Boys cook puppy.

[Gregorio]

Don't know if this is correct or not, but I believe I read somewhere that 90% of children who torture small animals etc, even after jail time and or treatment still grow up to commit violent crimes & even murder as an adult.

You have the stat kinda backwards I believe.

The vast majority of serial killers, murderers, career criminals and the like have in the past tortured animals. So while a murderer probably has a history of abusing animals, I wouldn't think that 90% of animal torturers go on to be violent criminals.

Anyway, kids (or adults) who torture defenseless animals are just plain sick. It really takes a fucked up mind to enjoy seeing someone or something in genuine pain.

[Zylo]

God damn it that's some fucked up shit =(. The poor puppy...

Reminds me of this crazy motherfucker that used to live in my neighborhood, he bashed my neighbor's dog's head in with a fucking rock. Needless to say, when I saw him coming into my yard a week later, I broke his fucking jaw and told him that if he ever touched my dog, I'd do much worse. So many fucked up people in this world, it's sad ;\.

[Ushallbeasgods]

If the dog was dead it wouldn't be so bad. The difference comes in the value society places in animals such as dogs vs say cows. Cows we see as plentiful and a food source. Dogs we view as unique and well not a food source.

Either way the act was sadastic. I always wonder in these cases where the parents are? If your going to bring a child into this world at least have the responsiblity to be there for them.

[thestalkmore]

If the dog was dead it wouldn't be so bad. The difference comes in the value society places in animals such as dogs vs say cows. Cows we see as plentiful and a food source. Dogs we view as unique and well not a food source.

Either way the act was sadastic. I always wonder in these cases where the parents are? If your going to bring a child into this world at least have the responsiblity to be there for them.

Your signature is really really really funny

[Bethany]

If the dog was dead it wouldn't be so bad. The difference comes in the value society places in animals such as dogs vs say cows. Cows we see as plentiful and a food source. Dogs we view as unique and well not a food source.

Either way the act was sadastic. I always wonder in these cases where the parents are? If your going to bring a child into this world at least have the responsiblity to be there for them.

I don't care what the animal is, be it a cow or chicken that is raised for food or a dog or cat that is a commonly accepted domestic pet; torturing it to death is just plain wrong. Those young men are both in their late teens and were well aware of their actions so that makes it all the more sickening.

Ushallbeasgods, some times parent's despite all their good intentions & parenting skills can't be held responsible for their offspring. Some people are just born evil as fuck. Nature > nurture.

[Starfire]

omg
that is seriously fucking FUCKED up!
If I lived by them, they would seriously, be, dead.
How can people like those fucks even be around?
It's disgusting.

I hope they die and are ass raped in prison.

[Ushallbeasgods]

I don't care what the animal is, be it a cow or chicken that is raised for food or a dog or cat that is a commonly accepted domestic pet; torturing it to death is just plain wrong. Those young men are both in their late teens and were well aware of their actions so that makes it all the more sickening.

Ushallbeasgods, some times parent's despite all their good intentions & parenting skills can't be held responsible for their offspring. Some people are just born evil as fuck. Nature > nurture.

Personally I'm a nurture kind of guy. I think the parents can alter a child to an extent large enough to prevent shit like this from happening. We'll never agree on this point but we can agree to disagree.

I'm not advocating any sort of torture on animals. If the animal is for human consumption the killing should be as quick and painless as possible. However, we know that a lot of slaughter houses are killing animals in ways that are almost torture. I'm not saying what was done in this case is justifiable but the media coverage is more extensive because of the animal involved.

[Kuya]

Ushallbeasgods, some times parent's despite all their good intentions & parenting skills can't be held responsible for their offspring. Some people are just born evil as fuck. Nature > nurture.

I really, really doubt this.

[BRP]

I don't really always blame the parent, the entire environment could have just as much of an effect as parents do.

[Daahan]

I don't really always blame the parent, the entire environment could have just as much of an effect as parents do.

It's the parent's responsibility to make sure their kids don't absorb their environment in the wrong way.

Every parent should spank/beat their kids. Bruising them and making them bleed is going way too far, but slaps in the face, belt on the ass, etc. must be done to discipline a kid.

