Salvage Gears anyone?

[Rocl]

If you think turban is better than ace's helm you must think adaman hauberk is green.

Someone said that?

Someone said it was fail and "ugly as hell", when it is clearly stylish and awesome!


(Note; I'm talking about the appearance, sorry if that got lost in translation)

[Narbie]

If you think turban is better than ace's helm you must think adaman hauberk is green.

Someone said that?

I think he meant the Usukane Somen as being the superior option but even then I fail to see how 3STR Haste+3% > 4STR Haste+4% . Unless you NEED the AGI and evasion for WS . The Usukane Somen is definately fucking sick for MNK and NIN though :O! I'll take that 7 accuracy over a 2% loss of haste for TP when using attack food D:!

[Max™]

Plus not having the same frickin Turban as everyone else.

Hell, given all the samurai pimps around with Ace's Helms I've seen lately, some Drk's too, would be nice having the Somen.

[Sylphet]

If you think turban is better than ace's helm you must think adaman hauberk is green.

Someone said that?

I think he meant the Usukane Somen as being the superior option but even then I fail to see how 3STR Haste+3% > 4STR Haste+4% . Unless you NEED the AGI and evasion for WS . The Usukane Somen is definately fucking sick for MNK and NIN though :O! I'll take that 7 accuracy over a 2% loss of haste for TP when using attack food D:!

Ruke's ultimate goal is full usukane for SAM. Honestly it's the job that usukane shines most on (imo). The benefits of full usukane for SAM outweigh the small difference between Ace's and Usu head alone. And for DRK, well as he already said.. despite it being the better option (compared to turban) it's a horrible NM to camp and it's not even killable by a small number of people. Therefore, it's wasting shitloads of time camping, then having to get an entire alliance of people together to help for a NM with a crappy drop rate that ultimately provides at best, a moderate increase in performance.

and Rocl..
1) Yes, it was lost in translation!
2) Though I respect your opinion, you're clearly mistaken... though I'm honestly not sure which is uglier.. a green adaberk or ace's helm Put them together (preferably on a galka) and you have the santa edition robocop!

[Starr]

Ruk is gimp.

[Demosthenes11]

If you think turban is better than ace's helm you must think adaman hauberk is green.

Someone said that?

I think he meant the Usukane Somen as being the superior option but even then I fail to see how 3STR Haste+3% > 4STR Haste+4% . Unless you NEED the AGI and evasion for WS . The Usukane Somen is definately fucking sick for MNK and NIN though :O! I'll take that 7 accuracy over a 2% loss of haste for TP when using attack food D:!

Ruke's ultimate goal is full usukane for SAM. Honestly it's the job that usukane shines most on (imo). The benefits of full usukane for SAM outweigh the small difference between Ace's and Usu head alone. And for DRK, well as he already said.. despite it being the better option (compared to turban) it's a horrible NM to camp and it's not even killable by a small number of people. Therefore, it's wasting shitloads of time camping, then having to get an entire alliance of people together to help for a NM with a crappy drop rate that ultimately provides at best, a moderate increase in performance.

Perhaps we play different games? You just described all of FFXI <.<

[Starr]

But by that logic shouldn't noone camp Nidhogg for E Body cus over Haub+1 it's only a slight increase?

Perhaps we play different games? You just described all of FFXI <.<

Give this man a medal.

[Wulfgang]

But by that logic shouldn't noone camp Nidhogg for E Body cus over Haub+1 it's only a slight increase?

Not when the PH drops one of the most broken weapons in the game.

[jaryk]

But by that logic shouldn't noone camp Nidhogg for E Body cus over Haub+1 it's only a slight increase?

Perhaps we play different games? You just described all of FFXI <.<

Give this man a medal.

Or the fact that Nidd/Faf drop other items that may be beneficial to members of the LS. If you're going to make a comparison, at least make a logical one.

[RKenshin]

But by that logic shouldn't noone camp Nidhogg for E Body cus over Haub+1 it's only a slight increase?

