Salvage Gears anyone?

[Almalexia]

so its confirmed 4F S drop some 35 drops?

no, I'm convinced it does but some think there's a chance it doesn't.

http://images.somepage.com/ffxi/icons/14972.jpg!!!

[Arthars]

haha! nice ss that is :D

seeing arra 6F pop 2 qiqirn, there might be a chance 6F have 2 madame in zhayolm and it drops all 35

[Kaylia]

those pieces above are all requiring 35s from arrapago right?

we need some zhayolm SS soon!

yea, i'm like 0/15ish on the 4th floor PM now

Is it possible 4th/5th floor drop nothing, but are used to pop the one on 6th floor? Lv15 pieces in the zone all drop from the same 2 NM that are both extremly annoying, might be the same for lv 35. Unless they both have qirin like drop rate, someone would probably have seen a piece by now.

[Lordwafik]

those pieces above are all requiring 35s from arrapago right?

we need some zhayolm SS soon!

yea, i'm like 0/15ish on the 4th floor PM now

Is it possible 4th/5th floor drop nothing, but are used to pop the one on 6th floor? Lv15 pieces in the zone all drop from the same 2 NM that are both extremly annoying, might be the same for lv 35. Unless they both have qirin like drop rate, someone would probably have seen a piece by now.

Just take Genosync's group in to fight them and they'll drop everything.

[Jhun]

Those are some nice pics Jhun, looking good in the ares/homam/haut. I just wish ares has some damned emnity so it would never leave my body.

I'm trying a new acc/Spirits within setup for HNMs to replace some enmity:
Ares's Mask
Ares's Cuirass
Homam hands/legs/feet
Hauteclaire + Shield or another weapon (perhaps a Joy)
Defending Ring + Anything
Hades+1 or/and Ethereal
Valor Cape/Trance Belt

It worked fine for Fafnir and KS99 Wyrm I've tanked them mostly 75% of the fight.

Spamming Spirits Within and Cure4 is the key to hold hate for this setup, getting +3 MP a tick from Parade/Ares's/Auto-Refresh and RDM Refresh + Ballad2 + Marchx2 + Madrigal is awesome and won't let you have MP issues.
Plus the additional +5% MP/HP from both peices and from the 3 homam peices is neat.

[divisortheory]

Is it possible 4th/5th floor drop nothing, but are used to pop the one on 6th floor? Lv15 pieces in the zone all drop from the same 2 NM that are both extremly annoying, might be the same for lv 35. Unless they both have qirin like drop rate, someone would probably have seen a piece by now.

I wouldn't expect them to have higher than a Qiqirn drop rate. And 5F S has only really been killed a few times. It took like 2 months after Salvage came out for someone to get a QQTH to drop anything. Also there's only 1 Poroggo Madame on the 6th floor, so if that were the case 6 drops would come from 1 NM, which is pretty hard to imagine. In any case, among 4F S, 5F S, and chariot, one of those has to drop something otherwise you're left with 6F dropping the entire loot pool which doesn't make sense.

[alphacat]

I find that it takes me longer to get 25 than 35. Had 35 M legs for 1.5 weeks now, and out of 6 Zhaylom bosses, we got 5 U body, 3 S feet, 2 A legs, 2 U head. No M legs or Mar feet whatsoever..... feels like S-E is having a laugh about this. Also took me 6 LBC's to finallly get my 25 M body.

[Arthars]

alot of people are already speculating that 3S 4S 5S NMs are required to pop 6F madame

just that no one happen to try it, or it is able to do 3S and 4S and not really sure if 5S will pop and ruin the whole run

probably best to find pop condition of 5S first i guess

[Kaylia]

I find that it takes me longer to get 25 than 35. Had 35 M legs for 1.5 weeks now, and out of 6 Zhaylom bosses, we got 5 U body, 3 S feet, 2 A legs, 2 U head. No M legs or Mar feet whatsoever..... feels like S-E is having a laugh about this. Also took me 6 LBC's to finallly get my 25 M body.

If a particular lv 35 was dropping every 6 runs, I would be happy.

I wouldn't expect them to have higher than a Qiqirn drop rate. And 5F S has only really been killed a few times. It took like 2 months after Salvage came out for someone to get a QQTH to drop anything. Also there's only 1 Poroggo Madame on the 6th floor, so if that were the case 6 drops would come from 1 NM, which is pretty hard to imagine. In any case, among 4F S, 5F S, and chariot, one of those has to drop something otherwise you're left with 6F dropping the entire loot pool which doesn't make sense.

