30 Sec Baha v2 (didnt see this in the other thread)

[terraflarex]

Internet groupies are hardcore.

-TFx

[Beckwin]

An Apathy v. BtL pissing contest would be silly; both shells have done pretty much everything in the game, have multiple relics, farm baha v2, etc. Although I agree that just because someone is well-known as knowledgeable doesn't make them right about everything, 100% of the time. I think the whole BW thing was just miscommunication though.

Apathy guys, no need to get defensive here. Everyone knows what you're capable of and are interested in what you're doing. Take it with a grain of salt and who knows, maybe you'll pick up some useful info.

[Lordender]

i was krakening AV once and then he pwned me in the face twice with impact stream that stunned me for quite a bit, I think you would get fucked over if it picks this tp move to spam + it goes through shadows.

[Toth]

Well going off your guys website, that you did Tiamat/Aspid/Dynamis/Vrtra all during what is basically a holiday (Super Bowl Sunday) I think that Nynja's comment could be an accurate assessment

To be fair, not everyone likes football. Hurry up, spring training!

[Sady]

Supar Boul? Is that some sort of sporting event?

[psnsonixx]

Guy in my LS says its fake, he said same thing about the 6 Man Jorm fight, is there any way to prove to him that this video and the Jorm fight were not "fake videos?" He's very adamant that these people must be pathological liars and the best video editors out there. I of course know those fights happened and weren't fake.

Yeah, this video is awesome.

Sorry for late reply, but this guy in your ls is a f'n retard. I posted a bazillion screenshots of the 6 man jorm and just because he can't figure it out... yeah.. .

[Luke]

Heh, nice videos. I knew Kclub DRK was powerful, but never really saw more than 1 used at a time; that Vrtra movie was disgusting.

Hmm, what's the fewest that DL can be killed with if all dmg is Kclub DRK's? 12? lol >.>

[Cubana]

I'm willing to accept that there might have been some miscommunication with regard to Bloodweapon. What I'm not willing to accept is people trying to shit on our parade. Hey we might kill AV with this strat. Omg, why not be happy that the pioneering of such ideas and putting them into action can possibly be actualized through a LS who has burned other real mobs the same way?

The fact is you can't justifiably tell me that I'm wrong because everything we have stated has happened. We've toyed around with AV our fair share of hours.

Yes it's a theory, fine you got me. But if it works...
We'll keep you posted as things develop.

And about us playing the game so much... If that's a strenuous attempt to discredit any of the ideas presented... it's pretty pathetic.

Finally, the thing about me misspelling Rkenshin's name... How does that, in any way resemble a successful argument on your behalf?

[Retrieving/C.D/Searain]

I thought it was almost certain that AV has 100k hp, based on some old Benediction screenshots ?

Yeah I remember the first benediction SS at 48% for 52k

However, there was also a theory that it's HP was like Aspid... it regens but then it's max HP drops. I never saw much followup on that though, might not be true.

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/6117/avbenepm4.th.jpg

That's the first AV spawned on Garuda several months ago and his 8ish% Benediction which restored about 14k HP, hope this helps.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure that we never took it below 92% health points since GM started threatening of jailing us for using the Wall of Justice even though it was just shortly after the first victory on Hades or whatever and a bunch of other AV taken down on different servers with the same strategy lol. Who cares though.

[Jeryhn]

I'll give you guys a hint as to how we will take AV down unlocked. A mob cannot overlap 2hrs. Once one wears another one can be used but not before. How long do Hundred Fists and Mighty Strikes last? How powerful is a tactic of distraction?

I'm going to explain to you why you're retarded. Bear with me, as I'm sure the task of paying attention is likely to be as epic(?) a struggle as your mission to take down an unlocked AV.

The problem with relying on the strategy you listed is the fact that, while Two Hour abilities can't overlap, they usually introduce changes into the mob's AI that uses the ability. A good example: Manafont.

Ever fought a BLM mob that uses Manafont? Of course you have. Well, when a mob uses Manafont, they typically cast spells, as fast as they can. And non-stop. In fact, the only time when they stop casting is when they are silenced, stunned, or try to execute a TP attack.

