30 Sec Baha v2 (didnt see this in the other thread)

[Dirian]

You guys from Apathy should seriously just stop posting.

If people didn't keep responding, there wouldn't be anything for us to say.

Apathy member>> Random vague strat here
Cool BG Forum lurker>> OMG THAT CAN'T WORK YOU ARE DUMB
Apathy member>> well, we don't know until we tryl
Other cool BH forum lurker>> You mispelled try
Apathy member>> I accidentally mistyped

ETC..... forever

Let me repeat (since apparently some people don't read all the posts OR can't read very well): WE CAN'T MAGICALLY MAKE AV POP. Or we'd be eating our words right now or posting a video.

I don't think anyone has any better ideas than what we have? And if so why is no one presenting them. People wanna complain we aren't sharing our whole strategy. No one else is rushing up with info.

Actually I read it this way.

OP>> Holy shit look at what these guys did
BG>> wow thats pretty tight
Cubana>> Yeah, we're gonna try an adaptation on AV. We're pretty sure its gonna work.
Several Different BG members>> well how do you expect to get around some of these issues(Ruke and Ryko especially)
Cubana>>well you don't know till you try it.
Ruke/Ryko>>right, but theres some pretty solid knowns. How do you get around them?
Cubana>> LOL do you even realize what a kraken drk is capable of?
BG>> Do you realize who the fuck you're talking to?
Cubana + Apathy members leaping to Cub's defense>> Should we fucking care? Just because you all worship a guy who writes a huge LJ doesn't mean he actually knows shit.
BG>> . . . Man yall are retarded
Apathy peeps >> NOUR
BG >> NOU
Ruke>> WTF? anyway I still want to know how you guys are going to get around some of these issues.
Apathy >> NOUR
BG>>NOU
Apathy>>NOU
5 pages later
Aurik >> shut the fuck up and do it
Apathy>> NOUSTFU. You're all gonna eat your words. We got mad skillz
BG>>Christ yall are arrogant
Apathy>> It aint bragging if you can back it up
Aurik>> so back it up
Apathy>>make us
BG>>You guys DO know that zerging isn't a skill
Apathy>>ZOMGSOMUCHMORETOITTHANTHAT, but hey don't worry we got it figured out.
BG>> and what is that
Apathy>>not gonna tell you.
Ryko>> Your mad skillz don't make cover/invincible last a minute
Apathy>>LOLhater
2 pages later
Nynjaa>>LOLHOLLOWEARRING


Sorry if I missed anyone, but thats more or less how I read the whole thing.


I'll conceed(how generous of me I know) that Apathy didn't start this thread, but if yall are so sure your plan is going to work, then stop posting until it does work and you can make us eat our words. If you're pissed at people offering criticisms to the vague abortion of a plan, saying "we've taken that into consideration" is kind of a copout. You've taken it into consideration in that you're aware that a Drk is going to get face planted in about 2 seconds from AV(about the amount of time it takes for one pld to disband, and another to /join /ja Cover <already dead drk>), or you've taken into consideration in that you actually have a way around it that you're sure will work?

If you don't want to tell anyone, and are so sure its going to work, then seriously shutup till you do it. The vid will be running regardless if you wipe so I hope you have the balls to post it if you fail miserably. If you're actually interested in perfecting your strat then tell people your plan so they can give some serious input, and the forums can be used for *gasp* discussion. Strange concept I know. You guys keep saying we're assuming you haven't taken stuff into account, but frankly you haven't given anyone any reason to assume you have. When someone offers some very real critique in an effort to try to understand what you're doing/help you do it, all you do is attack him for no reason I can see.(seriously, all the hating on ruke was pretty lame. Some thoughtful responses instead of being total dicks would have kept the thread pretty civil and possibly have made it productive to boot. I know Ruke doesn't have leveled Drk, or have a kclub, and hasn't killed AV before, but....oh wait nvm).


