State of the Union Address: January 23, 2007

[Plow]

"Civilian Reserve Corps" o_O;

Tonight I ask the Congress to authorize an increase in the size of our active Army and Marine Corps by 92,000 in the next five years. A second task we can take on together is to design and establish a volunteer Civilian Reserve Corps.

I.E. another place for rich kids with good educations to dodge the draft while the silly negroes go get killed trying to earn their 30k for college.

[Anyway]

Im gonna propose the idea of "No idiot in school". Any kid who can't pass a basic skills test gets given a screwdriver and a hammer and thrown out of school. I wanted to propose this long before "No Child Left Behind" when I was in school and people were telling me their SAT scores. "God that was a dumb test, I got an 880" ... "Well. You're obviously retarded. Save yourself now."

I also love mothers who say "Well my child just isn't a test taker! It's not fair"

What the fuck is a test taker? Does it mean you have no motor skills? No memory? You see a piece of paper and POOF knowledge erased? No. Your son or daughter is stupid stupid stupid.

I dont care about the program, but I dont like the attitude you have about people who dont do well.

There are in fact people who cant do well on tests, but shine with real world experiance. I think HS is a complete joke, there are so many people who got nothing out of HS because all it is is history and math, how the hell does that apply to the real world?

I personally know 3 people that dropped out of HS, went to college and are better than the majority of people who went through school the normal way.

I did a horrible job on the SAT: 700, 800, 900 I dont remember but somewhere there. You know how many times my SAT scores were used after HS? 0, none, never. I also did a piss poor job on tests. In 3 months ill have my bachelors degree, working in my high paying job, while going back to night school to get my 2nd degree. I did horrible in HS, like a 2.3GPA, but that shit doesnt matter in the real world. Unless youre planning to be a history major, or a math major, or an eglish teacher, HS is BS.

I always lol'd in grade school and HS when teachers said that theyre preparing us for the real world. rofl, my ass. Everything I learned was on the job, and reinforced through college classes that focus on my job, and not some worthless class that teaches you how to properly place :'s, ;'s and ,'s.

I think HS should be more like college, how it used to be. You would focus on the job you wanted in life, the trade you wanted to be in so you could be the best in it. Yet that time is wasted so you can learn how to speak a foriegn language or how the 7th president died.

If schools want to prepare kids for the real world, then do it right. HS grades should be taken with a grain of salt.

I did not once say the SATs mattered in the real world. I said if you're that illiterate that you can't do some simple shit like reading a paragraph and finding the subject, then you obviously aren't ready for the real world. Certainly not a part of the real world that involves reading.

And why do you disagree when my program gives you what you want? On the job training. Here's a hammer and a screwdriver, go become a carpenter.

[Damen]

I did not once say the SATs mattered in the real world. I said if you're that illiterate that you can't do some simple shit like reading a paragraph and finding the subject, then you obviously aren't ready for the real world. Certainly not a part of the real world that involves reading.

What? Never once have I identified the subject or a dangling participle outside of English class.

I get what you're saying though, people need to know how to read write and do basic math, etc. My question is why do they teach non-engineering students calculus and trig but they don't teach them things like how to balance a check book, or teach them how to pay their bills, or file their taxes.

[Quicklet]

I get what you're saying though, people need to know how to read write and do basic math, etc. My question is why do they teach non-engineering students calculus and trig but they don't teach them things like how to balance a check book, or teach them how to pay their bills, or file their taxes.

This is for sure, financial classes should be taught at the elementary / high school level so that at least kids have some basic idea of how to actually survive on their own and save/invest for the future.

[Anyway]

I did not once say the SATs mattered in the real world. I said if you're that illiterate that you can't do some simple shit like reading a paragraph and finding the subject, then you obviously aren't ready for the real world. Certainly not a part of the real world that involves reading.

What? Never once have I identified the subject or a dangling participle outside of English class.

I get what you're saying though, people need to know how to read write and do basic math, etc. My question is why do they teach non-engineering students calculus and trig but they don't teach them things like how to balance a check book, or teach them how to pay their bills, or file their taxes.

I learned how to balance check book, pay bills, etc in a business class I took in high school.

You criticize the point I'm making then you say you get what I'm saying... okay.

[Kuya]

I learned how to balance check book, pay bills, etc in a business class I took in high school.

Not everyone has these oportunities.

[Anyway]

I learned how to balance check book, pay bills, etc in a business class I took in high school.

Not everyone has these oportunities.

public school

[Kuya]

I learned how to balance check book, pay bills, etc in a business class I took in high school.

Not everyone has these oportunities.

public school

Again, not all public schools offer business classes. And you seem to be forgeting that these classes are optional, wherever they have them. Meaning kids or teenagers wont just naturaly decide to take up the class because they understand it will help them in the future, they just don't think of these things. Before you go off how they are lesser human beings, Mister Almighty, let me remind you teenagers don't usually think of the future at all because they aren't quite developed psycologicaly as you and I, this should be obvious by now. And lets not forget that society itself doesn't really help propagate responsability and critical thinking.