Apply that reasoning to AV's Manafont now. Even if you somehow miraculously survived the first Meteor that's pretty much guaranteed when it activates Manafont, you're not surviving the next spell its going to throw down in half a second. Not to mention, Chainspell introduces the same AI-change in mobs, and while AV already casts spells at Chainspell-speed, you have to deal with them over and over and over again. And in both cases, you have to wait out the full duration of the Two Hour until you finally get a rest in between it's Two Hour use.

All-in-all, basically all you've said to us is: "hay guyz, this mob can either kill us in 3 seconds or in 30, let's bank on 30 and proove we ownzers teh BG forums!"

I mean, good job on being in Apathy and all, you guys are a great LS with great accomplishments, but the way you talk reminds me of a certain obsessive-narcissistic sash-weilding loon.

[Quicklet]

It's been used on CoP bosses since just weeks after it was released, but for the most part it's overkill on those bosses since their HP tends to be low. The Safehold boss is just about 100% useless and no one really cares about that anyway, it's nothing more than a title sadly.

From what I've read it's also been used as a strat on I believe the Zhalyom and Bhaflau boss several times, and I already know people in my LS have done/tried it... Really the idea of using a kraken DRK to kill things fast isn't a foreign concept, it's very common. I'm sure just about any mob in the game has been kraken DRKed at one point or another, including stuff like CoP Wyrms and Faf/Nid.

Oh, I was sure that it's been used on them, I was just curious if more of the newer content has meaningful counter-KC features such as stun resistance and AE disables or if it really hasn't mattered at all. Just wanted to clear that up.

The person who posted about trying it in Salvage was pretty informative, I'm just interested in whether or not ToAU content is being designed against being able to do this as effectively, though I don't really count the world HNMs to be hard enough to need an answer on their account.

[Beckwin]

What I'm not willing to accept is people trying to shit on our parade. Hey we might kill AV with this strat. Omg, why not be happy that the pioneering of such ideas and putting them into action can possibly be actualized through a LS who has burned other real mobs the same way?

The fact is you can't justifiably tell me that I'm wrong because everything we have stated has happened. We've toyed around with AV our fair share of hours.

Yes it's a theory, fine you got me. But if it works...

Anytime a theory is discussed there's gonna be criticisms. Just how it is. Doesn't mean they're trying to shit on your guys' parade; just means they see something they don't agree with in the theory.

[Cubana]

I'll give you guys a hint as to how we will take AV down unlocked. A mob cannot overlap 2hrs. Once one wears another one can be used but not before. How long do Hundred Fists and Mighty Strikes last? How powerful is a tactic of distraction?

I'm going to explain to you why you're retarded. Bear with me, as I'm sure the task of paying attention is likely to be as epic(?) a struggle as your mission to take down an unlocked AV.

The problem with relying on the strategy you listed is the fact that, while Two Hour abilities can't overlap, they usually introduce changes into the mob's AI that uses the ability. A good example: Manafont.

Ever fought a BLM mob that uses Manafont? Of course you have. Well, when a mob uses Manafont, they typically cast spells, as fast as they can. And non-stop. In fact, the only time when they stop casting is when they are silenced, stunned, or try to execute a TP attack.

Apply that reasoning to AV's Manafont now. Even if you somehow miraculously survived the first Meteor that's pretty much guaranteed when it activates Manafont, you're not surviving the next spell its going to throw down in half a second. Not to mention, Chainspell introduces the same AI-change in mobs, and while AV already casts spells at Chainspell-speed, you have to deal with them over and over and over again. And in both cases, you have to wait out the full duration of the Two Hour until you finally get a rest in between it's Two Hour use.

All-in-all, basically all you've said to us is: "hay guyz, this mob can either kill us in 3 seconds or in 30, let's bank on 30 and proove we ownzers teh BG forums!"

I mean, good job on being in Apathy and all, you guys are a great LS with great accomplishments, but the way you talk reminds me of a certain obsessive-narcissistic sash-weilding loon.

Did you read anything I have said in this thread? Where did I say we would be dealing with manafont and Chainspell?

You are believing what you want to believe and internalizing what you want to internalize regarding our strat. With all due respect, I can't help someone if they break the very first rule of argumentation : make sure you read and understand the opposing argument before responding with nonsense.

