Apoc Nigh Earrings

[Krandor]

Unless someone proves to me that Conserve MP actually increases proc and not the amount of MP saved

Um, that's exactly what CMP+X does, increases the chance of CMP triggering by X%.

are you sure? or does it increase the number of mp conserved...

You know what I mean?

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Conserve_MP

[aurik]

Unless someone proves to me that Conserve MP actually increases proc and not the amount of MP saved

Um, that's exactly what CMP+X does, increases the chance of CMP triggering by X%.

are you sure? or does it increase the number of mp conserved...

You know what I mean?

Yes, I know what you mean, and I'm telling you, it increases the trigger frequency.

[Kross]

Unless someone proves to me that Conserve MP actually increases proc and not the amount of MP saved

Um, that's exactly what CMP+X does, increases the chance of CMP triggering by X%.

are you sure? or does it increase the number of mp conserved...

You know what I mean?

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Conserve_MP

Good info but how reliable is it? All i'm seeing is approx this , approx that...

I need to be convinced visually.

[aurik]

Then go run tests yourself, if you don't trust the tests that other people have run to conclusively show the effect of CMP.

[Evelyn]

the only way to test is to cast the same spell over and over 500+ times, with /blm, and with and without magnetic earring.

and yes, this has been tested before with other +Conserve MP items, and it does the *exact same thing other people have posted*.

[Ravenlokk]

Magnetic is the best hands down.... Noob blms focus on one-nuke damage, good blms focus on sustained DPS, and being useful. Magnetic is without a doubt more useful than any of the other earrings. The only reason to choose another, is if you play 1 job only, and have no plans to level any other job. Magnetic is the Suppanomimi. Choose anything else, and you WILL regret it eventually.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

So opinions for BLU and DRK, Magnetic or Ethereal.

[Suiram]

These threads really ought to be titled, "What earring did you get, and how stupid do you think anyone else is for getting a different one?"

[Krandor]

Magnetic is the best hands down.... Noob blms focus on one-nuke damage, good blms focus on sustained DPS, and being useful. Magnetic is without a doubt more useful than any of the other earrings. The only reason to choose another, is if you play 1 job only, and have no plans to level any other job. Magnetic is the Suppanomimi. Choose anything else, and you WILL regret it eventually.

Fuck that Ethereal 4 life

If you don't have nor ever plan to PLD or maybe NIN/DRK, I would agree that Magnetic is the best. But otherwise, Ethereal is an absolutely broken piece of gear and you're basically a gimp without it in this day and age if you're a PLD

[freja]

I picked ethereal for +5 attack +5 evasion.

[Eraphiel]

I got Magnetic because MB'ing isn't exactly the largest part of my repetoire, 2mnd or accuracy can be bought on the AH, and the whole point of rdm soloing is to mitigate dmg altogether. Conserve mp when I'm in a non-/blm setup/situation on the other hand, is quite nice.

Ironically, I regret picking Suppanomimi after having gotten my DRK to 75, wishing to hell I'd picked Abyssal instead .__.
I may pick up WAR from 40 though...but more as something to do .__.

[Elesirdur]

Magnetic is the best hands down.... Noob blms focus on one-nuke damage, good blms focus on sustained DPS, and being useful. Magnetic is without a doubt more useful than any of the other earrings. The only reason to choose another, is if you play 1 job only, and have no plans to level any other job. Magnetic is the Suppanomimi. Choose anything else, and you WILL regret it eventually.

Fuck that Ethereal 4 life

If you don't have nor ever plan to PLD or maybe NIN/DRK, I would agree that Magnetic is the best. But otherwise, Ethereal is an absolutely broken piece of gear and you're basically a gimp without it in this day and age if you're a PLD

qft - in XP or other /WAR situations I actually get pissed if I take sub 30 or 60 damage consistently so my Etherial doesn't proc or only gives 1MP.

[Kerberoz]

Magnetic is the best hands down.... Noob blms focus on one-nuke damage, good blms focus on sustained DPS, and being useful. Magnetic is without a doubt more useful than any of the other earrings. The only reason to choose another, is if you play 1 job only, and have no plans to level any other job. Magnetic is the Suppanomimi. Choose anything else, and you WILL regret it eventually.

Forgetting Novio exists? Or would you actually take off Moldavite to nuke in lolMagnetic? Do you use AF2 boots too?