In other words: gangster rap, Paris Hilton, and the like.

[Anyway]

I learned how to balance check book, pay bills, etc in a business class I took in high school.

Not everyone has these oportunities.

public school

Again, not all public schools offer business classes. And you seem to be forgeting that these classes are optional, wherever they have them. Meaning kids or teenagers wont just naturaly decide to take up the class because they understand it will help them in the future, they just don't think of these things. Before you go off how they are lesser human beings, Mister Almighty, let me remind you teenagers don't usually think of the future at all because they aren't quite developed psycologicaly as you and I, this should be obvius by now. And lets not forget that society itself doesn't really help propagate responsability and critical thinking.

In other words: gangster rap, Paris Hilton, and the like.

so how do you explain teenage me taking the class? i'm not some super genius. I just realize that "Business Concepts" and "Criminal and Business Law" sound like better classes to take than "Play Production and Stagecraft" and "Chorus" for the third time.

[Kuya]

I learned how to balance check book, pay bills, etc in a business class I took in high school.

Not everyone has these oportunities.

public school

Again, not all public schools offer business classes. And you seem to be forgeting that these classes are optional, wherever they have them. Meaning kids or teenagers wont just naturaly decide to take up the class because they understand it will help them in the future, they just don't think of these things. Before you go off how they are lesser human beings, Mister Almighty, let me remind you teenagers don't usually think of the future at all because they aren't quite developed psycologicaly as you and I, this should be obvius by now. And lets not forget that society itself doesn't really help propagate responsability and critical thinking.

In other words: gangster rap, Paris Hilton, and the like.

so how do you explain teenage me taking the class? i'm not some super genius. I just realize that "Business Concepts" and "Criminal and Business Law" sound like better classes to take than "Play Production and Stagecraft" and "Chorus" for the third time.

How old are you? You can't seriously be this infactuated with your own rarity as to proclaim that every other teenager is capable of the same thoughts as you. You have nothing else to blame for your sucess, other than your own will and the events that have surounded your life, which more than likely have led you to mature faster than the rest of your peers.

[Anyway]

I learned how to balance check book, pay bills, etc in a business class I took in high school.

Not everyone has these oportunities.

public school

Again, not all public schools offer business classes. And you seem to be forgeting that these classes are optional, wherever they have them. Meaning kids or teenagers wont just naturaly decide to take up the class because they understand it will help them in the future, they just don't think of these things. Before you go off how they are lesser human beings, Mister Almighty, let me remind you teenagers don't usually think of the future at all because they aren't quite developed psycologicaly as you and I, this should be obvius by now. And lets not forget that society itself doesn't really help propagate responsability and critical thinking.

In other words: gangster rap, Paris Hilton, and the like.

so how do you explain teenage me taking the class? i'm not some super genius. I just realize that "Business Concepts" and "Criminal and Business Law" sound like better classes to take than "Play Production and Stagecraft" and "Chorus" for the third time.

How old are you? You can't seriously be this infactuated with your own rarity as to proclaim that every other teenager is capable of the same thoughts as you. You have nothing else to blame for your sucess, other than your own will and the events that have surounded your life, which more than likely have led you to mature faster than the rest of your peers.

I was just responding to your comment that it's understandable for teenagers to do terrible in school because they don't think of their future.

I know the good majority of my graduating class weren't deadbeats who knew nothing of the outside world. When I refer to idiots in school, I'm referring to the "gangstas" and the "paris hiltons" like you are... and the stoners. Sometimes all 3 combined into 1 terrible excuse for a teenager.

Point is the oppurtunity was and is there for everyone equally. It's simply unacceptable for 40 students to pass with no problems, but then the 5 douchebags who refused to pay attention ruin it for everyone.

[Ryko]

Went to one of the best public schools in new york city.

Didn't have a business class. We had an econ class though senior year, but that wasn't entirely practical.

On the flipside, I ace tests rather easily, and my grades through my schooling would never indicate it. Some people are too indecisive, or get used to second guessing themselves regardless of how much they studied. They hang on the stuff they're unsure of and a lot of people who are perfectly well educated flop hard on tests. I slept through a majority of JHS and HS though and never flunked or even did poorly in passing any of my entry/state exams.

[Sho]

No way in hell to go about Social Security without fucking up somehow.

Bushes ratings are so fucking low, he may as well go big with his speech, and giddy up some Democrats, lol. Nothing will move his popularity.

[Kuya]

[quote="Sho"]No way in hell to go about Social Security without fucking up somehow.

Bushes ratings are so fucking low, he may as well go big with his speech, and giddy up some Democrats, lol. Nothing will move his popularity.[/quote]

As much as I hate the stereotypical liberal zinger...

Osama's capture just might raise a few polls.

