30 Sec Baha v2 (didnt see this in the other thread)

[Cubana]

Ok good, now find me proof of an unbound mob using tp or mp during HF or MS like I originally asked. Would be helpful.

WAH WAH OUR THEORY IS BROKEN AND INSTEAD OF TAKING IT LIKE A MAN WERE GOING TO GO OUT LIKE A BITCH AND SAY OUR THEORY IS STILL VALID WAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HH
*cue Joee's huge animated emoticon*

Ok let me make it more clear then. There is no evidence that unbound mobs use tp or mp during HF or MS because they don't. If you scroll back a few pages you will read that I originally asked for info about MS and HF, not CS. The fact that people decided to interpret CS when I said HF or MS is just bad reading comprehension.

I swear to god, next person who uses the term "reading comprehension" in an attempt to insult gets a kick in the balls. Jesus christ, it's not even really using the term properly to begin with. Misunderstanding? I mean you use it to try to insult one's intelligence and honestly it just makes you look like a sniveling douche.

http://www.ed.gov/teachers/how/tools/in ... de006.html
I mean seriously... "Misunderstanding?" How hard is it to misunderstand "I would like proof that mobs don't use tp or mp during HF or MS?" How much simpler could I have put it? And my comment wasn't meant as an insult, it was just a statement of fact. If I wanted to mildly insult someone I'd say you are the kind of person who likes to nonsensically chime in to attempt to correct someone on their grammar usage when, in fact, there was nothing wrong with it to begin with, and then just throw out "douche" at the end. Wait... nope that was just a fact as well.

[Nystul]

Oh christ come off it, it's a tactic to gain intillectual superiority. Yes, you asked in one post way back about during HF or MS, but it was broadened to do they do anything during 2hr, and there was much discussion about chainspell during the thread as well. You'd have to be a total retard to chalk it up to "reading comprehension" because then you would be saying that Sheumue READ your post, and because of poor literacy could not understand the words as posted. Do you really think that is the case? Give me a break. You and your little assclown cronies have had an elitist chip on your shoulders from the first minute that you didn't get e-blowjobs over your SUPER FANTASTIC AWESOME TIME ZERG STRATEGY.

Jesus fuck on a stick I imagine you sitting at your computer, pausing to type only to push up your glasses. I beat you talk with a fucking retainer induced lisp. "OMG dudes, thish Nyshtul guys LOLS I'm gunna pwnerz him. He'sh a total cretin." '

It wouldn't bother me as much if you were the least bit clever and subtle about it but it's just so obvious and boring. Christ your comeback insult was fucking stock. I mean, factory sealed for reproducable freshness. "No wait, YOU DID!" wow, good zinger there, fella. You called what I said nonsense and then danced around calling me stupid. Kudos. Is anyone from your merry band of self important supernerds going to bring anything interesting to the table? I figure all you've got left is to run the table of the "go get laid, you live with your mom, you're gay" trilogy of internet cliches before you run the well dry.

[Cubana]

Point is I asked X and Shuemue interpreted it as Y and arrived at conclusion Z. CS is irrelevant to the discussion because it is irrelevant to the plan. End of story. Now, if you want to turn this into hypothetical personal attacks when you know nothing about my personal life then that's fine. Project all you want. But, after that's said and done what's left? I'll tell you what's left - you coming forth as substance-less defender of these boards. Congratulations! You are the winner.

Now can you show me evidence of any mob in the game which uses tp or mp during HF or MS? <---- is an honest reiterated question (not an attack!) If no one can show proof of that, wouldn't that window be a feasible weakness of AV's? One which burst dmg (if enough) could theoretically kill AV? I mean seriously Nystul, if this idea is at all complicated or could be misconstrued, please tell me. Hell, I even ran the idea by someone who doesn't even play this game and they didn't "misunderstand" me.

[Ploid]

Can't wait til you guys pop AV. Looking forward to that more than the chocobo/besieged/z update whenever that is.

[Cubana]

Yea we're working on it. Just have a few more DRKs getting closer to 75, then we'll use all our pops one weekend and hope for AV. Been sort of hesitant since we only have 8 or so fully equipped DRKs atm. Like 6 DRKs getting to 75 soon. We'll see how it goes. 14 DRKs sounds like a good number for the attempt.

[Nystul]

I'd call into question your reading comprehension skills but, as is the case when you used the term, I don't believe it is your capacity to read and understand the words that is the issue. I believe the problem is that you selectively ignore what other people say in order to simplify your response into something that you believe portrays you as clever and intillectually superior to the person to which you are adressing your response.

