed. My $12.95, my choice to participate or not.

That said, I have no problems inviting my LS PLDs to xp, because they are actualy *gasp* good in merits.

[Necrosis]

This reminds me, why is it that when I cast March/Minuet on my melees, then go and cast double ballad, I usually end up with only the last ballad I casted on myself?

[Khamsin]

There's an Elvaan Ridill/Adaberk WAR in my LS that merited DEX over STR (it's not Takedown lol - this guy has had both of those pieces for well over 2.5 years).

What is it with ridill WARs in your LS and the inability to merit properly? DEX? Warcry? I bet they both rushed to merit 3/3 Aggressive Aim, too.

[Pamelita]

I was really never picky about the parties, although it does suck to be doing 7k/hr when you know you could be doing 10/k.

You really need to put yourself in our position. At least in my case it wasn't completely "nin onry", and I always took party invites on a first come first serve (unless it was a friend) basis. But it sucks elephant nuts to try to give ballad to PLD only to find that one of the melee is right next to the PLD after you asked for them to stand on the other side, AND THEN that same melee give give you shit for giving him ballad instead of melee songs. Once in a while it's the other way around when a PLD moves and he is hit with melee songs, and then the PLD is the one to give you attitude.

Fortunately around level 57 I stumbled upon a great PLD who helped me out by moving away from melee and not demanding ballad at all times. And I kept being fortunate in having him in several other parties subsequent. (Till the level gap got too big )

[Jeryhn]

There's an Elvaan Ridill/Adaberk WAR in my LS that merited DEX over STR (it's not Takedown lol - this guy has had both of those pieces for well over 2.5 years).

What is it with ridill WARs in your LS and the inability to merit properly? DEX? Warcry? I bet they both rushed to merit 3/3 Aggressive Aim, too.

The DEX guy is an old-time member of the linkshell who's first job was DRG, and was like the 5th or 6th NA on the server to hit 75. He's probably the only original member of the linkshell that still plays to date. He leveled WAR after that.

Takedown's just a weirdo, but he erased his Warcry merits ages ago, long before his got his Adaberk and I do believe (read: hope) before he got his Ridill.

Both isolated cases though. The rest of our Ridill/Adaberk WARs have no flaws in gear or merits, have something like 8 or 9 active Ridills, and almost 30-something total acquired by this linkshell since its conception. You could check their old record on BG Kills if its still up (Cerberus - KnightsofNi/Dynasty) and prior to the whole AV thing, the LS had pretty good standing here on BG.

[Belmoth]

Heero probably wouldn't party with you anyways Jer you're not a mithra

[Pamelita]

However, when you decide that you're only going to get 20k/hr and not invite the linkshell PLD who needs to cap his EXP... Then that's a problem.

Um...unless I'm mistaken most (if not all) bards on the thread replied they would exp with a PLD in their linkshell.

[Jeryhn]

Heero probably wouldn't party with you anyways Jer you're not a mithra

lol

[aers]

This reminds me, why is it that when I cast March/Minuet on my melees, then go and cast double ballad, I usually end up with only the last ballad I casted on myself?

March/Minuet are +2, they last an extra 20 seconds ish. You go March -> Minuet -> Ballad -> Ballad, first ballad is only 2 minutes duration due to no instrument and the minuet will be at 2 minutes 10s ish remaining and the march 2 minutes ish remaining, so it wont overwrite, second ballad will go off when the march is below 2 minutes remaining so it will overwrite it. Basically you're going pretty fast.

Yes, I know the numbers aren't that exact, but I've never had the will to test the exact durations and it's easier this way.

[Talint]

However, when you decide that you're only going to get 20k/hr and not invite the linkshell PLD who needs to cap his EXP... Then that's his problem.

Fixed. My $12.95, my choice to participate or not.

Well, I humbly disagree. I think it reflects poorly on a linkshell when members do not go out of their way one or two times to make sure other members do not fall behind on having buffers/capping EXP on their other jobs. Just because it's not your responsibility doesn't mean that you shouldn't go out of the way to not help other people, especially fellow LS mates.

