Princess Bards

[Credos]

My first job to 75 was PLD, almost two years ago. Since then I've leveled the other jobs in my sig, and I haven't personally taken my PLD out for exp in over 6-7 months. When it comes down to it I use my BRD and NIN for meriting, and other jobs for events. I have a good DD set for PLD, but I'd much rather prefer to merit a job that is contributing to a party at it's maximum potential.

I do feel bad sometimes when I get an exp invite on my RDM, and there is a PLD in the party; mainly because I was a PLD long before the shield updates, auto-refresh, etc. But at the end of the day I still prefer to have a NIN tank, because the exp is easier. If it was a friend or a LS member though, I wouldn't have a problem with them.

[Viq]

I just avoid the headaches and merit solo BRD/NIN or do the occasional BRD/NIN WHM/NIN KRT duo. I'll take slower exp and more fun over more exp and being bored out of my mind.

[Rai]

After reading this thread I do wonder where you people find those pickup NIN that don't completely suck but instead require more MP than a PLD tank ever would while doing even less damage than said PLD ...

[Kuponut]

I would rather have a Dragoon or Paladin who actually tries to equip their job well than some bandwagon WAR/NIN using Empress Band, AF, offhanding Espandon.

[Omiest]

My only beef with pld is that when I'm on rdm, I refuse to be the main(only) healer. Why? Cuz they are a fucking mp sink. The last 5 or so plds I have dealt with have either used meat for food, had 0 AF, refused to use any JAs, or all of the above. And that's with me not as a main healer. Theres a perfectly good reason to put Main heal w/Pld = No Thanks in my comment. People get pissed? GFY

[Khalil]

There's an Elvaan Ridill/Adaberk WAR in my LS that merited DEX over STR (it's not Takedown lol - this guy has had both of those pieces for well over 2.5 years). I don't invite him to EXP either. And the #1 reason I don't invite him is because I know for a fact that he's ass.

I have no problem with partying with certain jobs if I know they're good and can fulfill the role that is necessary. Either way, I still don't EXP without a BRD.

Not to badmouth one of my LS members but one of the first WARs whom I asked for advice when I started this job still TPs in Rutter Sabatons. When I asked him why he TPed in them, he said he wanted the STR+2 over the "lolhaste" from Dusk Feet or Uni Boots. I have a pic of this quote somewhere. After that day, I completely mock him with leetslow gear.

[Sendra]

Before/after my static when I leveled my BRD, I would send that "listen to me or no BRD for you" vibe to my leader. My seacom would list nothing but my tnl. If/when a PLD was invited, I would find a RDM and excuse myself. I don't feel like dealing with a THF who melees in AF pants and DEX rings camping behind a PLD facing the Colibri away from the mages.

Quoting another BRD I met whilst leveling, "People like that don't deserve a BRD." Its not being a princess BRD as I see it, its saving yourself a couple of hours of frustration and low EXP.

[S N K]

You obviously did not read what I posted.

No I read it just fine. I just don't agree with what you're saying.

As an RDM, I refuse to party if there's no Bard.

You make it sound like you've never done a traditional party setup before. Burn PTs while I admit are awesome to get into, there are times you should just not worry about there being a bard or not & make due with what's out there. Not everyone has the freetime to spend an hour to two hours looking/waiting for a bard.

As I said before, I don't ask for Bards for Ballad. I can cast Refresh, and oftentimes don't even need Ballad in a merit party. It's not about the MP regen, I'm often the only one in parties that has any MP. I want a Bard for Minuet/March/Madrigal/Elegy.

So if you really want to merit and a PT is pulling in a decent amount of exp at an oh so low 9k an hour without a bard you'd rather just sit around and be bored in Whitegate?

No amount of casting Haste and Dia will make up what a Bard can do for a melee job's efficiency. Period.

Never said that it wouldn't but you shouldn't feel like that you need to demand having a bard or you're not gonna exp at all. Just kick back and try something different, or maybe an old standard setup. Have fun ya know?

Oh and..

Sounds like Thief angst to me.

Been a 75 RDM since October 2004 so it's not angst. If anything I've seen both sides of the picture so I can understand how some BRDs and some RDMs really have their heads up their asses about only doing one type of PT setup and nothing else. It's not really so much bitching as it's more of an obversation of seeing people with search comments of "Won't PT without a BRD" or "Will not accept a PLD".

Some people have their ballsacks tied on too tight...

~S N K

[Elesirdur]

I partied with quite a few bards in my trek from 1-75 PLD so I got used to orienting myself and the mob properly; hell, it's force of habit now and I do it even when there isn't a Bard in the party (and the mob doesn't use Cone/Line attacks). However, whenever there's a Thief or /THF in the party they just love to stand behind me 24/7. Honestly, if they want double ballad that's their own damn decision and if they can't get it into their heads that they need to move over to melee side of the mob then they're SOL. I can't count how many times this happened in meripo parties. In the pre-ToAU days Lufaise was the worst for this. Yes we know, piercing rocks against greater birds but if you used your brain then you might do more damage with double March instead of double Ballad.