I wouldn't really compare Adaman Hauberk vs Haubergeon +1 on the same grounds as Ace's Helm vs Walahra Turban at all. But, yes, the difference is small still in either case. No one is saying it isn't.

You forget though that Adaman Hauberk (and other items like it) isn't just all about the stats and the improvement it provides, for the longest time more people cared about the bragging rights over saying they had it (and how it looked) rather than how much of an improvement it was. And a lot of people still do. Same applies for a lot of gear like that... Which is why you see people blow their entire bank on HQ weskit (back when it was super rare), sniper rings+1, dusk+1, etc, despite being able to invest in cheap items that would be more beneficial.

Very few people do those upgrades based 100% on their desire to have the actual improvement (which is understandable since it's usually very small/unoticable), most people want it for the sake of saying "I have this"/having brag rights/self-satisfaction/etc. Then, you see some SAMs trying to lot Ridill over something like an equally dedicated WAR (with no intention of using, just lotting to have it), or WHMs with Aristo/Nobles lotting Dalma over equally dedicated RDMs, or RDMs wanting the +7 MAB earring (novio or novia, forgot) over equally dedicated BLMs, etc, all the time.

But really this shouldn't be news to anyone here. Not really a very good argument IMO, Adaman Hauberk is no exception to anything that was said... And by thinking it is you're only further supporting the fact that it's not just about the improvement, it's about having the epeen factor more than anything.

And hey ya know what, I don't care about the epeen factor of having an Ace's helm at the cost of more camping/dragging LS members out to beat that stupid thing just for me since it doesn't drop anything anyone else would need. Far unlike a Nidhogg/Fafnir camp, to end that comparison for good.

[TT]

KV isnt contested like Faf/Nidhogg either. could pretty much monopolize it with a RDM and a tank camping and then kiting it for a few minutes while your LS has to come out for barely 10-15 mins to zerg the pos down in 60 seconds. KV pops everyday(and can be pinpointed) and doesnt take up to 3 hours of staring at nothing for 18+ people. everyone in my LS that has actively pursued camping the Ace's helm has gotten it in about 2-3 weeks or less. people will go months and months trying to get ridill/e body and might not even getting the thrill of fighting fafnir/nidhogg.

2 V claws, best DRG/SAM/DRK helm, and the highest damage bullet should be more then enough motivation for 1 person to camp for a long time, and even more motivation for people to come out for 15 mins when it finally spawns.

[Sylphet]

KV isnt contested like Faf/Nidhogg either. could pretty much monopolize it with a RDM and a tank camping and then kiting it for a few minutes while your LS has to come out for barely 10-15 mins to zerg the pos down in 60 seconds. KV pops everyday(and can be pinpointed) and doesnt take up to 3 hours of staring at nothing for 18+ people. everyone in my LS that has actively pursued camping the Ace's helm has gotten it in about 2-3 weeks or less. people will go months and months trying to get ridill/e body and might not even getting the thrill of fighting fafnir/nidhogg.

2 V claws, best DRG/SAM/DRK helm, and the highest damage bullet should be more then enough motivation for 1 person to camp for a long time, and even more motivation for people to come out for 15 mins when it finally spawns.

Currently we have a ls camping it with an alliance on our server. Also our linkshell is smallish and we often don't have the people online to effectively zerg it, which means that if another shell is there for pop they'll most likely be able to mobilize faster than we will.

Also, this thread is digressing a bit. It seems rather silly to me that someone posts a picture of Salvage gear (what the thread is supposed to be about) and somehow it becomes a discussion on KV because someone choses not to camp it because they don't want to inconvenience people. It's simply a matter of personal choice, nobody's gimping their gear.

[alphacat]

^^^
Finally, someone knows how I feel XD

Why can't anyone stay on topic?

[RKenshin]

KV isnt contested like Faf/Nidhogg either. could pretty much monopolize it with a RDM and a tank camping and then kiting it for a few minutes while your LS has to come out for barely 10-15 mins to zerg the pos down in 60 seconds. KV pops everyday(and can be pinpointed) and doesnt take up to 3 hours of staring at nothing for 18+ people. everyone in my LS that has actively pursued camping the Ace's helm has gotten it in about 2-3 weeks or less. people will go months and months trying to get ridill/e body and might not even getting the thrill of fighting fafnir/nidhogg.