I've seen kclub drks taken to AV. When FM popped AV on carby, they tried to use 2 kclub drks and a blm zerg to get it down to 90% hoping it would lock at that point. They took about 9% off. Maybe you're correct in that it only has like 100k HP, but I think it has around double that, or maybe theres something to that regen bar thing.

Either way, from the incredibly vague hints you've posted on this thread, I can only guess that your strat looks something like this. I'm sure I haven't even begun to take into account everything you already have, and I certainly don't know all your resources, so feel free to correct any assumptions and make ME eat my own words.

Ok, the max number of drks you can have in an alliance while still having all of them covered is 9. I dunno if you guys plan to do this in two waves of drks(do you guys have 18 decently equipped drks? I mean kclubs can be traded, so as long as they all have good gear they CAN be staggered in. Like I said I dunno what your personel logistics look like). I'll assume for now you plan for those 9 drks to do all the dmg(which assumes AV has around 100k HP, and that all those drks will have the gear and support necessary to pull out over 11k dmg, maybe have a blm alliance standing by to nuke the last few% if necessary as backup).


So you'll have 3 parties that look like

3x drk, brd, brd, cor or some shit like that(double march, double madrigal, hunter's roll or some shit. All brd songs soulvoiced). Maybe have a thf in a party right before you engage to put feint on and disband.

Then have all the support guys disband and put plds in their place to cover > invincible each drk. Halfway through you'll need to swap out plds, which is going to be the most dangerous time of this rather chancy strat because there will be a few brief seconds where a drk is engaged without cover. You'll probably stagger the tradeouts somewhat so you have as few drks exposed as possible. If you lose a drk a huge chunk of your dmg goes. Dunno if you have backups. Either way your plds are going to have to be fucking quick as shit, but we'll assume you're ready for that with all the macros in place for a quick switch out.

Assuming 9 drks is enough dmg, and assuming you can do the pld switchout quickly, the only variable left to consider is the most opportune time to engage AV. If its in any mode where it can cast spells, you're pretty much fucked the second an AoE spell comes down the pipe(single target spells can be eaten by /nin at least).


If AV doesn't WS or cast magic during mighty strikes(I can't honestly remember if it does or not), then thats probably your best bet since Mighty Strikes is easily the weakest of his two hours if he's not WSing at all. Your drks can stand up for the brief seconds to normal melee strikes with /nin when the plds change out if its not also hundred fisting(if hundred fisting the danger becomes much increased that a drk will drop during the change out). If he does cast magic or WS during that time, you're probably fucked from the get go if he uses anything AOE whatsoever.

Alternatively you could do 6 drks/6 plds/6 brds in the alliance, switch out the 6 brds for plds and let the plds properly stagger cover with no gaps in coverage, which is safer for your drks, but Im pretty hairy on whether 6 drks is really enough myself. Yeah Drk+Kraken is A LOT of burst dmg, but AV also has ALOT of HP. Maybe start with 6 Drks, then when their souleaters are down, rotate 3-6 more drks+plds in to finish the job. Of course if you do that, theres no knowing what will happen what will happen when AV comes out of our assumed weakened MS/HF mode, so this version seems to create more problems than it solves, as a benediction, chainspell(and therefore meteor), manafont, or whatever at this point can pretty much butt fuck your whole day.

Keep in mind that MS/HF only last 45 seconds, so if AV isn't pretty much dead in that time, chances are he'll drop your drks with some AoE rape move that will probably kill your drks mid combat round(sans bloodweapon at this point) where they're likely to have 700ish HP at best, before the cure Vs that were being casted anyway land. Hope you have 18 blms standing outside AoE range ready to rush in and seal the deal if you have to.

Assuming all that is the hard part, then all you gotta do is engage AV with a team that can live long enough to get him to use the right two hour so your main alliance can engage without threat of insta cast -ga 4/meteor or
other various forms of AV rape(the great thing about AV is that he's so varied on how many ways he has to shove that javelin up your ass).