As for pickups and LFP times: I fucking hate the reputation shitty Paladins give the entire community. Six months ago, my gear was pretty meh but now, I'm pretty happy with it. I like to think I've got decent gear sets for DD, medium and heavy tanking (AF+1 stuff, Homam, Turban, Byrnie, Boxer's, Etherial Earring, etc), respectable sets for a guy who's never been in a serious King LS. However, I hate it when I call in a replacement PLD for a XP party I'm leaving (for whatever reason) and see them run up in full Adaman and HP+ gear for XP. Especially if the pt's been decent, 8-10k/hr kind of stuff, and I know this crappy guys is going to drag them down so hard.

That's certainly why every other PLD in my LS has another 75 job to whore out merits on; BRD, NIN, WAR, and so forth. Nevertheless, I'm pretty proud of my 70+ merits into my PLD considering that's my only 75 job. Guess I like things the really hard way.

[Lordender]

i won't ever level brd because i like to play other jobs at events but if i had a way to look at how most random brds i see in pickup's they are the only job in the game who gets to feel like they on vacation on some tropical island. If you are the only brd seeking you could probably mpk your party and get away with it.

[Chips]

i won't ever level brd because i like to play other jobs at events but if i had a way to look at how most random brds i see in pickup's they are the only job in the game who gets to feel like they on vacation on some tropical island. If you are the only brd seeking you could probably mpk your party and get away with it.

BRDs could show up naked and people would still want to party with them.

[Credos]

i won't ever level brd because i like to play other jobs at events but if i had a way to look at how most random brds i see in pickup's they are the only job in the game who gets to feel like they on vacation on some tropical island. If you are the only brd seeking you could probably mpk your party and get away with it.

Funny, I seem to be more worn out after being a BRD puller in the mire for 4-5 hours than when I am a NIN in the mire for 4-5 hours. To each his own though.

[LinktheDeme]

i won't ever level brd because i like to play other jobs at events but if i had a way to look at how most random brds i see in pickup's they are the only job in the game who gets to feel like they on vacation on some tropical island. If you are the only brd seeking you could probably mpk your party and get away with it.

BRDs could show up naked and people would still want to party with them.

as long as they have cornette +1, the march +2 instrument nad , elegy +2 instrument it wouldnt really make a difference. . .

[solsovly]

i won't ever level brd because i like to play other jobs at events but if i had a way to look at how most random brds i see in pickup's they are the only job in the game who gets to feel like they on vacation on some tropical island. If you are the only brd seeking you could probably mpk your party and get away with it.

BRDs could show up naked and people would still want to party with them.

as long as they have cornette +1, the march +2 instrument nad , elegy +2 instrument it wouldnt really make a difference. . .

Probably don't even need cornette or elegy instrument either lol.

[Devek]

When I came back after a year break I didn't have any items or gil to my name.. I made good money charging 1 mil gil to let people merit with my bard.

It isn't a bad deal when you think about it, just 200k per person for decent exp.

I would of felt guilty except they were HAPPY and QUICK to pay and I had nothing to my name so..

That being said.. I reiterate my point.. pld bashing is so 2004. Things have changed a bit in the last few years.. With sanction in TaOU zones you can even get 10k+/hour with a pld(6mp/tick) and no bard at all around level 60

[Gregorio]

80% of the time the pickup parties I get into on BRD are terrible.

That said, I think I've partied with more terrible NINs who can't keep up their shadows for shit than terrible PLDs. However, I have partied with my fair share of shitty PLDs too, especially before all the nice PLD updates.

I remember leveing up though, like a bunch of people already said...PLD + THF + BRD were some of the worst parties I've ever attempted in my entire life. That's including the ones where I'd go, die 2 times in 10 minutes, then drop pt cause the WHM was on drugs. At least in those parties I didn't waste 2 hours and my sanity.

[Lordender]

how can we have a thread talking about ppl who suck at their jobs and not mention pick up RDM's -_- they make me want to stab something.

[LinktheDeme]

i won't ever level brd because i like to play other jobs at events but if i had a way to look at how most random brds i see in pickup's they are the only job in the game who gets to feel like they on vacation on some tropical island. If you are the only brd seeking you could probably mpk your party and get away with it.

BRDs could show up naked and people would still want to party with them.

as long as they have cornette +1, the march +2 instrument nad , elegy +2 instrument it wouldnt really make a difference. . .

Probably don't even need cornette or elegy instrument either lol.

without cornette its not that noticeable of a buff really

[Buzer]

Did you know: In exp parties PLD can hold hate better, allowing other DDs to go all out more often? Not to mention the fact that though they take damage they also cure some of the damage away!

Seriously, build a party knowing your tank. With a PLD you can have xxx/WAR survive.

Seconded. Especially <60 (read: pre-burns). I have managed to get hate off from some ninjas by just regular debuffs (para, blind & ele debuffs usually) on blm. And I hated when party with nin tank (even if he was good) would ask me to burst Freeze. There wasn't a single time I didn't get the hate (I did total of maybe 10 times in diff parties and gave up). And that hate was massive so that either was left with like 100 HP or died short of single time when I hadn't done almost anything & was left with about 300HP. Even decent paladin tank? np, I will debuff, throw some tier 2 freenukes even then burst Freze without getting hate or at most get hate, mob hits once, goes back to pld.

Yeah, nin might do more damage than paladin, but then require everyone else to hold off on their damage.

[phirien]

my first job to 75 was PLD. my second was RDM and i refused to party with PLD.