2 V claws, best DRG/SAM/DRK helm, and the highest damage bullet should be more then enough motivation for 1 person to camp for a long time, and even more motivation for people to come out for 15 mins when it finally spawns.

You know I could be incredibly optimistic and make any NM in this game seem as easy as that, too.

But first, need I remind you of my original post where I made it clear I spent a good 40+ hours camping it, all to only kill it twice (I actually saw it more than twice but a KV popping at 5 AM with no one on means nothing). And yes, this was over the course of more than 2-3 weeks. Call it bad luck or whatever you want but, it doesn't change the fact that not everything is as easy as it seems for everyone. And nothing can stop that kind of luck from continuing.

Me and another DRK in the LS took turns camping it at that time, and went as long as 26 hours straight (since the window started) before it popped. And no, trust me when I say it didn't pop in between time. Another DRK in my LS that has been actively camping it recently went for over 32 hours before it finally popped. The first time it popped it took over an hour to get people set up to kill it between people waiting for replacements for exp PTs, logging in, changing jobs (since this NM requires a rather specific setup), and getting there. And really unless you have an LS with 50 people on at a time with most of them just sitting in whitegate all day, that's rather normal. Not every linkshell has assloads of members ready to zerg anything and everything in the game you know... Without bringing up the fact it would have to pop in prime time, or the fact that someone working 42 hours a week wouldn't be capable of holding it in their time block for long.

Also, the last few nights KV was being camped by 15 people in a competing linkshell (as I said, a DRK in the LS has been camping it recently). Then, it sure as hell isn't limited to a 3 hour window at all. No one camps kings in my LS so saying that 'it's no different from camping a king' means nothing, because we don't waste time with that crap anymore anyway. Making it a completely moot point to begin with.

Claws also mean nothing, they're like 500k and a rare drop. No one camps KV for claws, and it's laughable to even mention it as if it means something.

But more importantly, as I said, it simply isn't worth the trouble to me. And really I don't need any other reason than that to say "No, it's not worth the time." I don't play this game to please other people, I play it for me.

EDIT: Yeah really, as Syl said... This isn't a rate my gear thread, it's about posting Salvage gear. No real reason to continue this any further.

[Garion]

wow guys... VERY bad view on KV... He realy is not that bad of an NM compared to some. TT is right, I havn't seen anyone in my ls camp it for more then 2 weeks without getting his helm. If you put time into camping it, its realy not that bad. And your comments on not having the ppl to zerg it, well, its the only way to kill that Nm. If you don't have the ppl online at that time then wait for it to fall into a better time slot. And he CAN skip his spawn window if there is no weather, so sometimes your stuck camping way past window, it happens since weather has a randomness to it in the game.

Anyway, ENOUGH!!!!

BACK TO THE SALVAGE GEAR!

[Rocl]

The other day I went to camp Dune Widow (IM THAT DESPERATE FOR MONEY LOL) and was stupid enough to go to the wrong desert. Instead I found KV and stunned him, cause that's what I do when I find unclaimed NMs.

[luciferu]

The benefits of full usukane for SAM outweigh the small difference between Ace's and Usu head alone.

Does that mean you know how much haste gives the full set?

[Starr]

But by that logic shouldn't noone camp Nidhogg for E Body cus over Haub+1 it's only a slight increase?

I wouldn't really compare Adaman Hauberk vs Haubergeon +1 on the same grounds as Ace's Helm vs Walahra Turban at all. But, yes, the difference is small still in either case. No one is saying it isn't.

You forget though that Adaman Hauberk (and other items like it) isn't just all about the stats and the improvement it provides, for the longest time more people cared about the bragging rights over saying they had it (and how it looked) rather than how much of an improvement it was. And a lot of people still do. Same applies for a lot of gear like that... Which is why you see people blow their entire bank on HQ weskit (back when it was super rare), sniper rings+1, dusk+1, etc, despite being able to invest in cheap items that would be more beneficial.