This discussion has been brought about plenty of times on the forums. Until a kid is indepedent and able to take care of himself, a large part of the blame goes to the parents, no matter how old the kid is.

[Sorrower]

maybe this is justification for the holocaust where countless jews were...oh wait a minute....

[Bwelch]

Teaching a child a good vocabulary so as to increase his or her ability to express their self almost (in most situations) inhibits the need to discipline a child. Teaching him or her the proper life skills regarding how to act in various situations will benefit the child too. Sadly this isn't priority for most parent(s) as we can see the outcomes in the article by the OP. Patience and communication is vital.

Your child is as good as the tools you provide.

[Intense]

This is so jacked, dogs are so cool..

[Devek]

I don't really always blame the parent, the entire environment could have just as much of an effect as parents do.

It's the parent's responsibility to make sure their kids don't absorb their environment in the wrong way.

Every parent should spank/beat their kids. Bruising them and making them bleed is going way too far, but slaps in the face, belt on the ass, etc. must be done to discipline a kid.

This discussion has been brought about plenty of times on the forums. Until a kid is indepedent and able to take care of himself, a large part of the blame goes to the parents, no matter how old the kid is.

If a kid has cancer you don't blame the parent..

Nature vs nurture blah blah blah..

We have no idea what the kids major malfunction here was but quite a bit of behavior like this is simply mental illness. The only thing a parent could do is have them locked up in mental institutions until they turn 18...

Not saying there are not bad parents out there because there are.. but there shouldn't be a knee jerk reaction to blame the parents for having a sick child.

[Daahan]

I don't really always blame the parent, the entire environment could have just as much of an effect as parents do.

It's the parent's responsibility to make sure their kids don't absorb their environment in the wrong way.

Every parent should spank/beat their kids. Bruising them and making them bleed is going way too far, but slaps in the face, belt on the ass, etc. must be done to discipline a kid.

This discussion has been brought about plenty of times on the forums. Until a kid is indepedent and able to take care of himself, a large part of the blame goes to the parents, no matter how old the kid is.

If a kid has cancer you don't blame the parent..

Nature vs nurture blah blah blah..

We have no idea what the kids major malfunction here was but quite a bit of behavior like this is simply mental illness. The only thing a parent could do is have them locked up in mental institutions until they turn 18...

Not saying there are not bad parents out there because there are.. but there shouldn't be a knee jerk reaction to blame the parents for having a sick child.

Not trying to be an asshole, but did you think before you wrote that?

First, there is no mention that the kids were mentally ill. If they were, it would have mentioned it in the link. Second, even if BOTH kids happened to have a mental condition, why the hell weren't the PARENTS keeping both eyes on their mentally handicapped children?

In both cases, it's the parents fault. Lots of blame lies on them if they are mentally sane, but even more still lies on the parents for letting their kids go out of control.

I hate it when people play the "oh they probably had some kind of mental condition because they did something really stupid." It's hard to believe, but people do really fucking messed up things without having some kind of mental condition.

[Devek]

The article barely has 80 words in it including the summary..

Little to no information..

Lots of jumping to conclusions here though..

[Daahan]

That's why added that even if they did have mental problems there parents still should have been watching them. No matter which way you look at it or try to argue it, the parents take a huge part of the blame.

[BRP]

If a kid gets gang raped at school, I don't think its fair to blame the parents.

[Intense]

If a kid gets gang raped at school, I don't think its fair to blame the parents.

Why not? Parents are supposed to teach their children values. The court is able to waive parental rights if they see that mom and dad are not doing their job.

Additionally, the older brother is 19, meaning he is not under the responsibility of his parents, but the 17 year old is. He could be put in placement (typically a YA) up until the age of 25.

[-Omni]

If a kid gets gang raped at school, I don't think its fair to blame the parents.

Why not? Parents are supposed to teach their children values. The court is able to waive parental rights if they see that mom and dad are not doing their job.

BECAUSE GETTING GANG RAPED ISN'T A RESULT OF BAD VALUES IT'S A RESULT OF GETTING GANG RAPED.

I'm just going to assume you misread the original post...