Yeah, but armor would be so damn rare if they had a Qiqirn like drop rate. There is still 4 (6) easy to kill Qiqirn, compared to 2 (3) annoyingly hard to pop frogs. It's not impossible we got unlucky, but with the 5% drop rate most armors have, we should have seen a drop confirmed from NA/JP source, especially if they have multiple drop.

Arrapago has 3 pieces on a single NM after all. It wouldnt surprise me in a way if madame had more drop on it. Or maybe it's 5th floor chariot/6th floor madame that both drop 3. Gonna try zhayolm tomorrow I guess, want to test a few more thing.

[Sagacious Sundi]

Someone noted this a while ago, which applies to Jakko/3FN/4FN/4FS/5FN/5FS/6F/even BC (bottom/armor) and Socket/3FS (top/cells):

Three Madames listed before any of the 4th Floor mobs, all 3 Madames have been located (Socket, 3F South, 3F North). Appears to be that Madames with cells (Socket, 3F South) are listed at the top of the floor while Madames with armor (3F North, all the rest) are listed at the bottom.

Which leads me to believe that 4FS has a 3F/4F (since we don't know much about 6F) Qiqirn-ish drop rate (2.5%?) on 1 item, 5FS has a 2F/5F or 3F/4F QQ-ish drop rate (2.5 or 5%?) on 1 item, the same as 5FS but with 2 items for 5FN, and 6F has a 6F Qiqirn-ish drop rate on 1 item. Since 6F Qiqirn is speculated to be involved with ramparts, something tells me the Poroggo will have something to do with chariots...

[Wizerd]

haha! nice ss that is :D

seeing arra 6F pop 2 qiqirn, there might be a chance 6F have 2 madame in zhayolm and it drops all 35

Not possible, as there is only 1 DAT entry for Poroggo Madame on 6F.

[alphacat]

Is there any group out there that always enters at a certain time and notice a trend in drop? I ask this because we got another double 25 usu body from Battleclad Chariot again. Thing is, out of 7 boss runs, I've gotten 7 usu body to drop. I always enter at the same time, so I'm wondering if any other group has observed something similar, or are we just that unlucky...

[Wizerd]

Is there any group out there that always enters at a certain time and notice a trend in drop? I ask this because we got another double 25 usu body from Battleclad Chariot again. Thing is, out of 7 boss runs, I've gotten 7 usu body to drop. I always enter at the same time, so I'm wondering if any other group has observed something similar, or are we just that unlucky...

If you enter at the same time every day, it will be 1 Vana'diel day ahead each day from the last, so it's not likely this has any baring on drops. Unless you happen to mean Earth time - which is unlikely, even if SE does try to favour JPs lol.

[alphacat]

Ya, I enter at the same earth time everyday. I know it's unlikely that drops are time based, but it wouldn't surprise me if time is somehow factored into the equation to caculate loot. It's like how a lot of times when one af drops, there is a high likelihood that another piece of the same thing will drop again in the same run. I think it is likely that certain time of the day will yield higher drop rate on certain pieces.

Then of course, i might be over thinking it...

[Uzor]

We enter the same time every time.

Sundays 4 PM EST
Tuesday 4PM EST
Friday 4PM EST
Saturday 2 PM EST and 4 PM EST

We always, ALWAYS get Skadi body and/or head every time we kill Silver Sea boss. Except for one time on a Friday when we got Morrigan + Ares hands. Skadi are now free lotted to people without any of those jobs lvled. We have never, ever, got a single Usukane 25 piece, which is the last one we need from the Silver Sea boss...

[Arthars]

its all just luck

patience is a virtue

[Francisco II]

patience is a virtue

Going afk at the ebon panels, be back later.

Probably 100% coincidence, but our last two Deimos's Cuirass drops have both dropped exactly at 1:56 am EST.

[alphacat]

Doesn't sound much like luck, since the ppl who have said they've entered at approximately the same time got the same drops. I've observed the same phenomonom during Bhaflau runs were we got 5 M heads out of 5 runs. I highly suspect that time has something to do with drops. The most interesting thing out of my Zhaylom runs is that out of 7 runs, 4 runs share the exact same drop pool, 2 with 2x Usukane body, 2 with Usu body and Skadi head.

I'm gonna delay the run today by 30min and see if we get usukane again...

[Emo]

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y15...upgrade456.jpg

Upgrades 4, 5 and 6 for us.

[Starr]

I've always thought time effected drops, not just for Salvage.