SE's policy on killing charmed players.

[aurik]

I don't know about you guys, but if I'm getting raped by an army of charmed PCs, I'm at very least going to Sleepga.

-ga magic can't hit multiple charmed players.
As far as I know, other AoE things can, like Bloodpacts or Weaponskills.

Yea we had a SMN fenrir-2hr our melee group last dynamis-bcd, it was funny.

[Jeryhn]

I don't know about you guys, but if I'm getting raped by an army of charmed PCs, I'm at very least going to Sleepga.

-ga magic can't hit multiple charmed players.
As far as I know, other AoE things can, like Bloodpacts or Weaponskills.

Yea we had a SMN fenrir-2hr our melee group last dynamis-bcd, it was funny.

A few SMN in my LS are known for doing that. I prefer a more subtle approach: I simply get out Garuda and Wind Blade them and let the mindfuck toy with their heads as they wonder how I just killed them with a single-target attack while they have shadows up.

Works excellently at Tiamat too, if someone tried to run on your LS with Xolotl without hitting the NM itself.

[Eander]

My point wasn't the spell of choice, but that I'm going do defend myself. Whuteves!

[Jeryhn]

Our point was you won't be "defending" yourself, you'd sleep one guy, and then continue to get raped by an army of charmed PCs.

If you're going to try to defend yourself, you might as well nuke the motherfuckers into the ground.

[Eander]

Which I understand just fine. I've no objection to melting the faces of the poor saps if they get charmed.

I actually get a little depressed if we don't get a Charmga from Orc NMs in Dyna runs. D:

[Mifaco]

I don't know about you guys, but if I'm getting raped by an army of charmed PCs, I'm at very least going to Sleepga.

-ga magic can't hit multiple charmed players.
As far as I know, other AoE things can, like Bloodpacts or Weaponskills.

IN BESIEGED THEY CAN LOL
http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/2181/blizzagamv9.png

[othellojr]

That was the only joy I had left when it comes to Besieged, and I noticed that I was not the only Blm that waited for charm, then you see them cast, I had to stop after my second warning for killing charmed people...but damn that was fun, think that I will get banned so I can finally quit doing this some more.

[Nighteagle]

I've killed Xolotl with 4 people before, 75thf (me, i kited the 2 skeletons and zoned to boneyard) then a 75nin, a 75rdm and a 75smn.

NIN kited with e-staff and all phys dmg- and enmity. RDM used DoT, haste, enfeebles (the normal shit) and the SMN used Titan's lvl 70 BP (cant think of name off the bat). Took us like 50minutes, And I almost died like 4 times kiting and having sleepga or something hit me from the skeletons. I'm just pointing out that its an easy fight if you kite.

Only thing thats bad about Xolotl is charm, and of course, his Charmga, which is always used around 30%. Around 30%, if there are people there, (and they were mpking) we would have the NIN run over @ 30% and just stand next to them so they got charmed. Then we would have the RDM use sleepga right when they got charmed, then dia our NIN. Then woohoo, Astral Flow ftw. Say goodbye to all those douche bags who were mpking. The charm dont even last but maybe 30-45 seconds tops. And since our NIN kites with e-staff, he wont even hit our mages when he is charmed. RDM just gravities Xolotl and kites. (unless we had a 2nd NIN).

There's tons of different ways to fight Xolotl, just remember charmga @ 30%-33% (always) and if you have a BLM, just thundaga3. Thatll teach them not to mpk again. And if they do, just repeat. If they split up, go to their mages and take the mages out, or take out the melee/tanks. There mages will get raped with 1 AoE WS called Final Retribution that does like 900dmg AoE (if no shadows).

And if anyone cares about my record, Im like 10/21 on Hats, 3/21 on kote, and 1/21 on P Harpe. 3 days after P harpe dropped for us, another 1 dropped for another Party there.

[Linsivi]

I've killed Xol multiple times without it charming the entire fight, its deffinately not a garenteed occurence.

MNK RDM BRD can trio in about 20 minutes, sucks with no TH tho.

RDM can dot solo if you seperate the pets, grav silence bind kite.

There's no reason you should have to bring an alliance for this mob just because some faggots think its cute to take advantage of a flawed game mechanic. If you want pvp, WoW is right around the corner, gtfo of this game.

[Awoir]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c274/Awoir/Thund3.jpg

Got the drop tho (trio camping Pallas)

[epigram]

March Update:

Due to issues with players charmed by monsters being killed strictly to grieve. We have decided to remove the ability Charm from the game.

New Beastmaster Update:

GrizzlyGrub: A new worm familiar!

CocoCobiri: A new Cobiri Familiar (Note: as in charmed Cobiri this pet cannot reflect spells)

Beast Healer Trait has been upgraded to 2hp/tic per upgrade!

[Kyreth]

That was the only joy I had left when it comes to Besieged, and I noticed that I was not the only Blm that waited for charm, then you see them cast, I had to stop after my second warning for killing charmed people...but damn that was fun, think that I will get banned so I can finally quit doing this some more.

The trick is in tossing a Sleepga first, at which point you can say you nuked the remaining charmed PC's in self defense.

"Check my log, Mr. GM. I tried to not kill em first, but if it's them or me..."

Bonus: Have a buddy help out by randomly Diagaing the horde first. Not your fault. Really.

Seriously though, charm status should render you immune to exp loss. That'd end half the whining right there.

[Nighteagle]

March Update:

Due to issues with players charmed by monsters being killed strictly to grieve. We have decided to remove the ability Charm from the game.

If they actually remove Charm from the game, JoL, Xolotl, AV (lol), any monster with charm will have there overall strength reduced by a lot. Not to mention, whether some people hate it when people mpk with charm or w/e... Charm is a very fun ability to play with on fights. I for 1 liked fighting xolotl and getting charmed.

If they removed charm, Orc NMs would be a joke in dynamis too. w/o charmga, Orcs have nothing (not that charmga gives them a lot anyways).

[Septimus]

March Update:

Due to issues with players charmed by monsters being killed strictly to grieve. We have decided to remove the ability Charm from the game.

If they actually remove Charm from the game, JoL, Xolotl, AV (lol), any monster with charm will have there overall strength reduced by a lot. Not to mention, whether some people hate it when people mpk with charm or w/e... Charm is a very fun ability to play with on fights. I for 1 liked fighting xolotl and getting charmed.

If they removed charm, Orc NMs would be a joke in dynamis too. w/o charmga, Orcs have nothing (not that charmga gives them a lot anyways).

But you see, they would remove the ability from just the players, not the monsters. You have to look at it from the "corrupted wish" perspective.

[Nighteagle]

If they removed it from players, BST would become obsolete, and it wouldn't solve the problem when monsters use it and people MPK

[Khamsin]

If they removed it from players, BST would become obsolete, and it wouldn't solve the problem when monsters use it and people MPK

Cue Wafik's parrot.

[klvino]

I don't know about you guys, but if I'm getting raped by an army of charmed PCs, I'm at very least going to Sleepga.

-ga magic can't hit multiple charmed players.
As far as I know, other AoE things can, like Bloodpacts or Weaponskills.

IN BESIEGED THEY CAN LOL

It may also be possible in assaults. Lamia 13, multiple PCs were charmed, Horde Lullaby held them. Although the Charm mechanics of Lamia 13 don't speak for the rest of the game. (Dispelling Charm status being one example)