Your reaction time is going to need to be hella quick so you can take full advantage of that 45 second window, because the clock is ticking the second that the two hour is used. Dunno if you'll have time to soul voice your songs(might wanna have your brds keeping the songs up as their cast time comes up so you don't waste precious seconds buffing. Same with the whms keeping the drks hasted). All in all, it will probably take you at least 5 seconds from the time you see the 2 hour used to having all drks engaged. Maybe less, but better to err on the side of caution. So at best you're looking at doing 100k dmg in 40 seconds or there abouts.

Dunno how close that was to your guys' strat. Since I'm sure I'm speculating on what amount to state secrets I'm pretty sure you guys won't tell me where I'm wrong, though others may feel free to point out what will go wrong with what I outlined above(and I'm sure theres a fucking lot that can go wrong still). I may be way off base, but based on what little I can tell from your LS resources, and the vague hints you've given, thats all I can think to do.


BTW, kraken drk x alot isn't really thinking outside the box per se. Theres probably not an endgame player out there who hasn't joked at least once about just getting a bunch of kraken drks to zerg mob x. The inevitable retort to the joke is "yeah sure, but where are you going to find that many kraken drks". I credit your guys' resources in getting that many people to level drk, and getting them all equipped with kclubs though. Thats certainly a credit to your logistics team if nothing else.

[terraflarex]

this topic is retarded

[Plow]

Ruke I think the thing with the hp is that they believe they know how to get it to lower amounts of hp, like the thing where it bene'd from 8% for 14k.

Honestly if they do have that figured out, I can't imagine how you could possibly lose to anything with 20k hp if you have enough kraken drk and an opportunity to get them a few seconds to attack. (I.E. AV pops hundred fists pally uses invincible, 10 seconds later gg, given the low hp)

[Jiade]

Um...isnt that sort of the point of the whole thread? To stop pretending you're better then everyone and actually go out and beat AV, instead of just saying how its GOING to work?

Have you fought anything aside from sky gods and Gration? LOL

PS: Hakutaku doesn't count.

We also have a strategy for all the mages to live through Meteor and it is more than "stay away." lol

[Delekii]

Why is this different to any other of the last 15 threads about AV now? Apathy's access to Kraken DRKs aside, they are limited by the same things that everyone else is. If you arent going to share the idea, shut the fuck up and go away, because chances are that you aren't the first to think of it, its just that no-one else is arrogant enough to think it is important enough to brag about, without TALKING about, before you even try it. People in Kupo have ideas about how to handle AV too, do you see 20 page drama threads of us boasting over something we havent actually fucking done yet?

Unless you are posting for input, or posting to say that you won, no-one cares.

[Mattthemaster]

Um...isnt that sort of the point of the whole thread? To stop pretending you're better then everyone and actually go out and beat AV, instead of just saying how its GOING to work?

Have you fought anything aside from sky gods and Gration? LOL

PS: Hakutaku doesn't count.

We also have a strategy for all the mages to live through Meteor and it is more than "stay away." lol

Yes. And please say your strat is using barfire.

[Nystul]

Um...isnt that sort of the point of the whole thread? To stop pretending you're better then everyone and actually go out and beat AV, instead of just saying how its GOING to work?

Have you fought anything aside from sky gods and Gration? LOL

PS: Hakutaku doesn't count.

We also have a strategy for all the mages to live through Meteor and it is more than "stay away." lol

Yes. And please say your strat is using barfire.

Allow me to take a stab at it-
blm parties will be blm, blm, blm, whm, blu, smn.

The job of the blm is to gear fire resist top to bottom. Blus spam diamond hide. Smn keeps up that diabalos MAB/MDB thing, whm keeps shell/barfire up. Whopteefuck.

Anyway like...I know the rumor is that AV doesn't so much have regen as it's hp lowers over time. Ok. If there is something that triggers this then you could concievably trigger the effect and wait for the mob to go to a low enough HP state that it would be easier to kill (perhapswyvern deaths lower it's hp? Perhaps it's simply continual). Ok fine.