They can go level another job for meriting (and should). Yeah, there's Besieged, and ENM and EXP scroll quests. It's how I've been able to keep my PLD buffered for a year, despite the fact that I've maintained a DD set.

But it still reflects poorly on the linkshell.

Conversely, I realize that some people in linkshells make it almost impossible to help and many you do not feel like helping. I don't find it necessary to melt that all into a giant, one-size fits all policy though.

That said, I have no problems inviting my LS PLDs to xp, because they are actualy *gasp* good in merits.

It's nice you know you're debating for the sake of debating.

[Aviendha]

oh to dream of a ballad +1 instrument...

not quite the gjhorn but /drool nonetheless.

That said, I have no problems inviting my LS PLDs to xp, because they are actualy *gasp* good in merits.

It's nice you know you're debating for the sake of debating.

Ditto here as well, and props to you Taliant on good sportmanship. Alot interesting sides to the stories have come out that it's been fun reading during a slow work day =P

[aurik]

However, when you decide that you're only going to get 20k/hr and not invite the linkshell PLD who needs to cap his EXP... Then that's his problem.

Fixed. My $12.95, my choice to participate or not.

Well, I humbly disagree. I think it reflects poorly on a linkshell when members do not go out of their way one or two times to make sure other members do not fall behind on having buffers/capping EXP on their other jobs. Just because it's not your responsibility doesn't mean that you shouldn't go out of the way to not help other people, especially fellow LS mates.

Thanks for putting words in my mouth. Nobody said I'm distinctly unhelpful when I'm not required to be, and almost all my LS mates are friends so I'm more prone to help them than random blind invite walmart 3k/hr leechadin.

Unfortunately, my linkshell is not an Advanced Babysitting Service (like most endgame shells are to some degree). I won't feel compelled by some "linkshell policy" to spend my valuable entertainment time enduring anesthesia-less dental surgery, carrying 5k/hr dysfunctional pld-smn-drg merit parties, or staring at darters.

If that makes you look down upon us, congratulations. I'm happy to report we're proud to count you among our non-members.

[Obev]

I'll be exping with a paladin when my bard hits 70. Oh noes! Fortunately he's not an idiot so he'll gear for damage. Haubergeons all round! It helps that he'll be competing for hate with two well-geared ninjas too. And of course with Parade Gorget, Sanction Refresh and Auto-refresh, I'll (hopefully) rarely need to put Ballad on him.

While my close friends may have some grasp of how to maximise their contribution to an experience points party, it seems that every paladin thus far has not. They're either huddling up against the other melees so I hit them with Minuets, or so far away from the mages that I can't hit them with Ballads. I'm sure there are good paladins out there somewhere, but I've yet to party with one as bard.

Of course, with a red mage and bard, paladin tank would be awesome. Minuets and Refresh at the same time I suspect make for a pretty good damage dealer/tank/healer hybrid. Sadly I've never been invited to a party like that.

[aurik]

I'll be exping with a paladin when my bard hits 70. Oh noes! Fortunately he's not an idiot so he'll gear for damage. Haubergeons all round! It helps that he'll be competing for hate with two well-geared ninjas too. And of course with Parade Gorget, Sanction Refresh and Auto-refresh, I'll (hopefully) rarely need to put Ballad on him.

While my close friends may have some grasp of how to maximise their contribution to an experience points party, it seems that every paladin thus far has not. They're either huddling up against the other melees so I hit them with Minuets, or so far away from the mages that I can't hit them with Ballads. I'm sure there are good paladins out there somewhere, but I've yet to party with one as bard.

Of course, with a red mage and bard, paladin tank would be awesome. Minuets and Refresh at the same time I suspect make for a pretty good damage dealer/tank/healer hybrid. Sadly I've never been invited to a party like that.

I staticked with a brd and pld when levelling my blm, and we did just that: all DD gear, joyeuse and hauby and sniper+1/woodsman. Brd never sang ballads on the pld except very occasionally. This was pre-wolfman but post autorefresh and the pld had a verm he'd throw on from time to time; we generally never had any mp problems at all, getting 6-8k in bibiki and such even carrying a blm instead of a ranger, eg.