Allow me to state again that while you did specifically say MS and HF, others repeatedly discussed CS, and sheumue simply responded saying that, at least in a general sense, mobs can use moves during their 2hr. It wasn't the one you specifically wanted but at least it was in fact something relevant to what was being discussed by others, if not you. Now, you can insult his "reading comprehension" skills, but thats kind of like saying the person who mistypes "the" as "teh" is illiterate. Calling into question reading comprehension is using big words to say "I don't think you can read" which is basically you trying to prop yourself onto a pedestal by virtue of cutting down those around you.

Were you that kid in math class that laughed and looked down your nose at the kid who accidentally forgot to carry the 1? An honest mistake, my dear little shitbag, is not the same thing as a fundamental inability to perform the task at hand. You can defend your position all you want but it still stands that you're just butthurt because everyone didn't fall in love with you and fawn all over you because of your strategy.

Can I provide evidence? No. One person provided evidence that during an extended 2hr, mobs will do something other than take advantage of their 2hr's abilities. As for AV, a mob that as we can all agree does not exhibit standard xp mob behaviors, or even standard NM behaviors, obviously it's anything but concrete evidence. You'll just have to pop it and find out. It's still a zerg strategy, and it's cute I suppose. But it is, to me at least, entirely uninteresting because it exploits a damage output that perhaps no more than 10 shells across all servers can put forth. I suspect SE has some sort of way in mind to beat AV, and I doubt their idea involved 10 kraken darks. I'll be far more interested when someone kills this thing with a more balanced attack (as has been the case for every other mob in the game).

[Cubana]

I'd call into question your reading comprehension skills but, as is the case when you used the term, I don't believe it is your capacity to read and understand the words that is the issue. I believe the problem is that you selectively ignore what other people say in order to simplify your response into something that you believe portrays you as clever and intillectually superior to the person to which you are adressing your response.

Allow me to state again that while you did specifically say MS and HF, others repeatedly discussed CS, and sheumue simply responded saying that, at least in a general sense, mobs can use moves during their 2hr. It wasn't the one you specifically wanted but at least it was in fact something relevant to what was being discussed by others, if not you. Now, you can insult his "reading comprehension" skills, but thats kind of like saying the person who mistypes "the" as "teh" is illiterate. Calling into question reading comprehension is using big words to say "I don't think you can read" which is basically you trying to prop yourself onto a pedestal by virtue of cutting down those around you.

Were you that kid in math class that laughed and looked down your nose at the kid who accidentally forgot to carry the 1? An honest mistake, my dear little shitbag, is not the same thing as a fundamental inability to perform the task at hand. You can defend your position all you want but it still stands that you're just butthurt because everyone didn't fall in love with you and fawn all over you because of your strategy.

Can I provide evidence? No. One person provided evidence that during an extended 2hr, mobs will do something other than take advantage of their 2hr's abilities. As for AV, a mob that as we can all agree does not exhibit standard xp mob behaviors, or even standard NM behaviors, obviously it's anything but concrete evidence. You'll just have to pop it and find out. It's still a zerg strategy, and it's cute I suppose. But it is, to me at least, entirely uninteresting because it exploits a damage output that perhaps no more than 10 shells across all servers can put forth. I suspect SE has some sort of way in mind to beat AV, and I doubt their idea involved 10 kraken darks. I'll be far more interested when someone kills this thing with a more balanced attack (as has been the case for every other mob in the game).

Starting from the bottom up. Who gives a shit what SE intended in how a mob should be killed? As long as we don't get it glitched somehow, who cares? Wait did I ask that? I guess people like you do care. About the dmg exploit... you serious dude lol? Just b/c only 10 LS's across servers have the dmg output resources doesn't mean the plan isn't viable.

Oh and the first thing you said about intellectual superiority... I probably shouldn't even touch the subject but... learn how to spell in a sentence used to insult someone's intellectual capacity... that might be best achieved if you weren't banging your keyboard pissed off about stuff while you're typing... get a grip dude... you were the one who blew the whole reading comprehension thing out of proportion lol. It was just a statement concerning a response to my original inquiry. No need to get hot and heavy.

Go sit down and chill with a cool cup of Mountain Dew
XTREEEEEEEMEEE

[Ryko]

Technically the line you underlined and bolded made no attempt to insult your intellect, but rather was stated to point out that you're a fucking tryhard at boasting your own.

Carry on.

[Amadeo]

Die in a fire Cubana, a big grizzly fire.

[yoyo]

Yea we're working on it. Just have a few more DRKs getting closer to 75, then we'll use all our pops one weekend and hope for AV. Been sort of hesitant since we only have 8 or so fully equipped DRKs atm. Like 6 DRKs getting to 75 soon. We'll see how it goes. 14 DRKs sounds like a good number for the attempt.