The question then becomes this:

Now that no one likes you, how on earth do you expect to stall the mob to drop it's hp down without someone calling a GM for stalling a mob and jailing anyone that tries to stick it at the trail markings? Shit on my server people call a GM if it takes mroe than 30 seconds to engage a mob.

[Jiade]

The job of the blm is to gear fire resist top to bottom. Blus spam diamond hide. Smn keeps up that diabalos MAB/MDB thing, whm keeps shell/barfire up. Whopteefuck.

That would be incorrect.

Now that no one likes you, how on earth do you expect to stall the mob to drop it's hp down without someone calling a GM for stalling a mob and jailing anyone that tries to stick it at the trail markings? Shit on my server people call a GM if it takes mroe than 30 seconds to engage a mob.

That's where the rest of the strategy comes into play. If your alliance isn't wiping to every Manafont, it isn't very hard to hold. Tanks can live through Meteor... it is everyone else that doesn't.

PS:

Yes. And please say your strat is using barfire.

Simurgh doesn't count either. LOL

[Senoska]

Sorry this is a page or two late but srsly its gotta be said.

you thinking "Outside of the box"[aka fucking ridiculous stupid unbelievably dumb noob ideas] ->
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/4...llanoobwf4.jpg
Srsly, go.

[NynJa]

I hate to break it to you buddy...but this will only reinforce the notion that Apathy doesnt know shit about the game other than "ZERGRUSH KEKEKEKEKEKEKEKE ^_______________^"


METEOR IS NON-ELEMENTAL DAMAGE SO BARFIRA WONT DO A GOD DAMN THING
And if there is an element to it, it would most likely be tied to light (Carbuncle does Meteorite).

[Nystul]

The job of the blm is to gear fire resist top to bottom. Blus spam diamond hide. Smn keeps up that diabalos MAB/MDB thing, whm keeps shell/barfire up. Whopteefuck.

That would be incorrect.

[quote:82b12]Now that no one likes you, how on earth do you expect to stall the mob to drop it's hp down without someone calling a GM for stalling a mob and jailing anyone that tries to stick it at the trail markings? Shit on my server people call a GM if it takes mroe than 30 seconds to engage a mob.

That's where the rest of the strategy comes into play. If your alliance isn't wiping to every Manafont, it isn't very hard to hold. Tanks can live through Meteor... it is everyone else that doesn't.[/quote:82b12]


You're a total sack of shit loser unless you actually discuss what the strategy is. Until then, we're all just going to keep calling you a bunch of losers and you're going to do that supervillan that thinks he has the hero by the balls smug laugh thing.

Put up or shut up.

And I took my anti-kryptonite pills already, so WHAT NOW?

[Fide]

Go go Light Carol LOL!(being sarcastic!)

[Not Kuno]

omg I figured it out put a pld in every party and do rampart/stoneskin/diabolos MDB/shell5.

[Nystul]

omg I figured it out put a pld in every party and do rampart/stoneskin/diabolos MDB/shell5.

clearly you haxed their forums for this information.

[Blackice]

omg I figured it out put a pld in every party and do rampart/stoneskin/diabolos MDB/shell5.

Rampart and Stoneskin don't stack Kuno (unless I missed your internet sarcasm in which case I feel dumb now)

[Mattthemaster]

The job of the blm is to gear fire resist top to bottom. Blus spam diamond hide. Smn keeps up that diabalos MAB/MDB thing, whm keeps shell/barfire up. Whopteefuck.

That would be incorrect.

[quote:91388]Now that no one likes you, how on earth do you expect to stall the mob to drop it's hp down without someone calling a GM for stalling a mob and jailing anyone that tries to stick it at the trail markings? Shit on my server people call a GM if it takes mroe than 30 seconds to engage a mob.