[The Blackrose]

No way in hell to go about Social Security without fucking up somehow.

Bushes ratings are so fucking low, he may as well go big with his speech, and giddy up some Democrats, lol. Nothing will move his popularity.

As much as I hate the stereotypical liberal zinger...

Osama's capture just might raise a few polls.

I sometimes wonder if Vegas has a pool open on if he will be found before Bush leaves office.

[-Omni]

No way in hell to go about Social Security without fucking up somehow.

Bushes ratings are so fucking low, he may as well go big with his speech, and giddy up some Democrats, lol. Nothing will move his popularity.

As much as I hate the stereotypical liberal zinger...

Osama's capture just might raise a few polls.

I sometimes wonder if Vegas has a pool open on if he will be found before Bush leaves office.

They'll probably bust him right before Bush leaves and be all like "LOL NO SOUP 4 U DEMOCRATS KEKEKE".

Or something...

I wonder if they'd mind if a marine saw him and just shot him in the face like "Oops."

[Aerin]

Also god all the fucking clapping gets on my nerves. I wonder how long this speech would be if they didn't clap after every sentence.

Ya i hated all the clapping too. Everyone in that room, even the bush haters felt the need to clap at everything he said.

I bet even if he said, "I've decided that i don't like Iran, so we're going to bomb it." They'd all start clapping and then be like "Wha?"

Or you could say "Our troops" /clap /clap /clap
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"......troops" /clap /clap /clap

"troop" /clap /clap /clap

"true" /clap /clap

"hahaha got you that time i said true not troops! pwnd!"

[Kyreth]

http://members.aol.com/nonverbal2/eyeblink.htm

Offhand, I'd say it's cause the Speaker was being polite, but obviously not liking the President and what he was blathering about one bit.

I think this marks the point at which we officially consider Bush a lame duck president, as opposed to simply lame.

[Raineer]

Also god all the fucking clapping gets on my nerves. I wonder how long this speech would be if they didn't clap after every sentence.

Ya i hated all the clapping too. Everyone in that room, even the bush haters felt the need to clap at everything he said.

I bet even if he said, "I've decided that i don't like Iran, so we're going to bomb it." They'd all start clapping and then be like "Wha?"

Or you could say "Our troops" /clap /clap /clap
>.>
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"......troops" /clap /clap /clap

"troop" /clap /clap /clap

"true" /clap /clap

"hahaha got you that time i said true not troops! pwnd!"

Every presidential address since the beginning of time has been like that, it's annoying as fuck but what can ya do.

As far as the education issue, the system was fucked the day that 98% of people started majoring in "liberal arts". We've taken 'equal opportunity' wayyyy too far.

If by 6th grade someone says "i hate math but I really like art" STOP TEACHING THEM MATH. Likewise for someone who's interested in science but not art. It's not rocket science to know that someone will learn what they are interested in anyways, plus that's what they want to do with their life.

Another suggestion, flunk children. I'm 29, and vividly remember several kids around me in grade school being flunked...some several times. When you accelerate teaching beyond what a child can absorb and force him to stay with a group, you ruin the rest of his learning experience unless the parents are actually involved or pay Sylvan to do it for them. My son is now in grade school and my mother was a grade school teacher of 31 years, children don't flunk now...ever. It's not a humiliating thing, it's assuring they actually absorb what people are trying to teach them.

Regardless of all that and all presidential policies (democratic or republic), it's parents that suck nowadays. If my child sucks in school, yet I stay involved with him and work with him at home, he will no longer suck in school. A little encouragement and attention from the folks adds more motivation than his teacher will do in a full year of watered-down liberal arts curriculum.

[Kenai]

f by 6th grade someone says "i hate math but I really like art" STOP TEACHING THEM MATH. Likewise for someone who's interested in science but not art. It's not rocket science to know that someone will learn what they are interested in anyways, plus that's what they want to do with their life.

I 100% disagree with that right there, as much as I despise trig and the like, I am busting my ass to get through it, because I need to for the type of work I plan on doing after I get outta college, even though I won't be using it very much. This is a field that I didn't even consider until my freshmen year of college, I can't even imagine how far behind I'd be if I hadn't been taking basic algebra the last few years of high school. I'm sure that EVERYONE here has had situations plenty of times during their life where they wished that they didn't have to do something, or know something, but became a better or more knowledgable person from it. A 6th grader isn't going to know what they are going to be doing in 10 years, and a lot of times the people that have a harder time learning something, but learn it anyway, actually end up being some of the best people at it, because they had to try harder. Teaching them only a particular thing would simply be locking them into a particular field, god forbid they develop an interest in something else and haven't even learned the most basic of basic things about it, putting them years behind where they could have been with a little effort way back when. You can't just give up on something because it's hard or you don't like it (or let a kid decide to do that!...), there's too many people doing that already.

I can agree on some of your other points, but definitely not that.