14 DRK >< are they getting all KC too >< bcz 14 DRK with KC it's not even fair, just give up FF haha.

Member#1 > Tiamat POP
Officer > ok let's do it we have 15 DRK in LS now

after 15 min gathering!

Officer > Ready to start ?

30 sec later.

Tiamat Dead.

LOL

gogo Zerg Kill all HNM in 1 day yay!

would be really funny ><

[Cubana]

Die in a fire Cubana, a big grizzly fire.

lol sarcasm aside that was pretty funny

Edit:

Yea we're working on it. Just have a few more DRKs getting closer to 75, then we'll use all our pops one weekend and hope for AV. Been sort of hesitant since we only have 8 or so fully equipped DRKs atm. Like 6 DRKs getting to 75 soon. We'll see how it goes. 14 DRKs sounds like a good number for the attempt.

14 DRK >< are they getting all KC too >< bcz 14 DRK with KC it's not even fair, just give up FF haha.

Member#1 > Tiamat POP
Officer > ok let's do it we have 15 DRK in LS now

after 15 min gathering!

Officer > Ready to start ?

30 sec later.

Tiamat Dead.

LOL

gogo Zerg Kill all HNM in 1 day yay!

would be really funny ><

That would be cool except Tiamat flies after a certain amount of dmg :/
We have thought about it though.

[Nystul]

I'd call into question your reading comprehension skills but, as is the case when you used the term, I don't believe it is your capacity to read and understand the words that is the issue. I believe the problem is that you selectively ignore what other people say in order to simplify your response into something that you believe portrays you as clever and intillectually superior to the person to which you are adressing your response.

Allow me to state again that while you did specifically say MS and HF, others repeatedly discussed CS, and sheumue simply responded saying that, at least in a general sense, mobs can use moves during their 2hr. It wasn't the one you specifically wanted but at least it was in fact something relevant to what was being discussed by others, if not you. Now, you can insult his "reading comprehension" skills, but thats kind of like saying the person who mistypes "the" as "teh" is illiterate. Calling into question reading comprehension is using big words to say "I don't think you can read" which is basically you trying to prop yourself onto a pedestal by virtue of cutting down those around you.

Were you that kid in math class that laughed and looked down your nose at the kid who accidentally forgot to carry the 1? An honest mistake, my dear little shitbag, is not the same thing as a fundamental inability to perform the task at hand. You can defend your position all you want but it still stands that you're just butthurt because everyone didn't fall in love with you and fawn all over you because of your strategy.

Can I provide evidence? No. One person provided evidence that during an extended 2hr, mobs will do something other than take advantage of their 2hr's abilities. As for AV, a mob that as we can all agree does not exhibit standard xp mob behaviors, or even standard NM behaviors, obviously it's anything but concrete evidence. You'll just have to pop it and find out. It's still a zerg strategy, and it's cute I suppose. But it is, to me at least, entirely uninteresting because it exploits a damage output that perhaps no more than 10 shells across all servers can put forth. I suspect SE has some sort of way in mind to beat AV, and I doubt their idea involved 10 kraken darks. I'll be far more interested when someone kills this thing with a more balanced attack (as has been the case for every other mob in the game).

Starting from the bottom up. Who gives a shit what SE intended in how a mob should be killed? As long as we don't get it glitched somehow, who cares? Wait did I ask that? I guess people like you do care. About the dmg exploit... you serious dude lol? Just b/c only 10 LS's across servers have the dmg output resources doesn't mean the plan isn't viable.

Oh and the first thing you said about intellectual superiority... I probably shouldn't even touch the subject but... learn how to spell in a sentence used to insult someone's intellectual capacity... that might be best achieved if you weren't banging your keyboard pissed off about stuff while you're typing... get a grip dude... you were the one who blew the whole reading comprehension thing out of proportion lol. It was just a statement concerning a response to my original inquiry. No need to get hot and heavy.

Go sit down and chill with a cool cup of Mountain Dew
XTREEEEEEEMEEE

Oh christ how could I possibly have forgotten the "lol dude chill out it's only a game" approach. Silly me. Whatever, if you want to try to play it up like I'm raving- which, I would think anyone with any sense could see that I'm hardly "worked up" or whatever- so be it. I made a pretty rational argument (twice!) to which you didn't bother to respond because...I'm right and we both know it. You duck out saying it's not a big deal and all that, fine. I did't "blow it out of proportion." I said it's a tired, lame as fuck little power ploy and people that use it are tired and lame as fuck. You're on the same level as the people that cry "OMG FIRST AMMENDMENT" when a forum post gets deleted because they don't understand what the fuck they are talking about. It's silly, and it's a statement that isn't applicable because it's a hyperbole used to make a cut at someone.

It doesn't surprise me that you take this route because you and your crew have been snot-nosed brats since post 1 in the thread. I just find it really lame.