That's where the rest of the strategy comes into play. If your alliance isn't wiping to every Manafont, it isn't very hard to hold. Tanks can live through Meteor... it is everyone else that doesn't.

PS:

Yes. And please say your strat is using barfire.

Simurgh doesn't count either. LOL[/quote:91388]

Dont believe I've ever seen Simurgh. But while on that topic, I love how no one even tries to refute the things I say about apathy. Getting any real monsters killed on Remora requires you be in one of 3-4 LS, and one of those wipes to fafnir and adamantoise and another is near to breaking.
So instead of insulting me for what I have or haven't done, try actually making valid points. I'll give you an easy one to start with. Was Sinus (apathy leader for those who dont know) really banned, then had it overturned? He was gone for weeks, you made a whole new LS, and I heard someone even made a mule named Sinus. It would make sense, since you guys have botted for 1.5+ years, but just wanted to hear your excuse.

[terraflarex]

The job of the blm is to gear fire resist top to bottom. Blus spam diamond hide. Smn keeps up that diabalos MAB/MDB thing, whm keeps shell/barfire up. Whopteefuck.

That would be incorrect.

[quote:947c6]Now that no one likes you, how on earth do you expect to stall the mob to drop it's hp down without someone calling a GM for stalling a mob and jailing anyone that tries to stick it at the trail markings? Shit on my server people call a GM if it takes mroe than 30 seconds to engage a mob.

That's where the rest of the strategy comes into play. If your alliance isn't wiping to every Manafont, it isn't very hard to hold. Tanks can live through Meteor... it is everyone else that doesn't.

PS:

[quote:947c6]Yes. And please say your strat is using barfire.

Simurgh doesn't count either. LOL[/quote:947c6]

Dont believe I've ever seen Simurgh. But while on that topic, I love how no one even tries to refute the things I say about apathy. Getting any real monsters killed on Remora requires you be in one of 3-4 LS, and one of those wipes to fafnir and adamantoise and another is near to breaking.
So instead of insulting me for what I have or haven't done, try actually making valid points. I'll give you an easy one to start with. Was Sinus (apathy leader for those who dont know) really banned, then had it overturned? He was gone for weeks, you made a whole new LS, and I heard someone even made a mule named Sinus. It would make sense, since you guys have botted for 1.5+ years, but just wanted to hear your excuse.[/quote:947c6]

I really lol'ed irl when you said banned. People speculate about things they have no knowledge about, and it is truly funny. While I try to respect what everyone has to say on forums, I just can't find the effort to respect your comments. Please refrain from making things up. You honestly do not belong on this section of the forums seeing as your HNM experience is limited to Kirin and lesser gods; watching other LSes fight HNMs does not qualify as experience for you sadly. This isn't even meant as an insult, it's just plain facts.

P.S. - lolbanned. I needed a good laugh (boring day) thanks.

[safer]

see the problem is... no one CARES if you're the first people to kill non-locked AV...

you remind me of a certain linkshell on my server who accomplished EVERYTHING first... even if they really didnt because other linkshells did the same thing but they'd discredit it by arguing over symantics, claiming it wasnt a 'true kill'

this is what you should do if you're so concerned about your ego... lay out your strategy in full for everyone to see and if anyone uses it, you can claim it was your idea and that you should(and will) receive credit for it because you thought of it first...

you say you guys want AV discussion, but wont reveal any part of your super secret strategy for us to discuss
/confused

[Not Kuno]

omg I figured it out put a pld in every party and do rampart/stoneskin/diabolos MDB/shell5.

Rampart and Stoneskin don't stack Kuno (unless I missed your internet sarcasm in which case I feel dumb now)

It was a joke I just put together every MDB thing I could think of (though looking back I forgot blu roll). I didn't actually know that they don't stack because I'm not a pld. Rate up.

[NynJa]

I hate to say it...but kraken zerging something is about as close to a 'true kill' as ganking and killing a HNM at 5% is.