SE's policy on killing charmed players.

[Shuemue]

Pretty sure a bunch of people from Asura have been jailed for killing charmed RMT at Tiamat.

[Coldone]

A better question would be:

Why are you fighting Xolotl in a manner that would get you charmed in the first place?

Sometimes you have to work with what you have. And our blue who usually keeps him stun locked was being resisted more than usual.

[Janice]

Funny thing is, a friend of mine was jailed and received a warning for "MPK'g an NPC". Namely, the CN's escort NPC. So, I don't understand how even if a charmed player is then considered an NPC, but killing an NPC is not ok...meh you get the jist. ...but it is SE, so the normal rules of right and wrong do not apply...

Olavia is hot and your friends are not?

[Caudle]

we camp xol with blm mules that are normally for tiamat just to kill whoever gets charmed.... the reactions from people who get bombed out of nowhere are priceless

[Ushallbeasgods]

Depending on the circumstances its self defense. If someone is charmed they have the potential to kill me so I'm going to defend myself.

If you don't prepare for assholes who may use the loophole then its your own fault for dieing.

[Kross]

contact the dev team. I think it should be addressed because it is full of holes.

Try it, you'll be surprised that they'll fix it.

[Tekki]

contact the dev team. I think it should be addressed because it is full of holes.

Try it, you'll be surprised that they'll fix it.

Please, everyone who is concerned do so. I asked to talk to a sGM about this issue after our last Tiamat. We had charmed add team players being killed. He said he was familiar with the situation and knows how frustrating it it. He agrees it shouldn't be allowed but the GM policy in place didn't allow them to do anything about it since the game mechanics allows for such situations. He urged me to leave feedback about the issue. Its definitely grief tactics, its certainly PKing, but the game mechanics and the GM policies on charmed players just doesn't match up justly in these situations.

[Izzy]

contact the dev team. I think it should be addressed because it is full of holes.

Try it, you'll be surprised that they'll fix it.

Please, everyone who is concerned do so. I asked to talk to a sGM about this issue after our last Tiamat. We had charmed add team players being killed. He said he was familiar with the situation and knows how frustrating it it. He agrees it shouldn't be allowed but the GM policy in place didn't allow them to do anything about it since the game mechanics allows for such situations. He urged me to leave feedback about the issue. Its definitely grief tactics, its certainly PKing, but the game mechanics and the GM policies on charmed players just doesn't match up justly in these situations.

see that pisses me off so much cause my friends were jailed for doing the exact same thing...and suspended...why cant they be consistent Q_Q

[Ushallbeasgods]

Because as long as your paying that monthly fee, SE has no other obligation to you besides providing servers for you to play on?

[Vobent]

Killing charmed RMT at enke...take that away from me and I will kill you.

Too bad so sad, try again next xolotl

[Dalek]

The benefit of being able to kill RMT far outweighs the fact that they can kill you too since most legit players aren't huge douchebags who will kill you for no reason. Bring more people next time, or kill them back. The MPK patch made "FFXI easymode" since it's just about impossible to fuck with the RMT now.

Aside from that... yeah, SE needs to get their shit together if theyre suspending people for it and taking no action against others.

[JoOeetheplatypuS]

1. NPCs do not suffer XP loss when killed.

HOW THE HELL DO WE KNOW? This one time I killed a robber crab and when it came back from its HP it was a level lower!

3. A NPC can be claimed so that outside people cannot act on the claimed NPC, this is not true of a charmed player.

Not if its CFH'd!

No really, thanks for the laughs man

[Starr]

Minniedomz is an RMT acomplice whose used RMT gil to buy a dalm -1.

Hmm what good's a dalm-1 when you can't get the Abj? Or your server have one of those LS that lets any old trash in too?

[Alleya]

Regardless of wheather it's "game mechanics", killing a charmed player is obviously griefing and there's no legitimate reason to do it. It doesn't matter if it's game mechanics if the game mechanics are stupid (someone brought up mob trains.)

My beef with the whole thing is, if we can't charm beastmen becuase they're higher lifeforms and capable of reason, how come we can be charmed? It doesn't even make sense in the context of the game world, let alone the practical world.

[Linsivi]

Minniedomz is an RMT acomplice whose used RMT gil to buy a dalm -1.

Hmm what good's a dalm-1 when you can't get the Abj? Or your server have one of those LS that lets any old trash in too?

He got the abj.. camped one day and got it. Then got a lucky synth from a JP player. He's still a piece of shit that should die in a fire.

[Kattice]

Regardless of wheather it's "game mechanics", killing a charmed player is obviously griefing and there's no legitimate reason to do it. It doesn't matter if it's game mechanics if the game mechanics are stupid (someone brought up mob trains.)

My beef with the whole thing is, if we can't charm beastmen becuase they're higher lifeforms and capable of reason, how come we can be charmed? It doesn't even make sense in the context of the game world, let alone the practical world.

Beastmen don't want what you have, but you want what they have? >.>;

I dunno. All I know is that it is FUNNY charming and Familaring Knight Crabs at KA without Release as a 34 BST lol!

[Sagacious Sundi]

My beef with the whole thing is, if we can't charm beastmen becuase they're higher lifeforms and capable of reason, how come we can be charmed? It doesn't even make sense in the context of the game world, let alone the practical world.

It's probably like how a black man making fun of a white man is considered funny, but a white man making fun of a black man is considered racist.

Sorry, I had to. >_>

[Tricen]

Pallas... Good times..

[Janlona]

That is funny someone created this thread, since it was only yesterday when Legacy, the HNMLS on Titan notorious for stealing everyone's NMs had their BLM Kormic cast an -aga 3 on our party when we were charmed by Xolotl, after which they stole our NM to get a pair of bandomusha kote (which another member in our party needed).

Why must people have to put up with so much horse shit? SE indeed does fail at every level. I only play the game because the game itself is designed brilliantly, just the management is beyond terrible (plus the whole claiming system is terribly flawed). I agree with what many have posted on this thread...the dev teamneeds to do something about this. The GMs may do jack, but the dev team has pulled off some great things in the past.

[miokomioko]

SE indeed does fail at every level. I only play the game because the game itself is designed brilliantly