As for my personal opinion of why I'm uninterested in your strat well, again I think you made...lets say an honest mistake in your reading of my statements. Did I say it wasn't viable? Perhaps you don't understand what that word means. What I said was that it was uninteresting to me because I am more interested in a strategy that works using a balanced setup. Considering every other mob in the game is killable as such, one would assume that SE didn't have 14 kraken darks in mind. Can it be done? Perhaps. I'm not saying anything to that end. My point is that there *must* be some way to kill the mob that the majority of linkshells can put into action, and *that* strategy is interesting to me. I don't care if you kill it using your strategy. If you do, fucking go nuts. But it doesn't really mean much in my opinion because it is a highly specialized setup. The strategy in itself simply isn't useful. I made no statements as to the validity of the kill- if the mob dies then well, you killed it right? I don't care if it's glitched or not. I've said this back when people were glitching it etc. All I said was that I personally wanted to know how SE intended it to be killed. I assume there is some sort of gimmick that they have set up. I'd just like to know what it is.

[Isildur]

........wow this is getting out of control

[Linsivi]

I always had a theory that AV getting locked had something to do with Meikyo Shisui messing up, thus not allowing TP moves or TP gain... or something. It would go hand in hand with not being able to case during a 2 hour if that indeed was the case.

Yea we're working on it. Just have a few more DRKs getting closer to 75, then we'll use all our pops one weekend and hope for AV. Been sort of hesitant since we only have 8 or so fully equipped DRKs atm. Like 6 DRKs getting to 75 soon. We'll see how it goes. 14 DRKs sounds like a good number for the attempt.

14 DRK >< are they getting all KC too >< bcz 14 DRK with KC it's not even fair, just give up FF haha.

Member#1 > Tiamat POP
Officer > ok let's do it we have 15 DRK in LS now

after 15 min gathering!

Officer > Ready to start ?

30 sec later.

Tiamat Dead.

LOL

gogo Zerg Kill all HNM in 1 day yay!

would be really funny ><

Please stop posting, the collective intelligence of this forum is going down by the post.

[Cubana]

Why don't you explain what you're "right" about instead of just saying we both know it. Sorry if you tried to explain something in the middle of kindergarten personal attack time and I'm terribly sorry if I don't take you seriously when half your post is (insert fucking retarded rl assumption here.) I tend to skim through parts of your posts because they're vulgar and unintelligible. Resorting to yelling obscenities is a pretty clear indication that someone is getting worked up. Would you like to restate your point?

About the whole reading comprehension bit. Yes, you blew it totally out of proportion. The whole discussion about 2hrs stemmed from my question about HF and MS. I asked for feedback and all I got was a chainspell discussion. Now, if you fail to see how that's a reading comprehension error I don't know what to tell you. You are pretty presumptuous about people's motives and you should check that.

At any rate, going back to the actual discussion (enough of the nonsense seriously,) the reason I asked about HF and CS is because I've never seen a mob use tp or mp during those 2hrs and I was wondering if anyone has. I have witnessed tp usage during CS but again that's irrelevant to the plan. Making a blanket statement based on what mobs do during CS and apply it to all other 2hrs is ridiculous.

[Nystul]

I restated my point a few times. Not once have you responded to any of the poitns I've made, chosing rather to pick at spelling mistakes or wind yourself up because I said your strat was uninteresting. I've lost count the number of times you've shown a distinct inability to read anything that is written. I think each and every post I've made is more than clear enough to be followed by anyone with any basic junior high education.

I don't much see the point in restating again because you'll just pass anything I say off as "unintelligible ramblings" or whatever because you don't want to actually read what is there. Not my problem. I could write 10 paragraphs of simple and polite strategy and end with "you're also a dick" and the last line is the only thing you'd choose to respond to.

All I originally said was that you were being antagonistic, and you, god knows why, continue to try to deny that. So I figured I'd be antagonistic as well. It's pretty damned annoying isn't it?

[Shuemue]

Where did I say, "Hey Cubana, here's that research you asked for."?

I was responding to the general discussion that stemmed from an issue you'd raised.

[Nystul]

Where did I say, "Hey Cubana, here's that research you asked for."?

I was responding to the general discussion that stemmed from an issue you'd raised.

Perhaps it was just a reading comprehension problem...

[Shuemue]

Where did I say, "Hey Cubana, here's that research you asked for."?

I was responding to the general discussion that stemmed from an issue you'd raised.

Perhaps it was just a reading comprehension problem...

I smirked.

[Zalius]

Where did I say, "Hey Cubana, here's that research you asked for."?

I was responding to the general discussion that stemmed from an issue you'd raised.

Perhaps it was just a reading comprehension problem...

I smirked.

i never noticed what rosey cheeks you have