"Conserve MP+" is useless. It's never going to make you do more damage over time. It's been tested over and over and shown to have a pathetic effect on actual MP saved. It's "trendy" to use and it's not effective in any real environment.

For other jobs, sure. The MP is nice, if nothing else. The +hMP is irrelevant though because there are other earrings with it.

P.S. How's that WHM sub going Kerberoz?

Level 1 0/500 exp, where it's always been and always will be. Your point?

[Toshiko]

the vast majority of blm dont have a novio. If i had a novio when i chose my apoc nigh earring, i personally still would've taken magnetic for rdm and my upcoming whm. But for the OP im sure he would take ethreal if he had a novio and this wouldnt even have been posted.

[Koyangi]

Magnetic is the best hands down.... Noob blms focus on one-nuke damage, good blms focus on sustained DPS, and being useful. Magnetic is without a doubt more useful than any of the other earrings. The only reason to choose another, is if you play 1 job only, and have no plans to level any other job. Magnetic is the Suppanomimi. Choose anything else, and you WILL regret it eventually.

Forgetting Novio exists? Or would you actually take off Moldavite to nuke in lolMagnetic?

Novio+Moldy > Static+Moldy, not only that you get +12 mab on ANY nuke, and you'd lose lol 1-2(?)mab on a MB with novio+static vs novio+moldy... in other words, Novio replaces Static for ALL nukes, not just a MB.

[Kerberoz]

Magnetic is the best hands down.... Noob blms focus on one-nuke damage, good blms focus on sustained DPS, and being useful. Magnetic is without a doubt more useful than any of the other earrings. The only reason to choose another, is if you play 1 job only, and have no plans to level any other job. Magnetic is the Suppanomimi. Choose anything else, and you WILL regret it eventually.

Forgetting Novio exists? Or would you actually take off Moldavite to nuke in lolMagnetic?

Novio+Moldy > Static+Moldy, not only that you get +12 mab on ANY nuke, and you'd lose lol 1-2(?)mab on a MB with novio+static vs novio+moldy... in other words, Novio replaces Static for ALL nukes, not just a MB.

What? Novio+Molda for nukes, Novio+Static for MB... I don't see where you'd fit Magnetic in, unless you advocate only using it for buffs and saving 1 MP.

[Koyangi]

Magnetic is the best hands down.... Noob blms focus on one-nuke damage, good blms focus on sustained DPS, and being useful. Magnetic is without a doubt more useful than any of the other earrings. The only reason to choose another, is if you play 1 job only, and have no plans to level any other job. Magnetic is the Suppanomimi. Choose anything else, and you WILL regret it eventually.

Forgetting Novio exists? Or would you actually take off Moldavite to nuke in lolMagnetic?

Novio+Moldy > Static+Moldy, not only that you get +12 mab on ANY nuke, and you'd lose lol 1-2(?)mab on a MB with novio+static vs novio+moldy... in other words, Novio replaces Static for ALL nukes, not just a MB.

What? Novio+Molda for nukes, Novio+Static for MB... I don't see where you'd fit Magnetic in, unless you advocate only using it for buffs and saving 1 MP.

arguing that the choice for static becomes mute, and magnetic can benefit many other jobs/ and situational on blm if you own a novio even.

[Suiram]

Novio+Moldy > Static+Moldy, not only that you get +12 mab on ANY nuke, and you'd lose lol 1-2(?)mab on a MB with novio+static vs novio+moldy... in other words, Novio replaces Static for ALL nukes, not just a MB.

Actually, even if the only other MAB a BLM has is an NQ weskit, Static + Moldavite would slightly out-damage Novio + Moldavite on MB, but any BLM with all 3 would use Novio + Static anyway. Both static and magnetic earrings are good, nobody is a noob for getting one instead of the other, only for being unable to see why someone else might want a different one.

[Ravenlokk]

I use magnetic on PLD but not on BLM lol. Cure4 with conserve mp = your ethereal for the entire fight. Ethereal does own for DRG/WHM though. Thats FACT.

BLM Novio/Moldavite.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

Ironically, I regret picking Suppanomimi after having gotten my DRK to 75, wishing to hell I'd picked Abyssal instead .__.

That made me smile

Oh and I'm thinking Magnetic for BLU and DRK, simply because I want to try Magnetic+Seveneyes (offhand, eventually)+Trait, BLU with that much conserve MP could be amazing. God its a hard decision though...