[Jeryhn]

Did you read anything I have said in this thread? Where did I say we would be dealing with manafont and Chainspell?

You are believing what you want to believe and internalizing what you want to internalize regarding our strat. With all due respect, I can't help someone if they break the very first rule of argumentation : make sure you read and understand the opposing argument before responding with nonsense.

I do understand the argument. You think you're guaranteed to kill it during Mighty Strikes or Hundred Fists.

I've also fought AV, and I know that it very well can use Manafont multiple times in a row if it wants to, and it doesn't have a set Two Hour order like Apocalyptic Beast in Buburimu. You're likely to deal with Manafont or Chainspell even if you do not want to.

Fact of the matter is, there are several problems with this strat, as outlined by the people who are naysaying against you.

[aers]

Apply that reasoning to AV's Manafont now. Even if you somehow miraculously survived the first Meteor that's pretty much guaranteed when it activates Manafont, you're not surviving the next spell its going to throw down in half a second. Not to mention, Chainspell introduces the same AI-change in mobs, and while AV already casts spells at Chainspell-speed, you have to deal with them over and over and over again. And in both cases, you have to wait out the full duration of the Two Hour until you finally get a rest in between it's Two Hour use.

i've seen them survive 2 meteors. the 3rd killed the last person alive, though! (3? aegis pld tanking, one got a shadow ring proc on 2nd meteor and lived where the other 3 died, this was a while ago). however that's pointless and doesn't add to the discussion.

terra I gave my account to a friend so I expect a PM when you guys get AV to pop so I can come watch, ok?

on the subject of killing AV in 30 seconds while it's got one of the weaker (speaking figuratively) 2-hrs up.. I don't see how it's possible to drop that much HP. AV's hp is wonky and I've definately seen benediction SS showing it at more then 100k before.

[Jeryhn]

i've seen them survive 2 meteors. the 3rd killed the last person alive, though! (3? aegis pld tanking, one got a shadow ring proc on 2nd meteor and lived where the other 3 died, this was a while ago).

By "survive", I mean the entire alliance, not just the tanks holding it. It's pretty unlikely that Kraken DRKs swill be surviving any single cast of Meteor with no Aegis or Shadow Rings.

[Priran]

Oh and also I'd like to add something that may create unnecessary drama but I feel needs to be said. Just because a person has a fully upgraded relic weapon and writes about his experiences in FF in a journal doesn't make him God.

Apathy has done all that jazz in rhykenshin's (sp?) live journal. We do it daily. And for the record Apathy has a relic holder who is actually mentally handicapped - go figure.

http://www.uploadfile.info/uploads/99aeb0712b.gif
That's perfect!

[aers]

i've seen them survive 2 meteors. the 3rd killed the last person alive, though! (3? aegis pld tanking, one got a shadow ring proc on 2nd meteor and lived where the other 3 died, this was a while ago).

By "survive", I mean the entire alliance, not just the tanks holding it. It's pretty unlikely that Kraken DRKs swill be surviving any single cast of Meteor with no Aegis or Shadow Rings.

i know. i was using the fact that the only people who lived through it were aegis and shadow ring paladins to make a point, but I forgot to..make the point. <_<

[Cubana]

I'm simply providing an ideal situation in which AV can be killed. With 12 drks or so, we should be able knock AV down pretty fast. Will it be 30 secs fast? Maybe 40 seconds? Who knows what AV will do with hundred fists or Mighty Strikes on while it's getting massive tp from KC drks. Noone knows because noone has tried it. It could turn out that we do kill it in 30 seconds and it doesn't have time to react.

So please explain to me how I'm so retarded. I'd really like to know how thoughtful and viable plans can be viewed with such hatred.

I apologize for my methods at times. I am very impulsive and can come off as being a dickhead. Regardless, I think this is all healthy brainstorming and that is, after all why I even brought the idea out on BG in the first place. I want insightful reactions, but what I won't have is mindless banter.

I proposed an ideal situation in which AV could be killed. Can we measure up to these standards? I don't know, we haven't tried yet, but we sure as hell can give it a run for its money the first time around. We can only learn from this experiment. Remember that.

[Zalius]

i think se should just stop being cocks and make a front page article about AV