Very few people do those upgrades based 100% on their desire to have the actual improvement (which is understandable since it's usually very small/unoticable), most people want it for the sake of saying "I have this"/having brag rights/self-satisfaction/etc. Then, you see some SAMs trying to lot Ridill over something like an equally dedicated WAR (with no intention of using, just lotting to have it), or WHMs with Aristo/Nobles lotting Dalma over equally dedicated RDMs, or RDMs wanting the +7 MAB earring (novio or novia, forgot) over equally dedicated BLMs, etc, all the time.

But really this shouldn't be news to anyone here. Not really a very good argument IMO, Adaman Hauberk is no exception to anything that was said... And by thinking it is you're only further supporting the fact that it's not just about the improvement, it's about having the epeen factor more than anything.

And hey ya know what, I don't care about the epeen factor of having an Ace's helm at the cost of more camping/dragging LS members out to beat that stupid thing just for me since it doesn't drop anything anyone else would need. Far unlike a Nidhogg/Fafnir camp, to end that comparison for good.

Tell me something I don't know, I've never camped Kings because I know they're a huge time sink for minimal improvement but because you have and have practically everything you could from them for your jobs I thought you were an epeen person and therefore would have Helm. My example was ignoring Fafnir and NHs other drops, which I can't really see anything as being ground breaking over other pieces anyway, which might make it a bad example but it's still relevant.

[Julian]

Don't want to stay too offtopic, but you don't really need a full alliance to kill KV... have a rdm and nin there camping to kite it when it pops, then you can kill it pretty easy with 1(maybe 2 for backup) rdm/drks and 3 kraken drks should be enough to kill it in 30seconds... maybe a mnk or some random dd you can get in a 2nd pt, but you don't really need too much more than that.

[Sylphet]

Tell me something I don't know, I've never camped Kings because I know they're a huge time sink for minimal improvement but because you have and have practically everything you could from them for your jobs I thought you were an epeen person and therefore would have Helm. My example was ignoring Fafnir and NHs other drops, which I can't really see anything as being ground breaking over other pieces anyway, which might make it a bad example but it's still relevant.

Ugh why do I want to slap myself for dragging this out?

I realize you may not have been making a negative statement about Ruke but I just want to clarify. The reason Ruke has a lot of gear from Kings is not because of the size of his epeen. Granted, it's huge but that's not the reason he gets gear, it's the result of him getting the gear he has for being one of the hardest working, dedicated, and skilled members of our linkshell. It's because he, along with others in our linkshell camped kings EVERY GOD DAMNED DAY for a really long time.

He has never had a problem putting in the effort to get items that he has thought were worth it. Examples: Ruke and I camped Lord of Onzozo for a month (and that is a long mother fucking time considering pop conditions) to get a Kraken Club. Before that, when he wanted a ridill, he would go alone and get Fafnir time if the linkshell wasn't camping him. Speed Belt, Alkys, these are all things that he put a tremendous amount of time and personal effort to get. He did it because he felt that these items did offer him a substantial increase in performance over the alternatives (granted there are not alternatives to Kraken and Ridill; they're game breaking. ). Mind you, throughout all of these NMs that he/we camped, Ruke always put the linkshell first. He didn't blow off any other scheduled ls event in order to camp these items. When he got his D.Ring.. he wasn't even expecting it at all and was very hesitent to accept it. It's a reward, not only for his skill and effort put into making himself better but for everything he's done for the linkshell, never putting personal gain ahead of it. I have not once in over three years of knowing him seen him do anything greedy or stupid (like blowing off ls events or spending all of his gil) for the sake of epeen numbers.

Sorry for the ramble but I was getting a "hey stop being lazy and camp KV because you should have a helm" feeling from some of the posts and I wanted to take the time to explain that's 100% not the case.

and in the spirit of the thread, this was posted a while back actually but must have gotten lost when the servers were hacked.
Look Salvage gears that we've seen lots of before!
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i3...andusukane.jpg
No, I don't wear shitty af hot pants for XP or anything but they look good. (ok reality check, I never use COR ever)